WE CAN. YOU CAN. OKAY. GOOD. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, THE MAYOR WILL CALL TO ORDER THE 
          [1. CALL TO ORDER]
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REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR 6 P.M. TUESDAY, OCTOBER THE 20TH OF 2026. CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 201 EAST NASH STREET IN TERRELL, TEXAS. WE HAVE ON THE DAIS WITH US THIS EVENING. 
          DISTRICT TWO OR MAYOR PRO TEM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, DISTRICT THREE. JORGE VARGAS. WE HAVE OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM FROM DISTRICT FOUR, STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS AND REMOTE. WE HAVE PHIL ROBINSON FROM DISTRICT FIVE ALSO HAVE OUR CITY MANAGER OR LEGAL COUNSEL. SO WE HAVE A QUORUM. WE WILL CONTINUE WITH OUR MEETING. AT THIS TIME. I'LL ASK EVERYONE TO PLEASE STAND FOR INVOCATION. WOULD PASTOR OUR MINISTER, GREG RUTHERFORD, COME UP FROM FIRST CHRISTIAN CHURCH? PLEASE STAND. REMAIN STANDING FOR PLEDGES REAL QUICKLY. I HAVE AN INVITE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL ON BEHALF OF THE TERRELL MINISTRY ALLIANCE AND THE TERRELL MINISTER UNION, WE INVITE YOU TO COME AND ATTEND THE ANNUAL CAROL ALL CITY THANKSGIVING SERVICES, WHICH WILL BE ON NOVEMBER THE 22ND AT BETHLEHEM BAPTIST AT 6 P.M. REVEREND JERRY JONES WILL BE BRINGING THE MESSAGE, AND THE MAYOR IS INVITED FOR. AND THE MAYOR, THE CHIEF OF POLICE IS INVITED TO BRING REMARKS. SO WE HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL THERE. THANK YOU. LET US PRAY. GOD, YOU PUT US ON THIS PLANET TO WORK, TO LIFT UP AND TO HEAL, TO DO THE WORK THAT YOU CALL US HERE TO DO. AND SO ON THIS EVENING, WE BLESS THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THE MEMBERS OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, OUR TEACHERS, ALL THOSE WHO WORK IN SILENCE AND IN PUBLIC TO MAKE THE LIFE BETTER OF OUR CITIZENS AND OUR AND OUR COMMUNITY. SO WE ASK THAT THIS MEETING BE BLESSED BY YOUR WORK, THAT ALL WE DO BE APPROPRIATE AND ACCURATE. WE ASK THAT YOU BLESS EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON HERE, BE WITH THE CITY AND THIS COUNTY AND THE STATE AS WE MOVE THROUGH ELECTIONS THIS YEAR AND BE WITH US. IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. AMEN. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE FACTS OF. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO TEXAS ONE DAY UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH US AND GETTING US STARTED TODAY. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW REFRESHING IT IS FOR THE MAYOR AND FOR THE COUNCIL TO START OFF WITH PRAYER. MAN OF GOD, WE APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU DO, YOUR CONGREGATION DOES FOR THE CITY OF TERRELL, NOT JUST NOW, BUT IN THE PAST OF CAROL WRIGHT, A LOT OF HISTORY THERE. SO THANK YOU. 150 YEARS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HERE'S A CHALLENGE GOING FROM THE MAYOR. THANK YOU. 
          AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU. AND ON THANKSGIVING. THANKSGIVING. YES. BEFORE THANKSGIVING. 
          [2. MAYOR AND COUNCIL COMMUNITY RECOGNITION AND EVENTS]
ALL RIGHT. NEXT ON THE AGENDA, OUR MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY RECOGNITIONS AND EVENTS COUNCIL. WE HAVE LOOKS LIKE BIG GROUP WITH US TODAY. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE RECOGNIZED THEM SHORTLY. BUT WHILE I HAVE THEM AND I HAVE THE AUDIENCE, I'M GOING TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THEM TO PLEASE BE INVOLVED IN OUR CITY. IF THERE IS A BOARD THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, I THINK YOU CAN GO ONLINE AND FILL OUT AN APPLICATION. THAT WAY, THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL CAN CERTAINLY CONSIDER YOU FOR ALL OF OUR BOARDS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE CITY. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMUNITY RECOGNITIONS AT THIS TIME FROM ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS? OH I DO. OKAY. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE UTILITY CREWS UNDER BERNESE LEADERSHIP AND OUR NEW PUBLIC WORKS. PLEASE CONVEY TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING 24 OVER SEVEN TO REPAIR THE PIPES THAT THE EARTH HAS DECIDED. THEY 
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DON'T WANT THEIR. THEY'VE WORKED LONG HOURS, THEY'VE MISSED FAMILY TIME, AND I WANT THEM TO KNOW I SEE THEM AND I APPRECIATE WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THANK YOU. I ALSO WANT TO SAY I ATTENDED THE AUCTION THIS PAST SATURDAY. IT WAS MY FIRST. AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT VOLUNTEERED. AND THERE IS A LOT. BUT I WANT TO SAY. THANK YOU TO BITTNER KE AND YOUR CREWS IN THE BROWN SHIRTS. THERE WAS ALSO SOME PEOPLE FROM MY GRADUATING CLASS FROM KAUFMAN COUNTY LEADERSHIP. THANK YOU. WHILE ALLISON AND DINA AND ANGIE AND PEYTON WORKED THIS EVENT, THAT WAS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF COMMUNITY CITY PARTNERSHIP. AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, CHIEF, TO YOUR TWO POLICE OFFICERS THAT WERE THERE, THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY HAD SOMETHING TO EAT, BUT THEY WERE THERE TO PROTECT US. IT WAS A WONDERFUL TIME. AND THEN ONE MORE EVENT. I'VE BEEN BUSY. FLOW WRITING AT HER LAST BREAST CANCER AWARENESS T THIS PAST SUNDAY, AND IT WAS WELL ATTENDED AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. I THINK THAT'S THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN. ANYONE ELSE? I JUST LIKE TO SAY ONE THING. COUNCILMAN DONALD ANDERSON SAID IT GREAT. IN REGARDS TO THANKING EVERYBODY, I DID ALSO ATTEND THE THE AUCTION AND ANGIE AND HER TEAM, THEY DID AN AWESOME JOB. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. AND THEN I GUESS LASTLY, T I'D IS HAVING THEIR HOMECOMING WEEKEND AND FESTIVITIES THIS FRIDAY. SO IF YOU'RE IN AND ABOUT AND ABOUT, WANT TO SEE A GOOD FOOTBALL TEAM? TERRELL TIGERS ARE PLAYING FRIDAY NIGHT. THEY PUT UP A LOT OF POINTS. VERY PROUD OF THE COACH AND THE TEAM. I THINK. RAYLAND ISN'T YOUR SON PLAYING? NO, NOT THIS YEAR. 
          OKAY, WELL, BUT THERE'S A THEY'RE DOING VERY WELL. I THINK THEY'RE UNDEFEATED IN DISTRICT, SO WE WISH THEM WELL. AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK. CHRIS KNAPP HAS SOMEONE THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE. COUNCIL. I WANT TO INTRODUCE A NEW EMPLOYEE THAT WE HAVE. PATRICK BALL IS OUR NEW BUILDING OFFICIAL THAT STARTED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. AND HE'S GETTING PLUGGED IN AND HE'S GOING TO BE OUT AND YOU'LL SEE HIM OUT IN THE FIELD AND ALL OVER THE CITY. 
          SO I'LL LET HIM HAVE A COUPLE WORDS. THANK YOU MAYOR COUNCIL. IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE. I'M EXCITED TO VERY, VERY, VERY ON THE CUSP OF OF SOME EXCITING THINGS. AND IT'S IT'S A REALLY A GOOD THING TO BE A PART OF THAT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME BUILDING WISE, ALWAYS ASK THOSE PLANNING WISE. I CAN HELP WITH THAT AS WELL. BUT I'M REALLY EXCITED AND I'M, I'M EXCITED FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. WELCOME TO THE CITY OF TRURO. WHERE ARE YOU? WHERE'D YOU COME FROM? I CAME FROM ROYSE CITY. OKAY, GREAT. WELL, WELCOME TO TRURO. WELCOME. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YOU BET. THANK YOU. PATRICK. THANK YOU. AND THEN ALSO AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF GROUPS THAT WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE. LET'S DO TERRELL CITIZENS ACADEMY GRADUATION FIRST. OKAY. OKAY. LET'S GO. OKAY. 
          HEY, URIEL. SO YOU GET A YOU GET A CERTIFICATE AND A CHALLENGE FOR. YOU. PAY AT THE DOOR ON THE WAY. THANK YOU. SIR. HE'S AROUND TOWN ALL THE TIME. COME TUESDAY MORNING MEETINGS. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING THERE. WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU ALL. HEY, YOU. TOM OR KEITH? 
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CONGRATULATIONS. AL. KOOPER. YOU'RE NOT RELATED TO JIM COOPER, ARE YOU, BY CHANCE? I THINK SO. OH, GOOD. THAT'S. NO. JIM. JIM AND I WERE CLASSMATES, NOT CLASSMATES, BUT FRIENDS. AND PEOPLE LOOK UP TO KEVIN COOPER. ARE Y'ALL RELATED? YOU ARE. OKAY, BUT NOT TO JIM. 
          THANK YOU. GOOD. GOOD TO SEE YOU. OH, BOY. 
          THANK YOU. YOU ALREADY HAVE A. AURORA. YOU WANT. YOU WANT TO, DON'T YOU? I'M GOOD. 
          HEY, CASEY. 
          DOROTHY. 
          ANYONE ELSE? CHAMBER MUSIC. I GRADUATED. ARE YOU CALLING ME COUNCIL? I WAS GOING TO HAVE HIM INTRODUCE HIMSELF, IF. THAT'S COOL. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS IS OUR FIRST CHAMBER LEADERSHIP GRADUATES THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TODAY. THEY'RE FROM OUR COMMUNITY. SUPER EXCITED FOR WEEK SERIES. ROBERT BESSER IS THE ONE THAT FACILITATED THE BETTER CULTURE GROUP. AND I WAS GOING TO HAVE THEM INTRODUCE THEMSELVES. ROBERT, COME FORWARD, PLEASE. WE'LL START WITH YOU. TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE GOT. WELL, THE FIRST COMING TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS THIS A GREAT TOWN AND WE HAVE REALLY GOOD PEOPLE LIVING HERE. YES. AND IT WAS A REAL PLEASURE TO WORK WITH THE LEADERSHIP GROUP FROM THE CHAMBER. I THINK I LEARNED MORE FROM THEM THAN I WAS ABLE TO TEACH THEM. SO IT WAS A GREAT EXPERIENCE. AND IT REALLY PROVES THAT CARROLL, TEXAS IS A GREAT HOMETOWN. WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH. OH, I GET A PEN. YEAH. 
          YOU GET YOU GET A TALENT. OKAY. ON THE GOLF COURSE, IF YOU EVER MAKE IT TO THE GREEN, I DON'T 
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KNOW. THAT'S ME. I CAN NEVER MAKE IT TO THE GREEN. SO THEY DO. THEY DO NOT. NOT DO THEY. 
          DO YOU WANT TO PLAY FOR MONEY? NO. THAT WOULD BE FUN. I THOUGHT HE INTRODUCED HIMSELF. 
          AND THEY'RE ALL GOING TO LITTLE MAIZE FOR DINNER. OKAY, SO Y'ALL GO AHEAD ONE MORE TIME. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS PAUL BROWN. I'M THE DIRECTOR FOR FOOD NUTRITION AT THE KAUFMAN HOSPITAL. ACTUALLY JUST CELEBRATED MY THREE YEAR ANNIVERSARY LAST FRIDAY. SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE CARE OF THIS, TAKE THIS CLASS. IT WAS A GREAT CLASS AND WITH ALL MY FELLOWS, IT WAS AN AMAZING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. HI, I'M AMANDA LEYVA WITH TRINITY VALLEY COMMUNITY COLLEGE. I'M THE CAMPUS DIRECTOR FOR THE ANNA KAUFMAN CAMPUS, SO THANK YOU. ROBERT. HELLO. MY NAME IS RONNIE AND I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER AT LA QUINTA. HELLO, MY NAME IS MAL WEISHAAR. I AM A QA MANAGER FOR THE WALMART DISTRIBUTION CENTER HERE IN TERRELL. AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. IT WAS GREAT. DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO SAY. WE'RE CLASSMATES, SO I TOLD HER NO HIGH SCHOOL. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. IT WAS WONDERFUL. WE HAVE SUCH A WONDERFUL GROUP OF LEADERS, AND WE'RE SO LUCKY THAT THEY'RE LEADING OUR WORKFORCE. AND IT REALLY WAS AN HONOR TO BE AMONG THEM. AND I'M DINA ELLIOTT BOYD. OKAY. THANK YOU. HELLO, CITY COUNCIL, I'M BITNER HAYES, I WORK AT THE TERRELL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. AND I WAS REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE I JUST GLEANED SO MUCH FROM THESE LEADERS TO IN JUST IMPLEMENTING EVERYTHING THAT I LEARNED HAS JUST BEEN SUPER BENEFICIAL. AND I JUST GOT A CHALLENGE CODE. SO I'M GOOD, I GET TO. GREETINGS, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS CASSANDRA HARRIS AND I AM CELEBRATING MY FIRST DAY OF RETIREMENT FROM EDWARD JONES. HELLO EVERYONE. I'M CASEY VANCE, I'M THE DEPUTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR FOR KAUFMAN COUNTY, AND I ALSO ENJOYED THE CLASS VERY MUCH. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. I OWN LULA MAE BISTRO. I ALSO HAVE A PARTNERSHIP IN UPPER EAST SIDE TEXAS MAGAZINE, AND I JUST OPENED THE WARREN HOUSE BED AND BREAKFAST. OH, GOOD. 
          YEAH. HELLO. I'M SADIE RAMIREZ, STAFF ACCOUNTANT AT BURMEISTER. I HAVE THE PLEASURE WITH WORKING WITH THIS AMAZING LEADER EVERY DAY. AND I HAD LOTS OF FUN GETTING TO KNOW EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. I'M ISABEL CANCEL. I'M BUSINESS SERVICES AND DATA COORDINATOR AT TAROT CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND EDC. AND I ALSO ENJOYED THE CLASS. THANK YOU. 
          HELLO, EVERYONE. I'M ANN THOMPSON. I'M A HUMAN RESOURCE ADVISOR OUT OF THE AUTOZONE DISTRIBUTION CENTER. THE CLASS WAS VERY UNIQUE FOR ME AS ROBERT IS MY DAD. SO. I GOT TO SEE A WHOLE NEW SIDE OF HIM. GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL. THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING US HERE. 
          THIS CLASS WAS REALLY GOOD. I HAD A LOT OF FUN, LEARNED A LOT FROM THESE LEADERS HERE. SO I THINK THE CITY OF TERRY WAS IN REALLY GOOD HANDS FOR THE FUTURE TO COME WITH ALL THE GROWTH THAT Y'ALL HAVE. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR PUTTING THIS CLASS TOGETHER. ANGIE. THANK YOU AND MAYOR, APPRECIATE YOU BEING A PART OF IT AS WELL. THANK Y'ALL. THANK YOU. COUNCIL, Y'ALL COME FORWARD, PLEASE. OKAY. I DIDN'T GET A HUG. THANK YOU. SORRY. 
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WHAT DO WE NEED? A LITTLE BIT MORE. ONE. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. SO. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. YEAH YEAH YEAH. THE CITIZENS ACADEMY, IF YOU WOULD COME FORWARD. ONE MORE. TWO. YEAH. ONE MORE THIS MONTH. COME ON UP. WHAT ARE YOU DOING? OH, WHERE ARE YOU GOING? WHERE ARE YOU GOING? TO? YOU DON'T GET THE POINT. OH, NO. WE HAVE. EVERYONE. 
          SO, PHIL, YOU STILL THERE? I'M SORRY. WE'RE DONE. I'M HERE. ALRIGHT, NEXT ON THE AGENDA ARE TO HEAR REMARKS FROM VISITORS. I DO HAVE A FORM. DEBORAH KELLY, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD. I OH. OH OKAY. SO IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WANTS TO. WELL I KNOW, BUT GO AHEAD AND. IS IT A PUBLIC HEARING? OH, OKAY. NEVER MIND. OKAY. GOTCHA. IS THERE ANY 
          [4. CONSENT AGENDA]
OTHER. OKAY, OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA COUNCIL OR CONSENT AGENDA. IT'S OUT ON 4.1, 4.2 AND 4.3. IS THERE A MOTION ON CONSENT? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE OUR CONSENT AGENDA. 
          ALL RIGHT. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, A MAYOR PRO TEM FROM DISTRICT TWO, A SECOND FROM JORGE VARGAS, DISTRICT THREE, TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I, I ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES AND THOSE PRESENT ARE. NEXT ITEM ON 
          [5. PUBLIC HEARINGS AND CITY COUNCIL ACTIONS]
THE AGENDA IS. PUBLIC HEARINGS AND COUNCIL ACTIONS. 5.1 CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW. USE NUMBER 343 SALVAGE RECLAMATION AND RECYCLING MATERIALS AT PROPERTY LOCATED AT ZERO. GARDNER. IDENTIFIED AS LOT 12PP NUMBER. DASH NUMBER MN000-02020-00. BLOCK 101. MOORE AND NASH. ADDITION, CITY OF TERRELL, KAUFMAN COUNTY, TEXAS. CAD PROPERTY ID NUMBER 31734 RAYLAND. SO I'M JUST HERE TO INTRODUCE SOMEONE WHO NEEDS NO INTRODUCTION, MISS KATIE BAKER. SHE HAS BEEN HANDLING ALL OF THE ZONE CHANGE AND S P APPLICATIONS FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. AND ALSO JUST TO KIND OF LET YOU ALL KNOW THE PROCESSES THAT WE HAVE TAKEN WITH P AND Z AND ALSO CITY COUNCIL. SO SHE'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT THE APPLICATION ITSELF AND THE MOTIONS OR THE STEPS THAT THE STAFF TOOK. AND THEN YOU'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT IN REGARDS TO THE ACTUAL REQUEST 
          [00:25:03]
FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. SO I JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO INTRODUCE KATIE. THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO THE FIRST ITEM I HAVE FOR YOU THIS EVENING IS, AS YOU SAID, AN SUP REQUEST. AND THIS IS BY AN EXISTING BUSINESS, FALCON METALS. SO THEY'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS AT THIS LOCATION FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS. AND WE FIRST GOT TO MEET THEM DUE TO A CODE ENFORCEMENT INTERACTION REGARDING THEIR FENCING. AND THEN DURING CONVERSATION, IT CAME ABOUT THAT THEY HAVE ACQUIRED AN ADDITIONAL LOT IN THE BLOCK THAT THEY CURRENTLY OCCUPY. AND SO IF THEY WANTED TO EXPAND THEIR EXISTING USAGE, THEY WERE GOING TO NEED TO APPLY FOR AN SUP TO BRING EVERYTHING UP TO COMPLIANCE. THAT IS VERY ECHOEY. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE BLOCK HERE, THEY CURRENTLY HAVE KIND OF THE L SHAPED CONFIGURATION, AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO INCORPORATE THAT 31734 LOT INTO THEIR EXISTING BUSINESS. SO WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING WITH THEM THEIR FENCING AND GETTING SOME UPDATES MADE TO THEIR PROPERTY. 
          AND THEY ARE JUST HERE TO APPLY FOR THAT'S U P TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LOT. AND JULIO STEEL IS HERE OUR APPLICANT IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME. WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO HEAR REMARKS FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS MATTER. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? YES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M DEBORAH KELLY. YOU GUYS HAVE MY ADDRESS, 100 NORTH CANTON, TERRELL, TEXAS. I'M A RESIDENT HERE IN TERRELL, AND I'M STANDING BEFORE YOU TONIGHT TO FORMALLY ASK YOU TO OVERTURN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION AND DENY THE EXPANSION OF THE RECYCLING CENTER AT ZERO. GARDNER. WHILE RECYCLING IS A VITAL UTILITY, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL INDUSTRIAL EXPANSION REQUIRES STRICT DUE DILIGENCE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD VOTED YAY ON THIS IMPACTFUL LAND USE ADJUSTMENT WITHOUT CONDUCTING A PHYSICAL SITE VISIT TO THE PROPERTY. SINCE THEY DID NOT SEE THE REAL WORLD CONTEXT OF ZERO GARDNER FIRSTHAND, THE BURDEN OF THE COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW NOW FALLS DIRECTLY ON THIS COUNCIL. FOR INSTANCE, TRAFFIC SAFETY INFRASTRUCTURE DRAINS. FIRST, LET'S LOOK AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPACT ON GARDNER STREET. IT'S SIMPLY NOT BUILT TO HANDLE AN INFLUX OF HEAVY COMMERCIAL TRANSPORT AXLES AND CONTINUOUS INDUSTRIAL TRAFFIC. INCREASED OPERATIONS MEAN MORE HEAVY TRUCKS PULLING IN AND OUT OF A NARROW CORRIDOR. THIS POSES A SAFETY HAZARD FOR LOCAL COMMUTERS, INCREASES THE RISK OF MORE ROAD DETERIORATION THAT TAXPAYERS WILL HAVE TO FUND AND CREATE SAFETY VIOLATIONS WHEN THE TRUCKS ARE QUEUING OR IDLING ON GARDNER STREET. ALSO, NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY AND QUALITY OF LIFE ZONING ORDINANCE, OR DESIGNED TO PROTECT THE PEACE AND HEALTH OF A COMMUNITY. EXPANDING THIS FACILITY WILL INCREASE INDUSTRIAL NOISE AT. THE. COMMISSIONERS STOOD ON THE DIRT AT ZERO. GARDNER. THEY WOULD HAVE SEEN EXACTLY HOW CLOSE THIS FACILITY SITS TO A PROPERTY AND SPACES WHERE EVERYDAY PEOPLE LIVE AND DRIVE. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S VOTE WAS MADE ON PAPER, BUT THE COUNCIL HAS TO GOVERN. IN REALITY, I VOTED NAY AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL BECAUSE THE LONG TERM DISRUPTION HEAVILY OUTWEIGH THE SHORT TERM BENEFITS. I URGE YOU TO EXERCISE YOUR OVERSIGHT, PROTECT THE LOCAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND VOTE NO ON THE ZERO GARDNER RECYCLING CENTER EXPANSION. AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW THOSE PICTURES THAT I GAVE YOU. THAT'S WHAT THAT PICTURE. NUMBER ONE TRUCKS CUE RIGHT THERE ALONGSIDE THE ROADWAY. THEY HAVE LITERALLY THE ROAD IS IS PROBABLY ABOUT 26, 28FT WIDE. 
          ABOUT TWO FEET OF IT IS ALREADY DETERIORATED. AND YOU SEE THE MUD. SO WHEN THEY'RE QUEUING THERE, WE LITERALLY HAVE TO STOP BEHIND THOSE BIG TRUCKS, LET ONCOMING TRAFFIC COME IN AS WE WAIT THERE BEHIND THERE AND STILL CAN'T SEE WHAT'S AROUND US. SO IF YOU'RE GOING NORTH OR SOUTH BOUND, IT'S DANGEROUS. PICTURE TWO SHOWS YOU WHERE THEY HAVE RUINED THE ASPHALT RIGHT THERE ON GARDNER STREET. PICTURE THREE SHOWS MY CAR AND IF THEY WERE CUTE, THEY'LL SEE HOW WIDE THAT STREET IS. WHEN THOSE 18 WHEELERS SIT THERE, THOSE SEMIS SIT THERE. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO CONTEND WITH. PICTURE FOUR IS HOW THEY'RE KEEPING THEIR FACILITY. NOW IT'S A MESS. PICTURE FIVE THEY HAVE RAZOR WIRE LOOK LIKE A NAZI CONCENTRATION CAMP. WE DO 
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NOT WANT THAT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. PICTURE SIX SHOWS YOU WHERE CANS THEY JUST PICKED UP BECAUSE THEY WERE ASKING FOR THIS EXPANSION. BEEN SITTING THERE FOR OVER THREE MONTHS, BUT I GOT IT BEFORE THEY CLEANED IT UP. BUT THAT'S USUALLY SITS THERE WHERE THE WORKERS ARE CANS AND A HOLE, ALL KIND OF STUFF, REFRIGERATED STUFF, RAGS, WHATEVER THEY THROW OUT. PICTURE SEVEN IS WHAT STALLINGS ADDITION, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE SEE EVERY DAY. THEY LOOK OUT THEIR WINDOW FOR OUR CUP OF COFFEE. 
          WE NO LONGER SEE HORSES AND TREES BECAUSE THE TREES HAVE BEEN CLEARED. WE SEE JUNK AND IT'S USUALLY EXTENDING OVER THE PERIMETER FENCE. THEY ONLY CLEAN THAT UP AGAIN IN THE LAST 20 YEARS BECAUSE PROBABLY BECAUSE OF THE EXPANSION REQUEST. BUT I ASK YOU, PLEASE, IF YOU DID NOT GO SEE IT. THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT PICTURES, BECAUSE MY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS FAILED ME ON THAT. THANK YOU. SO I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO VOTE NO. AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR SERVICE TO TERRELL. APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? DO YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT NOW THIS YEAH, THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO YES, IF YOU WOULD COME FORWARD. IF YOU'RE FOR OR AGAINST. AND AGAIN, WE NEED YOUR NAME ADDRESS. AND THEN WHETHER YOU'RE FOR OR AGAINST, I'M FOR JULIO STEEL WITH FALCON METALS AT 707 EAST GROVE STREET. OKAY. SO I HAVE SOME PICTURES I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU GUYS, SOME ROUGH RENDERINGS OF WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO WITH THIS EXPANSION. SO IF I COULD JUST PASS THOSE OUT TO YOU NOW, STAFF WILL TAKE THEM FOR YOU. THANK YOU. WELL, AS AN EMPLOYEE AND A FAMILY MEMBER OF THIS COMPANY, YOU KNOW, I JUST HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WILL ALL CONSIDER APPROVING THIS EXPANSION. WE WE DO SUPPORT THE LOCAL COMMUNITY AND IN VARIOUS WAYS, NOT JUST ECONOMICALLY, BUT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING DIFFERENT CHARITIES, SUPPORTING THE CHAMBER, YOU KNOW, THAT EVENT THAT THEY JUST HAD THAT AUCTION. WE WERE ONE OF THE SPONSORS AND THEY NEEDED SCRAP METAL TO, TO GO WITH THE THEME. AND SO THEY REACHED OUT TO ME AND YOU REACHED OUT TO ME AND I BROUGHT OVER LIKE 50 POUNDS OF DIFFERENT TRANSMISSION GEARS. 
          JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE BACK. WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE CITY. 
          INITIALLY, I GUESS THIS ALL GOT BROUGHT TO MY PLATE. AS KATIE MENTIONED, IT WAS KIND OF A CODE ENFORCEMENT THING. AND WE'VE ALWAYS COMPLIED WITH ANY VIOLATIONS THAT'S BEEN MAILED TO US. BUT WHAT WE'RE REALLY WANTING TO DO IS, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PICTURES HERE, IS WE'RE WANTING TO ENCLOSE OUR INDUSTRIAL LOT. AND THE REASON WE'RE WANTING TO DO THAT IS TO PROVIDE MORE SCREENING AND HELP PRESERVE THE ESTHETICS OF THE COMMUNITY. WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO UP FRONT IS MORE OF A STAGING PARKING AREA. WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO TO WORK WITH THEIR CURRENT CODE. THE REASON WE HAVE RAZOR WIRE IS BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 20 YEARS AND WE ARE LEGAL NONCONFORMING. SO AT THE TIME WHEN WE PUT THESE STRUCTURES IN, WHEN WE PUT THIS FENCING IN, IT WAS ALLOWED. IF IT WAS NOT ALLOWED, WE WOULD HAVE ALREADY REMOVED THAT. BUT GOING FORWARD, LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEW FENCING IS WITHIN COMPLIANCE AND WITHIN THE CODE. 
          SO WE WANT TO DO THE WROUGHT IRON FENCING IN THE FRONT CORNER LOT AND THE BACK LOT. WE WANT TO ACTUALLY USE THAT AREA TO EXPAND OUR SCRAP OPERATION. WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED WITH, YOU KNOW, GREAT BUSINESS AND WE SUPPORT LOTS OF MANUFACTURERS IN THE DFW, BUT ALSO RIGHT HERE IN TERRELL, WE SUPPORT NUCOR, WE SUPPORT OLYMPIC TRAILER, FINE LINE, R&R DESIGN. YOU KNOW, SEVERAL OTHER COMPANIES JUST HERE IN KAUFMAN THAT WE SUPPORT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE. WE'RE GROWING, BUT WE NEED THE SPACE. WE LIKE. TERRELL AND I DRIVE HERE EVERY DAY, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. I COME FROM DALLAS. I WOULDN'T DO THAT IF I DIDN'T SEE A FUTURE HERE. AND WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL. AND JUST TO SAY TO SOME OF THE REMARKS, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITY. WE'RE NOT HERE TO DISRUPT THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE NOT HERE TO, YOU KNOW, DO ANYTHING BAD FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          WE'RE HERE TO SUPPORT IT. WE CREATE JOBS, WE HAVE DRIVERS, WE HAVE YARD STAFF, WE HAVE MANAGERS, ALL THAT WORK FOR US. SO WE'RE SUPPORTING THIS ECONOMY AND VARIOUS OTHER WAYS WE PAY TAXES. AND, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE NOT AN ICE DETENTION CENTER, WHICH IS WHAT WAS SAID 
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TO ME AT THE LAST PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING. AND WE'RE NOT A CONCENTRATION CAMP. ALSO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S VERY OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE. AND I GET A LITTLE BIT EMOTIONAL HEARING THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHO'S SITTING IN THIS ROOM. SO I JUST ASK THAT WE ALWAYS BE RESPECTFUL. IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS A BUSINESS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. OH, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO THIS IS FOR US TO RECEIVE COMMENTS LATER ON WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING IT. YOU MAY WE MAY ASK YOU TO COME FORWARD. SURE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SURE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. MY NAME IS SHEILA BROWN. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. CITY COUNCIL. MAYOR CARMONA, YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE. 
          MY CONCERN. YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE. I'M AGAINST YOUR ADDRESS. I'M SORRY. YOUR ADDRESS? 307 HENDERSON. THANK YOU. TERRELL. TEXAS. OKAY. AND I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT. BORN AND RAISED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I TO AGREE WITH DEBORAH KELLY THAT IT IS AN EYESORE. HE DOES NOT LIVE HERE. AND IT SEEMS LIKE HE'S TRYING TO BUY THE BOAT VERSUS BEING FAIR ABOUT RESPECTING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF IT WAS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? THAT'S ALL I ASK. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS 5.2. NO. YEAH. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ORDINANCE NUMBER 3200. 
          GRANTING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO NEPTUNE INVESTMENTS HOLDING COMPANY, LLC. RAYLAND OR NO. 
          I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. KATIE. HI, KATIE. ALRIGHT, SO THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU IS FOR THIS SUP. SO KATIE, THE PNC VOTED AND WHAT WAS THAT THAT VOTE. THE VOTE WAS, I BELIEVE 3 TO 2. SAY THAT AGAIN. THE MOTION WAS TO DENY. AND IT WAS STRUCK DOWN 3 TO 2 TO DENY THE THE REQUEST. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IT WAS APPROVED 3 TO 2. ESSENTIALLY IT WAS APPROVED OR DENIED WAS TO DENY. YES. WHAT APPROVED 3 TO 2 TO DENY. APPROVED TO DENY. WAIT. I'M I'M CONFUSED HERE. DID WE DID WE APPROVE IT OR DID WE DENY IT? THE MOTION WAS MADE TO DENY. 
          YES. TWO COMMISSIONERS VOTED I TO DENY IT, AND THREE COMMISSIONERS VOTED NAY TO DENY. 
          SO THE MOTION WAS PASSED. SO THE DENIAL WAS NO, IT FAILED. DENY THAT MOTION FAILED. FAILED. 
          DID WE EVER APPROVE IT? BUT DID WAS THERE EVER A MOTION TO APPROVE? WELL, THEN IT WAS DENIED. YES. LEGAL. YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD DEFER TO ROBERT. BUT IF THERE'S A MOTION TO DENY IT AND THAT FAILS, IT'S NOT APPROVED. IT'S IT'S STILL KIND OF IN LIMBO. THE TYPICAL PRACTICE IS IF YOU MAKE A MOTION DENIED, IT FAILS. THEN SOMEONE SHOULD SAY, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND YOU ASSUME THE VOTE WOULD BE THREE TWO, RIGHT? IF THERE'S NOT AN ACTUAL MOTION TO APPROVE, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION OF THE P AND Z TO THE COUNCIL. 
          EXACTLY. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET. YOU CAN REALLY ACT ON IT. UNDER LAW. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT RECOMMENDED TO DENY OR RECOMMEND TO APPROVE BECAUSE NO MOTION SUCCESSFULLY PASSED. SO AT THIS POINT, I THINK YOU PROBABLY NEED TO SEND IT BACK TO P AND Z, REMANDED TO P AND Z AND HAVE THEM TAKE A HEADS UP VOTE EITHER YES OR NO. 
          RIGHT. ONE OF THOSE HAS GOT TO PASS OR, YOU KNOW, EITHER THE NO VOTES GOT TO PASS OR THE YES VOTES GOT TO PASS. AND THEN WHAT. BUT THEY HAVE THEY DENIED IT. WELL THERE WAS IT WAS A THREE TWO DENY AND THAT FAILED. WAIT A THREE TWO VOTE. WELL. OH OKAY. RIGHT. YOU'RE THE MOTION TO DENY APPARENTLY. AND THAT THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH. YES. VOTES TO DENY. AND THERE WAS NEVER A MOTION PUT ON THE TABLE TO APPROVE. YES. AT THIS POINT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY. YOU KIND OF READ THE TEA LEAVES. YES. BUT LEGALLY YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY ACT. AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE. 
          RECOMMENDATION FROM P AND Z. YOU DON'T HAVE ONE. RIGHT. AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE ASKING THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER SOMETHING UNLESS WE ARE DEAD CERTAIN ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT. SO. WOULD WE TABLE OR WOULD WE POSTPONE OR OR JUST NO ACTION? NO. I THINK WHAT YOU DO IS, IS COUNCIL ALWAYS HAS THE ABILITY TO SIMPLY SAY YES, NO. BUT IF OR EVEN IN A CASE OF MAKING A RECOMMENDATION, YOU CAN SAY SOMETHING'S COME UP, WE WANT TO 
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SEND IT BACK. SO BASICALLY IT'D BE A MOTION TO SEND THE MATTER BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND HAVE THEM CONSIDER IT AND COME BACK TO YOU WITH AN ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE A MOTION TO REMAND TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          OKAY, OKAY. I MAKE THAT MOTION. SO. TO REMAND. SO THE MOTION WOULD BE WHAT COUNCIL MOTION TO REMAND THE ITEM ITEM THAT WE'RE TO BE DISCUSSING. BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL WITH A YES OR NO. OKAY. WE HAVE WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A. SECOND. YEAH, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, A MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT TWO, A SECOND FROM STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS, OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM FROM DISTRICT FOUR, TO REMAND THIS ITEM BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I, I, I ANY OPPOSED? ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES AN END OF ALL THOSE PRESENT. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS. 
          FIVE THREE. I GOTTA GET MY PAPERWORK IN ORDER. SORRY. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR A ZONE CHANGE FROM AGRICULTURAL AG AND HIGHWAY CORRIDOR HC TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PD DASH L I ON 8.5304 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED IN THE THOMAS F SMITH SURVEY. ABSTRACT NUMBER 493. CITY OF KAUFMAN COUNTY, TEXAS, IDENTIFIED AS CAD PROPERTY ID 29943229946299, 47299, 482995729958, AND 29959 TERRELL KAUFMAN COUNTY, TEXAS. 
          KATY. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS CAME TO STAFF AS A STRAIGHT ZONING REQUEST AFTER SOME ASSESSMENT AND RESEARCH STAFF LOOKED THROUGH. AND SINCE THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN QUESTION HERE ARE PART OF THE NORTH SPUR DEVELOPMENT PROPERTIES, STAFF RECOMMENDED INSTEAD THAT WE JUST AMEND THE EXISTING NORTH SPUR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO ENCOMPASS THESE PROPERTIES. 
          THAT'S IT. OKAY. AGAIN. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE'LL BRING YOU BACK UP. THANK YOU. 
          AT THIS TIME, WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE REQUEST FOR THE ZONING CHANGE FROM AGRICULTURAL TO HIGHWAY CORRIDOR. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES. IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND THEN FOR OR AGAINST. THANK YOU. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL TYLER WALLACH WITH JACKSON WALKER. ADDRESS IS 777 MAIN STREET, FORT WORTH, TEXAS, 76102. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE THIS PROPERTY INTO THE CURRENT AND EXISTING PD, AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER THEM. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? HEARING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          KATY, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD. WE ARE GOING TO GO TO 5.4 DISCUSSING CONSIDER ORDINANCE NUMBER 3201, AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2949 TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL REAL PROPERTY. KATY. ALL RIGHT. SO THE ORDINANCE HERE IS TO AMEND THE EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR THE NORTH SPUR PROPERTIES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE LOCATION MAP, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S. SORRY, DON, THERE'S A LITTLE STRETCH. AND THIS IS MOSTLY TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO 1392 AND JUST CREATE SOME ALTERNATIVE ENTRANCES FOR THE NORTH SPUR DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS WOULD LET THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES BE PART OF THE RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES OUTLINED IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. AND IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE STRICT AND MORE SUBJECT TO REQUIREMENTS THIS WAY THAN IF IT WERE A STRAIGHT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING. AGREED. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE. COUNCIL. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR KATY ON THIS ITEM? I DO, YES. SO THIS IS PERMISSIBLE TO AMEND THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT INSTEAD OF JUST CHANGING THE THE ZONING. THIS IS PERMISSIBLE UNDER LAW. OKAY. ALSO I'M LOOKING AT THIS MAP. 
          HOW WILL IT BE DIRECT ACCESS TO 1392. IT LOOKED LIKE THERE'S A STRUCTURE AND TREES AND SOME OTHER STUFF. SO I THINK THAT THERE IS STILL SOME WORK HAPPENING THERE, BUT THIS IS TO 
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CREATE SOME ADDITIONAL WE'RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. I THINK IS THE INTENT HERE. OKAY. 
          AND IF THIS IS CHANGED TO WHAT KIND OF IS IT JUST FOR HIGHWAY? AND SO THEY CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THIS, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY KIND OF BUSINESS OR ANYTHING THAT CAN GO THERE. SO YOU SEE THE DOGLEG TO THE LEFT MOST PART, THAT'S GOING TO BE A ROADWAY THAT'S GOING TO CONNECT FROM REVELLI WAY THERE ITSELF. BASIL'S. IT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THERE AND CONNECT TO 1392. OKAY, SO THIS IS PART OF THAT LAND ACQUISITION FOR THEM TO MAKE THAT CONNECTIVITY OF THAT ROAD. OKAY. SO ON THE RIGHT. THAT'S GOING TO CONNECT THAT YELLOW LINE RIGHT THERE, UP THAT RIGHT THERE, THAT'S GOING TO CONNECT TO 1392. YES. OKAY. AND IT WILL IT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BUSINESSES OR ANYTHING? IT'S JUST STRICTLY FOR TRAVELING AND MANEUVERING. 
          RIGHT. BUSINESSES THERE ALONGSIDE. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU KATIE, I APPRECIATE IT. IS THERE A MOTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 3201. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 3201 HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS, OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT, FOR A SECOND FROM JORGE VARGAS, DISTRICT THREE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 3201 AS PRESENTED. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I, I, I ANY OPPOSED? 
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MOTION CARRIES. NOW ALL THOSE PRESENT. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA ARE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. THE FIRST ONE IS DISCUSS APPOINTMENTS TO THE PARK BOARD. DON. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. LET ME GET TO THIS IN YOUR PACKET IS IS THE PARK BOARD ROSTER. WE HAD ONE RESIGNATION FROM THE BOARD, SO WE HAVE ONE OPEN POSITION ON THAT BOARD. BRANDON BOETTCHER. 
          AND WE HAD A COUPLE OF APPLICATIONS IN THE PACKET. AND THIS FALLS UNDER THE OVERSIGHT OF JORGE VARGAS COUNCIL. I'D LIKE TO POSTPONE THIS TO NEXT MONTH. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TO MOVE ITEM 6.1 TO NEXT MONTH, PLEASE. WE HAVE THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM JORGE VARGAS, DISTRICT THREE, SECOND FROM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, OUR MAYOR PRO TEM FROM DISTRICT TWO, TO POSTPONE ITEM 6.1, THE APPOINTMENT TO THE PARK BOARD. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THOSE PRESENT OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER. APPOINTMENT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. DON. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THE PLANNING AND ZONING ROSTERS IN YOUR PACKET. 
          WE HAVE ACTUALLY JUST ONE OPEN POSITION ON THIS BOARD, AND THIS BOARD FALLS UNDER THE OVERSIGHT OF DONNA RENEE ANDERSON. ALL RIGHT, MAYOR PRO TEM, YES, I MAKE A MOTION, IF I MAY, TO POSTPONE UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING. WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, A MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT TWO, A SECOND FROM STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS, OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM FROM DISTRICT FOUR, TO POSTPONE ITEM 6.2, THE APPOINTMENT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I, I ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY TO PRESENT. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS. 6.3 DISCUSS APPOINTMENT TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. DON. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. IN YOUR PACKET IS THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS ROSTER. WE DID HAVE ONE RESIGNATION FROM THAT BOARD. HE MOVED TO ANOTHER BOARD. SO WE HAVE AN OPEN POSITION IN THIS BOARD. FALLS UNDER THE OVERSIGHT OF JORGE VARGAS. COUNCILMAN. YES, GENTLEMEN, I HAVE ONE MORE PHONE CALL TO MAKE, SO I'D LIKE TO POSTPONE THIS TO NEXT MONTH. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE ITEM 6.3 TO NEXT MONTH. GOT IT. SECOND, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM JORGE VARGAS, DISTRICT THREE, A SECOND FROM STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS, OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM FROM DISTRICT FOUR, TO POSTPONE ITEM 6.3. THE APPOINTMENT TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I, I ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THE PRESIDENT. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE 
          [7. DISCUSSION ITEMS]
AGENDA DISCUSSION ITEMS. 7.1 DISCUSS ORDINANCE NUMBER 3203 AMENDING SECTION 11-33 TRUCK ROUTES OF CHAPTER 11 TRAFFIC REGULATIONS TO ESTABLISH NO. THROUGH TRUCK RESTRICTIONS ON CERTAIN STREET SEGMENTS. CHRIS KNAPP, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE COUNCIL. SO COUNCIL 
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AND MAYOR, I BRING TO YOU TONIGHT OPPORTUNITY HERE TO CONTROL THE SOME TRAFFIC AND SOME HEAVY EQUIPMENT ON SOME OF OUR STREET ROADS. IT'S COME FROM A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND SO HARLEY AND I COME BEFORE YOU IN SUPPORTING THIS BASICALLY AS THIS IS AMENDING. SO WE'RE TRYING TO TO REDUCE THE 18 WHEELER TRAFFIC. BASICALLY, THERE'S A DEFINITION AS FAR AS HEAVY EQUIPMENT, BUT TRYING TO CUT DOWN THE TRAFFIC ON GRIFFITH ROAD, NINTH STREET, BRIDGE STREET AND EAST HIGH STREET AND TO NORTH BLANCHE. SO WHAT THIS WOULD DO IS WOULD PREVENT HEAVY EQUIPMENT ON THOSE STREET ROADS. AS YOU KNOW, OUR ROADS ARE DELICATE IN, SAY THE LEAST. SO THIS WAS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE SOME OF THAT WEAR AND TEAR. WE GET A LOT OF TRAFFIC BEING TURNED. THE WHEELS DO A LOT OF GRINDING ON THE PAVEMENT. SO THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION HERE. FOR EXAMPLE, THE GRIFFITH STREET WITH ALL THE WAY FROM ROCKWELL ALL THE WAY OUT TO 205. SO THIS DOESN'T PREVENT THE FACT THAT IF AN 18 WHEELER, SOMEBODY'S MOVING, HAVING SOMETHING DELIVERED, THAT'S MONUMENTAL. 
          IT'S JUST VERY MOMENT. BUT THROUGH TRAFFIC, THAT'S JUST CONSTANT. FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE HAVING TRAFFIC. YOU'VE HEARD THE APP CALLED WIDE WAYS. I BELIEVE THEY'RE DIVERTING TRAFFIC ON SOME OF OUR STREET ROADS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY SEE CONGESTION. THEY'LL JUST DO ANOTHER ROUTE AND THAT CREATES. THAT CREATES TRAFFIC ON OUR ROADS. SO IS IT JUST SPECIFIC TO THESE THESE. THAT'S CORRECT. WHAT IF WE HAVE OTHER ROADS THAT ARE OUR CONCERN TO THE COUNCIL IN THEIR DISTRICTS? BECAUSE THIS IS MOSTLY DISTRICT FIVE, IS IT NOT IN ONE ONE ON HAYES. YES. BRANT, COULD WE COULD WE ADD STREETS? YOU CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO ME AND I CAN TAKE THAT AND DO A STUDY AND WE CAN EVALUATE THAT. SO SO IT'S FOR CAUSE I MEAN, THERE'S A. YOU DO SOME KIND OF STUDY THAT WARRANTS. YES. THE, THE, THIS IS TO REDUCE THAT WEAR AND TEAR ON OUR CITIES. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND COUNCIL ANY QUESTION? YES. THIS IS. NORMAL TRUCK 18 WHEEL TRUCK TRAFFIC OR DUMP TRUCK TRAFFIC. THAT'S GOING DOWN FROM 205 DOWN GRIFFITH TO ROCKWELL. AND WE CAN REGULATE THAT. BECAUSE THEY DO. THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS THE TRUCKS THAT ARE CARRYING CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS TO HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS. SO THAT THAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC IS JUST ONE OFF. OKAY. THIS IS ROUTINE TRAFFIC WHERE IT'S NOT THROUGH TRAFFIC, OKAY, THIS IS PASSED. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ARLIE WOULD BE MONITORING. AND WHEN THEY DO THE IF THEY HAVE A TRUCK THAT IS REPETITIVE OR THEY STOP, THEY CAN FIND OUT WHERE THE DESTINATION IS. LIKE THOSE 18 WHEELERS SUCH AS HOME DEPOT MAKES DELIVERY TO THAT. YOU'LL SEE REAL QUICK AND THEY'LL SEE IF IT GOES THAT WAY. TODAY I SAW 518 WHEELERS COMING OFF OF ROCKWELL. SOMEBODY MADE A MESS BECAUSE IT WAS A LITTLE DUST STORM GOING. SO YES. AND THEY WERE PASSING THROUGH. THEY WEREN'T STOPPING, BUT THEY WERE THEY WERE LOADED UP. AND THAT'S THE POINT OF WHAT THIS IS TO PREVENT. SO WE CAN REDUCE THE WEAR AND TEAR ON OUR STREETS. 
          AS YOU KNOW, GRIFFITH IS A FAIRLY NEW STREET, AND WE HAVE 60, 80,000 POUND TRUCKS COME THROUGH THERE. OKAY. PUTTING GROOVES IN THERE. HEY, CHRIS, CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. YEAH. NO, YOU NEED TO. WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. SPEAK UP. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? NOPE. WE. SO. SO IT'S MY OPINION THAT THIS IS LONG OVERDUE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU AND I AND I BELIEVE OUR FORMER CITY MANAGER DISCUSSED OFTEN, JUST SORT OF WAYS THAT WE CAN MITIGATE THE TRUCK TRAFFIC DOWN GRIFFITH, ESPECIALLY. WE GET A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S DIRECTED DOWN THAT WAY BY GPS SYSTEMS. AND JUST FOR CONVENIENCE BY SOME FOLKS. AND IT'S A IT DEFINITELY IS NOT APPROPRIATE ON OUR RESIDENTIAL STREETS. GRIFFITH IS OFTEN TREATED LIKE A HIGHWAY. 
          I'D LIKE US TO TAKE EVEN MORE ACTION LONG TERM. DO SOMETHING TO EITHER CLOSE OFF OR REDIRECT TRAFFIC. THAT'S COMING OFF OF 205 ONTO GRIFFITH. YOU KNOW, WE'VE DISCUSSED THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME KIND OF AN ENGINEERING SOLUTION, MAYBE LIKE A ROUNDABOUT OR SOMETHING COMING OFF OF 205 TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, JUST EXTREMELY INCONVENIENT FOR A, FOR A LARGER TRUCK TO NAVIGATE THE AREA TO GET FROM 205 ONTO GRIFFITH, OR MAYBE CLOSE IT OFF TO WHERE IT CAN'T 
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GET TO ROCKWELL, SOMETHING THAT MAKES IT EVEN TOUGHER FOR TRUCKS TO COME DOWN THROUGH THAT AREA AND WOULD PREVENT GPS FROM FROM DOING SOME OF THAT. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE REQUEST OF STAFF TO EXPLORE WHAT WE CAN DO EVEN FURTHER, TO KIND OF CLOSE OFF GRIFFITH, TO TALK TO TRUCK TRAFFIC, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF THE MAIN ENTRY POINT TO GET TRUCK TRAFFIC INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. ALSO, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A AN OFFICER KIND OF STATION THERE WATCHING TO SEE WHO'S COMING OFF OF 205 ONTO GRIFFITH? OR HOW ARE WE GOING TO ENFORCE THIS ORDINANCE ONCE IT'S ESTABLISHED ROUTINE PATROL TRAFFIC UNITS AND HAVE A FUTURE PLAN FOR THEY'VE OPENED UP THE ABILITIES FOR SMALLER MUNICIPALITIES TO HAVE WEIGHT AND LICENSE. SO WE'RE EXPLORING THOSE POSSIBILITIES. I'VE GOT ONE PERSON THAT'S UNIQUELY QUALIFIED FOR THAT POSITION, AND SO WE'RE CONSIDERING THAT IN THE FUTURE. I DON'T KNOW HOW QUICKLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, BECAUSE THE PATROL STAFF IS GOING TO COME AHEAD OF THAT, BUT I WOULD SUPPORT IT. YEAH, COUNCILMAN, THE MAYOR WOULD SUPPORT DISTRICT FIVE IN DOING SO, TOO. 
          BUT SO THE THE FINE IS NOT TO EXCEED $500. IS THAT ENOUGH? I MEAN. WHERE DID WE GET THAT? IS THAT IS THAT A MAXIMUM, A STATE LAW FOR FOR MISDEMEANORS LIKE THAT? I MEAN, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE 2000, BUT THOSE ARE MUCH BIGGER TYPE OF ITEMS. SO AND IT CAN BE THEY CAN BE $500 EVERY TIME. I MEAN, YOU CAN GET THE SAME TRUCK THREE TIMES IN A DAY. OKAY, JUST WE DO THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S EVERY INSTANCE IS A SEPARATE OFFENSE. SO IT STARTS TO BUILD UP WITH A NUMBER OF $500 TICKETS AND THEY GO TO THE DRIVER AND NOT THE COMPANY OR WHAT. YEAH. WELL YOU ARE WE HOLDING IT? THE DRIVER IS THE ONE DRIVER. YEAH. THE DRIVER. 
          RIGHT. DRIVER IS LEGALLY WHOEVER'S DRIVING THE TRUCKS LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE. BUT AND AGAIN, THEIR EMPLOYERS ARE THE ONES THAT TYPICALLY ARE GOING TO COVER THAT BECAUSE NO, NO DRIVER CAN AFFORD TO. YEAH. AND THOSE TICKETS. YEAH. AND I, I CERTAINLY WANT THIS ISN'T A REVENUE CHASING. NO ORDINANCE. IT'S SIMPLY WE DON'T WANT THOSE BIG TRUCKS OWNER. WE'D RATHER YOU NOT PAY THE FINE AND STAY OFF THE ROAD FOR THESE BIG TRUCKS. RIGHT. WE'RE NOT CHASING REVENUE I KNOW. YEAH. OKAY. I MEAN, CITIES HAVE THE POWER TO I MEAN, YOU CAN'T BAN HEAVY TRUCKS. OBVIOUSLY, HEAVY TRUCKS HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR COMMUNITY, BUT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DETERMINE WHICH ROADS ARE THE BETTER, DIFFERENT WAY. SOME CITIES BASICALLY HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT DESIGNATES HEAVY TRUCK ROUTES, AND BASICALLY YOU USE ONLY THOSE ROUTES, RIGHT? YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE GOING THE OPPOSITE. A LOT OF CITIES SAY YOU CAN'T USE THESE ROUTES. AND BY DOING SO, YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING EVERYTHING ELSE IS IS FAIR GAME. 
          BUT SOME COMBINATION OF THE TWO AND BUT AS LONG AS THE TRUCKS CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THE ROAD SYSTEM, AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE BEST ACCESS OR THE QUICKEST ACCESS OR THE MOST CONVENIENT ACCESS, AS LONG AS THEY CAN GET ACCESS TO THE MAJOR ROAD SYSTEM. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN. AND USUALLY THERE'S EXCEPTIONS FOR DELIVERIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          BUT, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, BUT IT'S, IT'S BECAUSE YOU ASK WHETHER THAT'S LEGAL OR NOT YET IT'S WELL DEFINED THAT CITIES HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROTECT THE ROADS. SO WE'RE USING SIGNAGE. 
          WE'RE USING SIGNAGE TO MAKE THEM AWARE OF IT. THAT'S CORRECT. AND WHERE WOULD WHERE WOULD THE SIGNAGE BE AT BOTH THE BOTH THE ENDS OF EITHER THE FRONT END OF NEW 205 AT THE NORTH, EVERY ROAD THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED, THERE'S GOING TO BE AT BOTH ENDS OF THE INTERSECTIONS. WELL, ALL RIGHT. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 205 AND GRIFFITH AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ROCKWALL AND. BUT IF YOU ENTER OFF A NINTH STREET, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER SIGN. THERE'LL BE ANOTHER SIGN. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT A MINOR. COLLECTORS WILL ALL BE INVOLVED IN THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE COVERED EVERYTHING. SO. CHRIS. YES. AS AS IT SEEMS, THE THE BULK OF THE TRUCK TRAFFIC DOES COME OFF OF 205. CAN YOU DO YOU THINK IT'S FEASIBLE FOR US TO COME UP WITH AN ENGINEERING SOLUTION TO KIND OF MAKE IT LESS CONVENIENT TO COME OFF OF TWO OFF ONTO GRIFFITH? WHAT CAN WE DO TO KIND OF PREVENT THAT TRAFFIC FROM THE WAY THE STREET IS LAID OUT STANDPOINT? SO YOU MENTIONED A ROUNDABOUT, ANY THERE'S VARIOUS TRAFFIC CALMING THINGS THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY DO. THE LIMITATION IS GOING TO BE THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE HAVE ROOM TO DO IT. A ROUNDABOUT IS GOING TO TAKE UP A GREAT DEAL OF REAL ESTATE TO TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. IS THERE SOME FORM OR FASHION OF THAT ONE THAT IS A TXDOT ROAD? 205 SO THEY ALREADY HAVE A RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH ON. 205 SO WE CANNOT INTERFERE WITH THAT. SO WE WOULD BE MORE LOOKING INTO THE GRIFFITH ROAD WHEN IT BECOMES PART OF THE CITY LIMITS SIDE OF IT. SO ROUNDABOUT IS ONE WAY. DIVIDERS IS ANOTHER WAY THAT SLOWS AND CALMS TRAFFIC DOWN. OKAY. YOU KNOW, I WOULD CAUTION STAFF. WE STILL HAVE FIRE 
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TRUCKS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE RESPONSIVE OUT IN THAT AREA TOO. ABSOLUTELY. RIGHT. SO IT'S JUST NOT TRYING TO PREVENT. BUT WE ALSO GOT TO PROVIDE SERVICE. AND WE HAVE OUT BY THE I GUESS IT'S ON APACHE TRAIL WHERE THE WAREHOUSES ARE AND THEIR TRUCKS GO. WE HAVE A LOT OF NO PARKING SIGNS AND THEY STILL PARK. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, HOW MANY PARK? NO PARKING SIGNS DO WE HAVE? BLINK BLINK, BLINK AND THEY STILL PARK. SO WE WE THE SIGNAGE IS A GOOD IDEA, BUT IF I SAW FIVE TRUCKS TODAY COME OFF OF GRIFFITH, OFF OF ROCKWALL, ONTO MOORE AVENUE, I KNOW THAT THEIR COMPUTER SYSTEM REROUTED THEM FROM 205 DOWN GRIFFITH TO ROCKWALL. SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW WE CAN STOP THAT. IF THE TRUCK COMPUTER SYSTEM. OPERATING OR WHAT IS IT CALLED, MANDATED BY THEIR COMPANY TO USE IS REROUTING THEM THROUGH THE SYSTEM? I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LESS TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA BECAUSE IT'S THEY DESTROY THE ROADS. BUT BASED ON OUR CITY EXPERIENCE WITH BIG TRUCKS AND NO PARKING, I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE THE MANPOWER TO PUT SOMEONE ON GRIFFITH FOR A SHIFT TO STOP SOMEONE WHO'S TRYING TO MAKE DEADLINES AND DOESN'T WANT TO GO DOWN. 205 TO MOORE AVENUE AT 4:00 IN THE AFTERNOON. SO WHATEVER YOU CAN DO AS AN ENGINEER TO TO REDUCE THIS, IT WOULD BE MOST APPRECIATED KNOWING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE JUST ONE DRIVER THAT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH A BARRIER. JUST ONE. HEY, CHRIS, I HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO I'M APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING BLANCHE AND BRANT OUT THERE. WHAT'S HAVE WE LOOKED INTO? IF LET'S JUST SAY THEY BLOCK OFF BLANCHE FROM GOING DOWN BLANCHE AND THEN THEY TURN THERE ON, ON ON HIGH STREET. FROM THEM GOING DOWN THE STREET TO NORTH DEALT WITH THE VINE STREET ON THE. WHICH IS EVEN SMALLER. CAN WE PUT SOMETHING OVER THERE? THAT WAY THEY DON'T USE THAT LITTLE SMALLER BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO SEE THAT BLANCHE IS BLOCKED. CORRECT. AND THEN I DON'T WANT THEM TO GO DOWN THE STREET TO. 
          IS IT A IF YOU TURN OFF 80, YOU TURN OFF 80. THERE'LL BE A SIGN THAT SAYS NO THROUGH TRAFFIC, ON BLANCHE, ON BLANCHE. YOU TURN OFF 80 AND THEN PUT ON EAST HIGH. WHEN YOU TURN OFF AT 3034, THERE WILL BE A SIGN. CAN WE PUT ONE ALSO ON NORTH DAUPHINE? BECAUSE THAT ROAD IS EVEN SMALLER. THAT'S ON THE NEXT ONE OVER TALKING ABOUT. I KNOW WHERE THAT IS. IT'S RIGHT. 
          RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE. IT'S ON. GO DOWN THE BRIDGE. IT'S THE FIRST, RIGHT? THE FIRST RIGHT, RIGHT NEXT TO. I GUESS IT'S CALLED STONE OR COAL MOUNTAIN WITH COAL MOUNTAIN. YEAH. YOU GOT THAT NEXT ROAD. YOU KNOW THEY CAN'T GO DOWN BLANCHE. THEY SAID, OKAY, WELL, I'M GOING TO GO DOWN TO NORTH DAUPHINE AND THEN MAKE A MAKE A RIGHT THERE, WHICH IS EVEN SMALLER, YOU KNOW, AND THEN IT GOES, IT GOES BEHIND THE THE COURTHOUSE. AND THEN THEY'RE KIND OF JUST GO AROUND THE OTHER WAY. SO WHAT I CAN DO IS WE, WE CAN PROCEED ON WITH THIS AND THEN I CAN COME BACK AFTER LOOKING AT THAT AND SEE SUFFICIENT WILL AMEND THIS AND ADD THIS TO IT. GREAT. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT ROAD'S EVEN SMALLER OVER THERE. IT HAS A GOOD DIP ON THAT RIGHT THERE ON I THINK IT'S NASH, NASH AND DAUPHINE. THE LITTLE DIP RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO MCGINTY'S. OKAY. YES, SIR. I'D LIKE THAT ONE THERE TOO. THAT WAY THEY DON'T. I PASS IT AND GO AROUND THAT WAY. THANK YOU. SO AGAIN THIS IS DISCUSSION COUNCIL. SO I'M HEARING THAT WE'RE GOOD WITH STAFF MOVING FORWARD WITH THE ORDINANCE. WE MAY NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INPUT FROM SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT THAT ARE RIGHT. 
          GREAT. OKAY. AND WHEN WILL WE SEE THIS? AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. READY? YES. OKAY. YEAH. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO TO JUST DETER ANY BIG TRUCK WITH WITH THE CONDITIONS OF OUR ROADS AND THE AGING COMMUNITY. WE ARE AS IT RELATES TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND ROADS. I MEAN, TOWN NORTH IS LIKE A ROLLER COASTER. I REROUTE MY WHOLE ROUTE HOME AND I'M USING A NEW TRAIL VIEW ALL THE WAY OUT. IT'S JUST SO MUCH BETTER ON MY CAR AND MY FRONT END. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S OVERKILL TO JUST SAY YOU JUST DO WHATEVER YOU DO ON THE PERIMETER OF THE CITY STREETS. BUT WE OUGHT TO BE REALLY ENCOURAGING ALL THOSE HEAVY EQUIPMENT AND HEAVY TRUCKS TO BE, BECAUSE OUR ROADS ARE JUST IN THIS, RIGHT? JUST BAD REPAIR. 
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OKAY. THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD DISCUSSION. COUNCILMAN, DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING, PHIL? YEAH, JUST THE LAST COUPLE OF THINGS HERE. ONE, I'D LIKE TO SEE US EXPLORE. YOU KNOW, WHETHER THERE'S ANY SOLUTION WE COULD OR WE COULD REACH OUT TO SOME OF THESE GPS PROVIDERS. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO TO GIVE INPUT TO THEM. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ROUTING TRUCK TRAFFIC OR ANY TRAFFIC THROUGH OUR THROUGH OUR CITY, YOU KNOW, HAVE ANY INPUT ON THAT WITH WAZE OR GOOGLE. I THINK THERE IS A WAY TO DO THAT, BUT WE'D HAVE TO EXPLORE IT A BIT FURTHER. BUT ALSO REGARDING THE ENGINEERING PIECE, I WANTED TO MENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, I DO ACTUALLY DRIVE A FIRE ENGINE AND A FIRE ENGINE CAN NAVIGATE A, A ROUNDABOUT. I DO IT REGULARLY. SO JUST IF WE DO DECIDE THAT IS A POTENTIAL SOLUTION, IT IS SOMETHING THAT THAT EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT CAN CAN LIKELY NAVIGATE. I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE A DRIVER. YEAH. I WAS THINKING I WAS ON I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING WITH MAKING SURE WE COMMUNICATE THROUGH THE RIGHT CHANNELS SO THEY'LL KNOW BECAUSE I, I STILL DRIVE BIG EQUIPMENT AND YOU CAN BE IN A BAD SITUATION IN A TIGHT SPOT BEFORE YOU KNOW IT. 
          SO I KNOW THAT OUR STAFF WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEY GO THROUGH THE RIGHT CHANNELS TO NOTIFY EVERYBODY WITH THE IF WE MAKE THESE CHANGES. OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD DISCUSSION. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA 7.2. IT'S A A DISCUSSION ITEM COUNCIL. WE'RE GOING TO POSTPONE THIS UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING. NEXT. THEN. 7.3 DISCUSS PROGRESS REGARDING CURRENT STREET REPAIR EFFORTS AND FINALIZED PLAN FOR ONGOING STREET MAINTENANCE. CHRIS. BURNEY MARK, WHO ELSE WE NEED TO HEAR FROM ON THIS ITEM? RAYLAN, LET'S NOT LEAVE ANYBODY, OKAY? AND ARLEY, WHERE ARE YOU GOING? HE'S SNEAKING OUT. ALRIGHT, SO WHO'S FIRST? WHO'S ON FIRST? SO I'M GOING TO GO FIRST A LITTLE BIT. BASICALLY, THE THE INTENT OF TONIGHT IS, YOU KNOW, WE PASSED THE, THE ROAD REPAIR, THE STREET OVERLAY PROGRAM. ALL WE'RE DOING HERE TONIGHT IS BASICALLY GIVING YOU AN UPDATE WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE'RE HEADED TYPE OF THING. AFTER TONIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS MAP. AND THE WAY THIS MAP IS DONE IS IF THE ROAD IS COMPLETE, THEN IT TURNS WHITE. 
          SO THE INTENT IS TO SEE ALL THE COLORS GO AWAY AND ALL OF THEM BE WHITE. SO JUST A QUICK SMALL UPDATE. DISTRICT THREE. ALL THOSE ROADS ARE COMPLETE. SO WE HAVE TWO ROADS IN DISTRICT TWO THAT ARE COMPLETE. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED. YOU SEE WILLIAMS ROAD ON THERE. IT'S ABOUT 40% COMPLETE. IT'S NOT ALL THE WAY COMPLETE. THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE DONE BY TODAY. FOR THIS. BUT EQUIPMENT HAD FAILED. SO WE'RE WE'RE ABOUT 40% COMPLETE. THE INTENT HERE IS TO JUST BRIEFLY KEEP YOU UP TO DATE OF WHERE THE PROJECT IS, WHERE IT'S HEADED, AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS AT THE NEXT AGENDA, BUT IT'LL BE IN YOUR INFORMATION PACKET. WE WON'T MAKE A PRESENTATION, BUT ONE, WE'LL UPDATE IT SO YOU CAN HAVE BE AWARE OF WHERE THE ROADS ARE AND WHERE WHAT'S BEEN COMPLETED. SO. WE HAVE ABOUT 2.5 MILES TOTAL THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO DO IN THIS STREET OVERLAY. WE'VE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS. WE FOUND OUT SOME OF THE AREAS THE ROAD WAS IN BAD CONDITION, THAT IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE AN EXTENSIVE REPAIR. 
          AND AS WE RECALL IN THE WORKSHOP, HOW WE BUILD ROADS, REMEMBER WE GOT A SUBBASE AND ETC. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A FOUNDATION, THE WATER WILL JUST PENETRATE IT AND THEN IT JUST MUSHROOM OUT. SO ONE OF THE SECTIONS IN THERE, WE FOUND OUT IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE. SO WE RESHUFFLED THE DECK AND FROM THERE. SO THAT'S THE INTENT BEHIND THAT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE. YEAH. AS FAR AS JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COUNCIL AND ALSO OUR RESIDENTS, THIS IS BEING DONE IN LESS THAN 30 DAYS. THE PROJECT STARTED ON THE 12TH OF OCTOBER, AND WE'RE SCHEDULED CONTINGENT UPON WHETHER IT'S A COMPLETE THIS AROUND THE 5TH OF NOVEMBER. SO WE ARE EXCITED THAT CREWS ARE OUT THERE MAKING THIS. WE'RE ALSO TAKING PICTURES OF BEFORE AND AFTER. 
          SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO SHARE THIS WITH OUR COMMUNITY, THEIR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK FOR THEM. SO WITH THAT, AS WE MADE MENTION, WE'RE DOING 2.5 MILES, A LITTLE OVER $1 MILLION WAS THE BUDGET. 
          AND WE'RE ABLE TO, TO, TO HIT EVERY DISTRICT WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. OKAY. WELL, I THINK 
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FOR SOME OF THE COUNCIL, WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR IS AN UPDATE AS TO WHICH ONES HAVE BEGUN AND WHAT TIME FRAME THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN. I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THAT ON ANYTHING THAT WE PUT OUT PUBLICLY. WE PUT SUBJECT TO EQUIPMENT AVAILABILITY AND WEATHER CONDITIONS. THAT WAY IF WE MISS, THEY KNOW WHY. YEAH. OUR TENTATIVE SCHEDULE IS THAT WE HIT OCTOBER 12TH TO THE 16TH AS WE HIT DISTRICTS TWO AND THREE. OKAY, THE 19TH THROUGH THE 23RD OF OCTOBER, WE WERE HITTING THREE FOUR AND 526 TO THE 30TH DISTRICTS FOUR AND FIVE. AND THEN THE NOVEMBER 2ND THROUGH THE FIFTH DISTRICTS FOUR AND FIVE. SO THAT'S OUR TENTATIVE SCHEDULE THAT WE HAVE CONTINGENT UPON, AGAIN, WEATHER. OKAY, LET'S GET IT TO ALLISON. 
          I GUESS THOSE DATES AND THOSE ARE FIRM. YES, SIR. THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S THE COURSE THAT THE CONTRACT IS GOING FOR. GOT IT. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE I HAVE DRIVEN THROUGH MY DISTRICT AND BEEN HAPPILY SURPRISED AT THE WORK. SO PLEASE SAY THANK YOU TO THE CREWS THAT ARE DOING IT WITH THEIR CONTRACTOR OR OR NOT. IS IT IS IT CORRECT FOR ME TO SAY THAT I'M STILL THE YELLOW ON THE PICTURE? BUT MY MY DISTRICT TWO IS YELLOW? YES, YES, BLUE. 
          DISTRICT FIVE IS MAGENTA. I STILL HAVE YOUR. THERE YOU GO. YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY PURPLE. 
          THAT IS MORE LIKE AN ENGINEERING TERM. SO AND THEN IF WE HAVE ANY ROAD CLOSURES, IF WE COULD LET OUR PUBLIC KNOW THAT FROM THIS DAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ROAD CLOSURES. YES, PLEASE. YEAH. IT'S RIGHT THERE ON GROVE AND SAY, PHIL. WHAT HAPPENED? HE GOT MAD AT ME, DID I? HE'S LIKE, I'M HERE. I JUST I WAS HAVING SOME TECHNICAL ISSUES FOR A MOMENT. OKAY. WHAT DO YOU GOT? YEAH. I JUST WANT TO THANK STAFF IS I REQUEST THIS UPDATE BECAUSE I, I JUST KIND OF WANT TO SEE WHERE WE WERE WITH THE PROJECT AND KIND OF BUILD SOME EXCITEMENT ABOUT IT AS WELL. I'M VERY PLEASED TO LEARN THAT WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING AN EFFORT TO CELEBRATE OUR WIN HERE AND DOCUMENT THE BEFORE AND AFTER OF THESE STREETS. I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WITH REALLY ANY PUBLIC PROJECT. WE'RE DOING ANY PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT. I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR US TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PUT FORTH SOME COMMUNICATION TO THE CITIZENS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHY WE'RE DOING IT, AND THE GREAT THINGS THAT THEIR TAX DOLLARS ARE BRINGING, BRINGING FORTH FOR THEM. IN THIS CASE, I IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE PROGRESSING AT A, YOU KNOW, AT A GREAT RATE. 
          AND WHAT DID WE SAY WAS I HAD A LITTLE TROUBLE THERE FOR A MINUTE. DID WE DID WE GIVE A TIME AT WHICH WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD ALL BE COMPLETE? NOVEMBER 5TH. GREAT. SO WE'RE WE'RE ALMOST THERE. AND THEN YOU KNOW WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED, I THINK IN OUR, OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP THIS YEAR ABOUT KIND OF PUTTING TOGETHER OR HAVING A, A BETTER KIND OF PLAN FOR THE BUDGET TO KIND OF HAVE AN ONGOING, YOU KNOW, ONGOING MAINTENANCE FOR OUR STREETS. AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO KIND OF SEEING US. DO YOU KNOW, SIMILAR PROJECTS ON A YEARLY BASIS TO KIND OF STAY ON TOP OF THIS STUFF FOR THE ONES THAT ARE THAT DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN NEED OF MORE SIGNIFICANT REPAIRS. HAVE WE SORT OF, I GUESS WE'VE DOCUMENTED THOSE AND WE'RE KIND OF WE'RE GOING TO PUT FORTH A PLAN IN 2027 TO ADDRESS THOSE OR KIND OF HOW ARE WE HOW ARE WE LOOKING FORWARD FOR THOSE STREETS THAT KIND OF WERE PUT ON THE BACK BURNER BECAUSE OF NEEDING MORE EXTENSIVE REPAIRS? GREAT. GREAT QUESTION. COUNCILMAN. MR. MILLS, DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION OR SO YOU NEED TO BEAR WITH US JUST A LITTLE BIT. WE HAVE A BRAND NEW PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR WHO'S BEEN WITH US MAYBE THREE WEEKS NOW. ONCE HE GETS HIS FEET ON THE GROUND AND HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A FOUNDATION UNDER HIM, WE'RE GOING TO BE ACTUALLY WORKING ON A PRETTY EXTENSIVE CAPITAL CAPITAL PLAN AND REPRIORITIZING OUR STREETS AND LOOKING AT NOT JUST THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE AND THE OVERLAYS, BUT FULL RECONSTRUCTIONS. SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS. WE WILL WE ARE NOT YET IN THE PROCESS, BUT WE'LL BE IN THE PROCESS IN THE COMING MONTHS ON DETERMINING WHAT THIS CAPITAL PROGRAM WILL LOOK LIKE. 
          AND YOU SHOULD HAVE A PRETTY A PRETTY SOUND CAPITAL PLAN GOING INTO FY 28 THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IN THE LATE SPRING AND OVER THE SUMMER. OKAY. AND THEN SO AS, AS VARIOUS CITIZENS COME FORWARD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT, OH, WE'RE DOING THESE STREETS, INEVITABLY YOU HAVE CITIZENS COME FORWARD SAYING, WELL, WHAT ABOUT MY STREET? WHAT ABOUT THIS STREET? I'M SEEING OTHER THINGS. IF THEY COME FORWARD AND SAY SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, HEY, I'VE GOT POTHOLES ON MY STREET, WE DO. WE FEEL CONFIDENT. WE'RE ABLE TO DO SORT OF ONE OFF REPAIRS. WE HAVE THE BUDGET TO SAY, OKAY, WE'VE GOT POTHOLES HERE, WE'VE GOT SOME DAMAGE HERE. DO WE HAVE IT IN THE BUDGET TO ADDRESS THESE LITTLE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, ONE OFF ISSUES WITH VARIOUS STREETS AROUND TOWN. WE HAVE FUNDING IN 
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THE BUDGET. IT'S IT'S NOT UNLIMITED, BUT WE DO HAVE FUNDS IN THE BUDGET THAT WE CAN DO ONE OFF REPAIRS. WE HAD MONEY IN THE BUDGET THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY SPENDING, NOT JUST THAT WE JUST SPENT ON THE UTILITY CUT REPAIRS. WE HAVE THESE FUNDS, WE HAVE MONIES FOR POTHOLE REPAIRS. IN THE MANAGER NOTES. IN RECENT WEEKS, WE'VE BEEN INCLUDING A LISTING OF WHERE WE'RE DOING POTHOLE REPAIRS AND THAT TYPE OF WORK. SO SOME OF THAT IS ONGOING. SO WE DO HAVE FUNDS TO TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE NEEDS, NOT NEARLY TO THE EXTENT THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED NOR THE SPEED IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. BUT WE ARE WORKING WITHIN THE MEANS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US TO GET THAT DONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND TO ALL OF STAFF FOR MAKING THIS HAPPEN. I THINK IT'S THERE'S A LOT OF EXCITEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY. PEOPLE SEE US DOING THIS SORT OF ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND SEEING US KIND OF A BEGINNING TO DO MAKE, MAKE SOME OF THESE EFFORTS THAT THEY KIND OF THEY CLAMOR FOR MOST, MOST, MOST LOUDLY AND JUST EXCITED TO SEE IT HAPPEN. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT ITEM, 
          [8. BUSINESS ITEMS]
OUR BUSINESS ITEMS 8.1 DISCUSSION. CONSIDER RESOLUTION NUMBER 2349 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO COMPLETE NEGOTIATION AND EXECUTE FINAL HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX FUNDING AGREEMENTS WITH FOR FY 2027. RAGLAND. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL. DURING YOUR FISCAL YEAR 27 BUDGET WORKSHOP, SHE DID LOOK AT THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX FUND. WE AS STAFF COLLECTIVELY REQUESTED THAT EVERYONE RECEIVE NEW CONTRACTS THIS YEAR. I KNOW A LOT OF YOU HAVE PROBABLY HEARD, JUST CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THE RECENT LEGISLATIVE DISCUSSIONS. 
          THERE'S SOME HOT TOPICS AS FAR AS HOT FUNDS. AND SO WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK THIS BACK TO THE ORIGINAL SPECIFIC SCOPE OF SERVICES AND MAKING SURE THAT THE ENTITIES UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WILL BE REPORTING ON THOSE SIX TOURISM ITEMS. AND SO YOUR RECIPIENTS THIS YEAR, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, THE HERITAGE SOCIETY AND MUSEUM, THE NUMBER ONE BRITISH FLYING TRAINING SCHOOL MUSEUM, AND ALSO SPORTS TOURISM WITH YOUR PARKS DEPARTMENT. SO A FEW THINGS THAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD TO YOU. YOU'LL BE RECEIVING QUARTERLY REPORTS FROM ALL OF YOUR ENTITIES. THOSE WILL BE PUT IN THE CITY COUNCIL PACKETS, AND THEN THEY WILL ALSO BE SENDING BUDGETS FORWARD FOR YOUR REVIEW. SO WE'RE KIND OF WE'RE TRYING TO STREAMLINE AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME SCOPE AND CONTRACT MOVING FORWARD. WE DO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM EACH ONE OF THOSE ENTITIES HERE. I DID NOT ASK THEM TO PUT TOGETHER ANY PRESENTATIONS, BUT WE THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY WERE IN ATTENDANCE IN CASE YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS. SO AT THIS TIME, DO WE WANT TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL? YES, YES. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL ON THE HOT TAX? SEE, ANGIE? THE CHAMBER? YES. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND AGE, AND I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE THAT TO DRIVE. APPRECIATE YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT OF WHAT WE DO AT THE AT THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO PARTNERING MORE WITH THE CITY ABOUT SPORTS TOURISM AS WELL TO HELP BRING MORE, BECAUSE WE HEAR THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF TOURISM AND DOLLARS COMES FROM TOO. SO WE'RE GOING TO PARTNER WITH YOU GUYS AND CONTINUE THE EVENTS THAT WE ALWAYS DO. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT. HOLD ON ANGIE, SO YOU DON'T GET AWAY YET. I JUST WANTED TO PUBLICLY SAY THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT THE CHAMBER DOES WITH THE AUCTION. ALL THE OTHER MAYORS DON'T GET TO BOAST THAT THEIR CHAMBERS ARE DOING WHAT OURS IS. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK. I KNOW YOU'RE WORN OUT AND TIRED. IT'S ALWAYS HARD WHEN YOU FINISH THAT UP, BUT Y'ALL DID A WONDERFUL JOB. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IT WAS FUN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT, GUYS. YEP. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. 
          COUNCIL MEMBERS. DENNIS RUTLAND 2913 SUZANNE DRIVE, ROWLETT, TEXAS. I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF THE NUMBER ONE BFTS AND THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE CITY SUPPORT FOR OUR MUSEUM. WE FEEL LIKE IT'S A VALUABLE ASSET TO THE CITY, AND WE ARE ALREADY I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING SOME OF THESE THINGS ON A QUARTERLY BASIS. WE DO TRACK SOME OF OUR. WE DO TRACK OUR VISITORS. WE DON'T REPORT THAT QUARTERLY. WE USUALLY DO THAT ANNUALLY, BUT WE ARE ALREADY EXECUTING SOME OF THESE ITEMS. WE'RE GOING TO DO A LITTLE WORK ON HOW WE DO OUR METRICS FOR MARKETING AND TOURISM. BUT SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE GROUP TOURS THIS WEEKEND, LAST THURSDAY, WE HAD OUR 300TH YOUTH GROUP KID COME THROUGH ON 5 OR 6 SCHOOL GROUP TOURS. SO AND IT'S JUST OCTOBER, SO WE 
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HAVE A WAY TO GO YET. THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT. WE APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. THANK YOU DANIEL. 
          JESSICA. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. JESSICA KING, 611 NORTH PARK AVENUE. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE TORO HERITAGE MUSEUM. I APOLOGIZE, I AM ALSO EXHAUSTED. THE CHAMBER AUCTION WAS AMAZING, BUT THEY ALSO ARE STARTING CONSTRUCTION ON THE CARNEGIE TODAY. SO LOTS OF SAWS AND HAMMERS. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. IT HAS BEEN A VERY LONG THREE YEARS, A LABOR OF LOVE, BUT I. I APPRECIATE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. EVERY TIME YOU STEP INSIDE OF THAT MUSEUM. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD THROUGHOUT THE LAST THREE YEARS. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO FISCAL 27 WITH YOU GUYS. SO THANK YOU, JESSE. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, THANK YOU ALL FOR EXPANDING THE HOT FUNDS AND TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT. I THINK, BETWEEN THE CHAMBER AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, WE'VE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD IDEAS. AND SO I THINK THAT'LL BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THIS IS A DISCUSSION. CONSIDER RESOLUTION 2349. IS THERE A MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION TWO, 349 HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT TWO, A SECOND FROM PHIL ROBINSON, OUR DISTRICT FIVE REPRESENTATIVE, TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION 2349 RELATED TO OUR HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX FUNDING AGREEMENTS. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I. AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY TO PRESENT. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 8.2. 
          DISCUSS AND CONSIDER RESOLUTION 23 OF 52 AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE OF A LADDER TRUCK FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CHIEF LACROIX. 
          OKAY, I THINK WE'RE READY NOW. YES. LET'S DO. IT. I COME BEFORE YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS EVENING TO TALK ABOUT OUR FLEET REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE. YOU KNOW, THE THE DEPARTMENT UTILIZES A REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE THAT'S BASED ON NFPA RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH IS OUR INDUSTRY STANDARDS. AND WE USE TEN YEARS IN SERVICE, TEN YEARS RESERVE. YOU KNOW, THE SCHEDULE IS A CRUCIAL PART OF THAT OPERATIONAL EFFECTIVENESS AND FINANCIAL STEWARDSHIP, STEWARDSHIP, GUARANTEEING FLEET RELIABILITY AND PUBLIC SAFETY. YOU KNOW, OUR PLANNED SCHEDULE ENSURES THAT OUR FRONTLINE VEHICLES ARE REPLACED BEFORE THEY REACH A CLIFF OF MECHANICAL FAILURES, AGING APPARATUS, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCE EXTENDED DOWNTIMES AND ROUTINE BREAKDOWNS, WHICH CAN CAUSE SEVERE RESPONSE DELAYS, INCREASED LEGAL LIABILITY. IT FORCES RELIANCE ON NEIGHBORING CITIES FOR MUTUAL AID. AS FAR AS CONTROLLING EXPONENTIAL. MAINTENANCE COSTS, THE OPERATIONAL COST PER MILE SPIKES DRAMATICALLY AS OUR EQUIPMENT AGES. BUDGETING. FIRE TRUCKS ARE A MASSIVE CAPITAL EXPENDITURE, A PROACTIVE LONG TERM REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE ALLOWS THE DEPARTMENT TO FORECAST BUDGETARY NEEDS AND ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR EMERGENCY OVER BUDGET PURCHASES. 
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YOU KNOW, INCORPORATING MODERN SAFETY TECHNIQUES. TECHNOLOGY EVOLVES RAPIDLY. OLDER TRUCKS LACK MODERN CRITICAL SAFETY FEATURES SUCH AS ADVANCED ROLLOVERS, STABILITY CONTROL, AIRBAGS, ENCLOSED CAB DESIGNS, AND CLEAN BURNING EMISSIONS. YOU KNOW, STICKING TO A REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE ENSURES THAT FIREFIGHTERS ARE PROTECTED FOR BY CONTEMPORARY, CONTEMPORARY AUTOMOBILE, AUTOMOTIVE AND STRUCTURAL SAFETY STANDARDS. YOU KNOW, PROTECTING THE COMMUNITY'S ISO RATING. YOU KNOW, THE. ISO, YOU KNOW, EVALUATES FIRE DEPARTMENT'S ENGINE CAPABILITIES. IT LOOKS AT AGE, ITS RESERVE FLEET STATUS TO DETERMINE WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S PROTECTIVE CLASSIFICATION IS, YOU KNOW, POORLY MAINTAINED OR AGED VEHICLE CAN DEGRADE THE RATING SYSTEM. SO THIS IS OUR REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE FOR OUR EXISTING ENGINES THAT WE HAVE. NOW. GO AHEAD. SO YOU SEE THE THE ONE THAT'S UP IS OUR 2017 TRUCK OR QUINT. THE SMEAL. IT WENT IN SERVICE IN 2017. SO THE TEN YEAR MARK IS IS NOW 2027. 
          SO IT WOULDN'T BE REPLACED. IT WOULD JUST MOVE TO RESERVE STATUS. YOU HAVE YOUR PHONE IN YOUR POCKET ALL. THERE WE GO. TRUCK. SO THIS EXISTING LADDER TRUCK, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE RECORDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IN 2026, WE SPENT APPROXIMATELY $100,000 ALREADY ON THIS TRUCK. AND OUR SERVICE FOR 72 DAYS. IT'S NOW OVER 82,888 MILES, HAS MORE THAN 8990 HOURS. SO THE PURCHASE OF A NEW FIRE TRUCK WILL ALLOW FOR THE DEPARTMENT'S CURRENT 2017 IN-SERVICE MEAL, WHICH IS 105 FOOT QUINT LADDER MOVED TO RESERVE STATUS. WE PUT TOGETHER AGAIN A SIX PERSON COMMITTEE. AND MADE A FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS, THOUGH THIS IS MARTIN PIERCE CUSTOM VELOCITY AERIAL THE TANDEM PUCK 105 HD LADDER TRUCK QUINT. WILL HAVE A RESCUE BODY STYLE. 1500 GPM PUMP AND A WATER TANK CAPACITY OF 500 GALLONS. PROTOCOLS 2.4. 
          MILLION DOLLARS. YES. YEAH. YOU JUST KEEP GOING. YEP. OKAY. SO WHAT WOULD BE DUE IN FY 27 IS $373,099. THAT TAKES CARE OF OUR LOOSE EQUIPMENT. UPON DELIVERY, WE'RE LOOKING AT 2,000,120 809. OUR LEAD TIME. WE'RE LOOKING AT 12 TO 15 MONTHS. THIS IS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING WITH A UNIT THAT'S ALREADY IN LINE. SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CUSTOMIZING THAT GOES ON. THERE'S WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CUSTOMIZING THAT WE CAN DO, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE TRYING TO BUILD ONE LIKE WE DID THE OTHER TWO TRUCKS, TWO ENGINES THAT DO WE ASK QUESTIONS NOW OR LATER. 
          ALMOST. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS, IS TO ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER THE RESOLUTION TO 
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COMMIT FOR A PURCHASE OR A PIERCE CUSTOM VELOCITY 105 AERIAL LADDER TRUCK. WHEN ALLOW FOR THE DEPARTMENT. 2017 LADDER TRUCK TO MOVE TO A RESERVE STATUS. AND THAT'S A MATTER OF RESOLUTION. 2352 ALL RIGHT. CHIEF. YEAH. CHIEF. SO YOU HAD MENTIONED ABOUT THE CUSTOMIZATION OF THE FIRE TRUCK. IF WE DID THAT, WHAT TIME FRAME ARE WE LOOKING AT AND WHAT IS IT NOT AN OPTION BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION OF OUR CURRENT VEHICLE OR IS IT COST. TIME. IT CAN BE UP TO THREE YEARS OUT. YEAH. SEE. YEAH. NO WE CAN'T DO THAT. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT AN OPTION REALLY. YEAH. BUT THERE'S ENOUGH CUSTOMIZATION THAT WE CAN DO THAT WE CAN MAKE IT WELL FOR OUR DEPARTMENT. AND THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION IS IF WE'RE GOING TO ORDER ONE, I DON'T WANT TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO BECAUSE OF THE COST, SOMETHING WE JUST SETTLE ON. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIT THE NEEDS OF THIS COMMUNITY AND SERVICE TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. ONE, ONE OF THE ESSENTIAL THINGS THAT WE DO AS MAYOR AND COUNCIL IS WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS. AND PART OF THAT IS THE REPLACEMENT OF EQUIPMENT. THAT'S END OF LIFE FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE COMING TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND SAY, HEY, WHEN WE ORDER THIS $2.4 MILLION. PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, THAT IT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE OKAY WITH IT. YEAH. I THINK ANOTHER THING TO UNDERSTAND IS THE ONE THAT'S IN SERVICE NOW, THE 2017, WE'RE NOT REPLACING IT. IT JUST MOVES TO A RESERVE STATUS, RIGHT. 
          WHICH MEANS IT'S IT WON'T BE RUN THERE AS MUCH AND WE'LL GET THE LONGEVITY OUT OF THE NEXT TEN YEARS. BUT IF WE SPEND 100 AND OVER $100,000, ALMOST $200,000 ON MAINTENANCE, IS THAT A YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ANNUAL EXPENSE TO YOU TO GO DOWN ONCE IT GOES INTO IT, BECAUSE WE WON'T BE USING IT AS OFTEN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THERE'S ANOTHER BENEFIT. FOR THE RIGHT FOR HAVING A LADDER TRUCK IN RESERVE. OKAY. WE'VE NEVER HAD BEFORE. YEAH. AND THE ISO RATING COUNCIL IS FOR THE INSURANCE AND WHAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE PAYING. WHAT ARE WE CURRENTLY. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SHOULD WE DEFER TO OUR FIREMEN AND LET HIM ASK QUESTIONS AT FIRST? I DO HAVE SOME SOME QUESTIONS. OKAY. JUST A COUPLE OF OF THINGS I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME CLARITY ON. WHY DO WE TYPICALLY OPT FOR A QUINT IN THESE CASES AS OPPOSED TO A STANDARD LADDER TRUCK? I KNOW THAT YOU CAN HAVE SOME POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL COSTS INCURRED WITH BOTH THE PUMP AND THE LADDER. AND I KNOW QUINT USUALLY COSTS, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN 1.1 TO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 2.3. WE'RE KIND OF ON THE HIGH END OF THAT WITH THIS. I'M ASSUMING BECAUSE OF SOME CUSTOMIZATIONS WE'VE MADE, I'D LIKE TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CUSTOMIZATIONS ARE THAT WE'VE HAD TO DO SPECIFICALLY FOR TERRELL TO, TO DRIVE THE COST TO THAT POINT, AND ALSO WHY WE'VE OPTED FOR QUINT AS OPPOSED TO A LADDER TRUCK. QUINT ALLOWS US, YOU KNOW, THE OPTION OF RUNNING IT AS AN ENGINE OR A TRUCK. WHEREAS MAYBE IF YOU'RE IN DALLAS, YOU CAN RUN A LADDER TRUCK AND AN ENGINE TOGETHER, WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO STAFF BOTH. BOTH OF THEM. WE CAN JUST STAFF ONE AND STILL GET THE SAME, SAME JOB DONE. OKAY, OKAY, SO ARE WERE THE TRUCK THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING IN SERVICE IS GOING TO BE IN LIEU OF HAVING AN ENGINE STACK. YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING MORE BANG FOR OUR BUCK BY HAVING THE ONE APPARATUS WITH, WITH THE FOUR FIREMEN ON IT. 
          YES, BECAUSE IT CAN GO EITHER WAY. IT CAN OPERATE AS A TRUCK OR IT CAN OPERATE AS AN ENGINE. 
          IS THAT WHAT A QUINT MEANS? YEAH. SO IT'S A ENGINE WITH A LADDER? YES. IT'S BASICALLY THAT. YEAH. IT'S IT'S I THINK IT HAS FIVE FUNCTIONS, A LADDER, A WATER. THAT'S WHY IT'S QUINT. 
          IT'S AERIAL LADDER, WATER PUMP, WATER TANK, GROUND LADDERS AND SUPPLY HOSE, I BELIEVE IS THE FIVE. RIGHT. BUT YEAH, IT'S A TYPICAL ENGINE WOULD HAVE A PUMP. A TYPICAL TRUCK WOULD HAVE NO PUMP WOULD HAVE LADDERS. AND THIS COMBINES BOTH I I'LL LET CHIEF EXPLAIN FURTHER, BUT I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHY I THINK A TYPICAL QUINT. THIS IS KIND OF ON THE HIGH END OF COST FOR A TYPICAL QUINT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT. MAYBE THE COSTS HAVE GONE UP SINCE I LAST LOOKED AT IT, BUT IS THERE SOMETHING WE'RE DOING TO CUSTOMIZE IT TO MAKE IT A 
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LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE NORM? NOT NOT NO, IT'S IT'S A PRETTY STANDARD PACKAGE THAT WE'RE GOING WITH. THE ONLY CUSTOMIZATION IS JUST, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WHERE WE PUT CERTAIN THINGS, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT DESIGNS ON THE. THE OUTSIDE TO CARRY THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE CARRY. SO WE COULD GET A TRUCK THAT IS NOT A QUINT. FOR LESS. DOES THE LADDER TRUCK GO TO EVERY CALL OR IS IT CERTAIN CALLS? WHAT KIND OF CALLS WOULD THIS TRUCK GO TO? IT RUNS. IT RUNS AS A ENGINE COMPANY MOST OF THE TIME, 90% OF THE TIME WHERE THE LADDER COMES IN IS IF WE HAVE A STRUCTURE FIRE, BECAUSE IT GIVES US THAT ELEVATION. SO THAT'S 10% OF THE TIME. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THAT TRUCK AS A LADDER? YEAH, 10% OF THE TIME. AND IT'S DOUBLE THE COST PLUS. OKAY. IS THIS NEW APPARATUS IN OUR 27 BUDGET, THE MONEY THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, I THAT MIGHT BE A MARK MARK QUESTION. WE TALKED WITH YOU ALL ABOUT THIS DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP. THIS IS AN ITEM THAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY FUND THROUGH THE ISSUANCE OF CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION. IT'D BE DEBT FUNDED. OKAY. AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD TELL THE COUNCIL, LOOK, YOU'RE OUT. IT'S GOING TO BE 12 TO 15 MONTHS BEFORE DELIVERY. BUT IF YOU DON'T PULL THE TRIGGER NOW AND GO AHEAD, IT, IT'S AVAILABLE, RIGHT. IT'S IN LINE. SO TIME. 
          BUT IF WE DELAY YOU'RE LOOKING AT HIGHER COST IN THE FUTURE. I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER GOING TO COME BACK DOWN. WHAT ARE WE GOING DOWN. IT'S GOING I KNOW IT'S I KNOW WE HAVE HEARTBURN AND HEARTACHE ABOUT SPENDING THAT KIND OF MONEY FOR EQUIPMENT. BUT THE CHIEF IS SAYING THAT THIS IS A NEED, NOT A WANT, RIGHT? IT NEEDS NEEDS TO, NEEDS TO. THE DEPARTMENT NEEDS THE THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, HEARTBURN IS SPENDING DOUBLE THE AMOUNT. IF IT'S SOMETHING WE USE 10% OF THE TIME. THAT'S MY CONCERN. 
          THE ISSUE THAT YOU RUN INTO IS COVERING THAT 10% OF THE TIME, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE ARE ESSENTIALLY RUNNING THREE ENGINES. ONE OF THEM JUST HAPPENS TO HAVE A LADDER ON THE ENGINE. SO TO COVER 90%, WE NEED TO RUN THREE ENGINES. THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT YOU NEED THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT HAS THE LADDER TO COVER THE 10% WE CAN'T BE WITHOUT. SO WHAT THEY DO IS THEY ORDER, THEY PURCHASE THE QUINT. SO THEY HAVE A TRUCK THAT CAN FILL BOTH ROLES, AND IT RUNS AS AN ENGINE AND THEN FILLS IN THAT 10% GAP THAT WE HAVE WHEN, WHEN THE LADDER IS NEEDED, INSTEAD OF HAVING AN ENGINE AND GOING OUT AND BUYING A LADDER. SO IF YOU'RE SPENDING $1 MILLION ON ON AN ENGINE AND ANOTHER $1.5 MILLION IN LADDER TRUCK, YOU'RE STILL SPENDING THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY TO. BUT NOW YOU HAVE TO EITHER STAFF BOTH PIECES OF EQUIPMENT OR HAVE THE CREW THAT'S FLOPS BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE ENGINE AND THE TRUCK. AND NOW YOU'VE GOT TWO PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT ARE SITTING THERE THAT HAVE TO BE FUELED, HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED, HAVE TO BE INSURED, HAVE TO BE TRAINED ON. WE'LL GET ABOUT THE SAME LIFE OUT OF THIS TRUCK AS WE HAD THE 2017. SO WHAT IT'LL GET MAYBE ABOUT TEN YEARS. YEAH. 
          TYPICALLY THEY RUN THEM TEN YEARS FRONTLINE AND TEN YEAR RESERVE. SO THE EXISTING LADDER TRUCK IS GOING TO BE WITH US ANOTHER TEN YEARS. WHERE IS IT GOING TO BE PARKED. THE IT'S STATION THREE. OKAY. THE RESERVE. WE HAVE ROOM FOR IT TO GO. SO THE QUINT GETS US TWO FOR ONE. YES. PRETTY MUCH YES. ENGINE WITH A LADDER WITH ONE CREW RATHER THAN THE SAME CREW. 
          YEAH. SO THAT IS A COST SAVINGS. FROM A STAFFING STANDPOINT, RIGHT. GO WITH. OKAY. AND THIS IS NOT AN OFF THE SHELF. NO. OKAY. ISN'T THIS THE COMPANY THAT. DO YOU TRUST THIS COMPANY? YEAH. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT WE PURCHASED OUR TWO ENGINES FROM YOU. AND THEY'VE PERFORMED WELL, HAD REAL GOOD SUCCESS. THEY DID OKAY. THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO SAVE IT. OKAY. ANY ANY MORE QUESTIONS? JUST ENTRUSTING YOU WITH OUR WITH YOUR OPINION, SIR. THANK YOU. OKAY. THIS IS RESOLUTION 2352. THANK YOU CHIEF FOR FOR PRESENTATION MOTION ON ITEM 8.2. RESOLUTION 
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2352. I MOVE THAT WE CONSIDER THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 2352 AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE OF A LADDER TRUCK FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, A MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT TWO, A SECOND FROM STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS OR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT FOUR TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2352 AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE OF A LADDER TRUCK FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I, I, I ANY OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES TO ALL THOSE PRESENT. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 8.3. 
          DISCUSS AND CONSIDER RESOLUTION 2353 DECLARING THE NECESSITY FOR THE ACQUISITION OF CERTAIN THIRD PARTY PROPERTY RIGHTS AND INTERESTS, INCLUDING RIGHTS OF WAYS, EASEMENTS AND CONSENTS NECESSARY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE OFFSITE WATER, WASTEWATER AND OTHER PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THE TERRA NOVA DEVELOPMENT. RICHLAND. WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A RESOLUTION THAT SIMPLY RESTATES SECTION 10.5 OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH TERRA NOVA, WHICH SIMPLY STATED THAT ONCE THE DEVELOPER HAS MADE EVERY ACTION POSSIBLE TO ACQUIRE RIGHT OF WAY AND EASEMENT, THAT HE WOULD THEN NOTIFY THE CITY AND THE CITY HAS THE RIGHT TO GO IN UNDER WHAT MEANS THAT THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US TO MAKE SURE THAT THE THOROUGHFARES AND EASEMENTS ARE ALSO ARE OBTAINED. THIS WOULD BE 100% REIMBURSABLE BY THE DEVELOPER. AND JUST INTIMATE DOMAIN REALLY IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND THAT'S NOT OUT OF THE ORDINARY. RIGHT. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR RYLAN. AGAIN THIS IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 2353. IS THERE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2353. HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MAYOR PRO TEM FROM DISTRICT TWO, DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, A SECOND FROM DISTRICT THREE, REPRESENTATIVE JORGE VARGAS TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2353 AS PRESENTED. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I, I I ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS. 8.4 DISCUSSION. CONSIDER RESOLUTION 2353. I'M AT 2354. AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE, FINALIZE, EXECUTE AND ADMINISTER NECESSARY DOCUMENTS IN CONNECTION WITH THE CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE AIRCRAFT HANGAR AT TERRELL MUNICIPAL AIRPORT. RAYLAN. OH, NO IT'S NOT. I'M READING NOTES. 
          I'M READING NOTES. I'M NOT, I'M NOT. CHRIS, I APOLOGIZE. YOU UPGRADED ME TO A COMPLIMENT THERE, SO I'LL TAKE IT. WHAT? THIS IS COUNCIL AND MAYOR, AS YOU RECALL, I CAME BACK TO YOU ABOUT THE AIRPORT THAT WE WERE GOING TO BUILD A 12,000 SQUARE FOOT COMMUNITY HANGAR, ALONG WITH A 3000 FOOT, 3000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. AND THIS IS THE SAME AGREEMENT. HOWEVER, THIS IS BASICALLY THE NAME OF THE COMPANY TO CLEAN UP. THE PAPERWORK IS CLOUD NINE. SO. SO THIS IS THE SAME SCOPE OF WORK THAT YOU HAVE TO TURN THE MICROPHONE ON. OKAY. IT'S TOUGH BEING AT THE TOP WHERE THE CRANE IS, SO WE'LL JUST TAKE IT AT THAT. SO THIS IS BRINGING THIS FORWARD TO CLEAN UP THE PAPERWORK AND THE CONTRACTUAL WORK. AS YOU RECALL, IT'S WITH APEX. IT'S STILL WITH THE SAME COMPANY. THIS IS JUST MAKING THEM AWARE THE LEGAL NAME BECOMES CLOUD NINE. OKAY. YEAH, JUST CLEANING IT UP AND COUNCIL'S REVIEWED IT. SO WE'RE GOOD. YES, YES. ALRIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY MOTION FOR RESOLUTION NUMBER 2354. MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2354. HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND. SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION FROM PHIL ROBERTSON OR DISTRICT FIVE REPRESENTATIVE A SECOND FROM STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS, OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM FROM DISTRICT FOUR, TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2354 AS PRESENTED. 
          IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 8.5 DISCUSSION. 
          AND CONSIDER ENTERING INTO AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF MESQUITE FOR COMMERCIAL DRIVER'S LICENSE. CDL TRAINING. KURT. NO. THIS. SAYS KURT CASSIDY. I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW, 
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WELL, I KNOW, BUT Y'ALL KEEP SWITCHING ON ME. I KNOW MY MY APOLOGIES. SO ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD. 
          THIS GIVES ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRAG ON KURT. OKAY, HE'S BEEN HERE TWO WEEKS AND HE'S ALREADY GOT US A COST SAVING MEASURE WITH THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF OF MESQUITE. 
          YOU WANT TO GO OVER A FEW HIGHLIGHTS OF WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A CDL? I THINK PROBABLY TWO YEARS AGO OR A YEAR AND A YEAR AGO, WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A CDL PROGRAM IN PLACE. WE DID HAVE SOME EMPLOYEES THAT HAD CERTIFICATION, BUT THAT WAS VERY LIMITED BECAUSE OF THE COST OF THAT. OBTAINING THAT LICENSE WAS ROUGHLY RIGHT AROUND 7000. ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WE WENT OUT AND WE FOUND ONE FOR ABOUT $3,500 FOR A CDL TRAINING. SO WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT BARGAIN. SO I'VE GOT AN EVEN BETTER BARGAIN THAT WON'T BUY YOU A FIRE TRUCK OR A QUINT, BUT IT'S GOING TO SAVE US SOME MONEY AND GET PEOPLE CERTIFIED, WHICH WILL FULFILL ONE OF OUR STRATEGIC PRIORITIES OF BUILDING AND SUSTAINING A WELL TRAINED AND ENGAGED STAFF. SO JUST LET ME TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME HIGHLIGHTS ABOUT THIS PROGRAM. FIRST, THIS AGREEMENT PROVIDES THE CITY OF TERRELL WITH ACCESS TO THE CITY OF MESQUITE'S FULLY ESTABLISHED AND DPS COMPLIANT CDL TRAINING PROGRAM. MESQUITE ALREADY HAS A CERTIFIED THIRD PARTY SKILLS TESTERS AUTHORIZED BY THE STATE TO ADMINISTER THE COMPLETE CDL SKILLS AND KNOWLEDGE EXAMINATION. THIS GIVES OUR EMPLOYEES IMMEDIATE, RELIABLE, HIGH QUALITY PATHWAY TO OBTAINING THEIR CDL WITHOUT US HAVING TO BUILD A PROGRAM OURSELF OR PAY HIGHER COSTS TO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. THIS AGREEMENT OR THIS PAYMENT IS ROUGHLY ABOUT $1,500 THAT WE WOULD PAY THE CITY OF MESQUITE FOR ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES TO GO TO THAT, WHERE IT COST US ORIGINALLY $3,500. JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. THE UNIQUE ASPECT OF THIS IS NOT ONLY WILL THEY GO THROUGH THE TESTING PROCESS, BUT THEY ALSO WILL BRING THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT THEY OPERATE ON OUR STREETS TO BE TRAINED IN THAT AND ALSO TO PASS THAT EXAMINATION. SO AGAIN, WE'RE SEEING AT A COST SAVINGS ROUGHLY ABOUT 2000, WHICH WILL GIVE US MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR STREET DEPARTMENT, OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, TO HAVE THAT CDL CLASS, A CERTIFICATION TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE OUR OUR EQUIPMENT. SO WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS ENTERING INTO THIS LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF MUSKEGON. AGAIN, IT JUST SHOWS YOU HOW MUNICIPALITIES ARE LOOKING TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE THE TAX DOLLARS OF THEIR CITIZENS. AND OUR CITIZENS WORK BEST FOR OUR ORGANIZATION. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. LET ME JUST POINT OUT, IT IS A PROCESS. AGAIN, ONCE WE GO INTO THIS AGREEMENT, IT RENEWS EVERY YEAR. 
          FOR SOME REASON, IF THIS THING DIDN'T WORK, YOU DO HAVE A 30 DAY OPPORTUNITY TO GET OUT WRITTEN NOTICE 30 DAYS IN, YEAR OUT. SO JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT AS WELL. OH, GOOD. I THINK ANYTIME WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH. ANY ENTITY, WHETHER IT'S ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY OR IT'S THE COUNTY AND, AND YOU KNOW, MESQUITE NOW HAS SOME. THEY REACH INTO KAUFMAN COUNTY, BUT DAN ALLMAN, WHO'S THE MAYOR OVER THERE, IS I NEED TO REACH OUT, TELL HIM THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH THE CITY AND. RIGHT. YES, SIR. OKAY. I CAN DO THAT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES. ROUGHLY HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DO WE HAVE THAT NEED CLASS A, CDL TO PERFORM THE JOB SAFELY? RIGHT NOW WE HAVE OUR STAFF THAT CERTIFIES. SO PART OF OUR PROGRAM AS FAR AS OPPORTUNITY FOR ADVANCEMENT. THIS WOULD BE PART OF THAT. SO ROUGHLY WE'VE GOT SEVEN OF THEM THAT HAVE THEIR CDL TRAINING ALREADY RIGHT NOW. THERE'S ADDITIONALLY, WE HAD PUT IN THE BUDGET FOR POTENTIALLY SEVEN MORE TO GO THIS YEAR. SO THAT KIND OF MORE OR LESS DOUBLES IT. 
          SO WE'RE PUTTING IN A PROGRAM TO WHERE YOUR CERTIFICATION AS FAR AS YOUR WATER LICENSE, WASTEWATER LICENSE, AS WELL AS YOUR CDL. SO YOU HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY, BUT NOT ONLY PROFESSIONAL ADVANCEMENT WITHIN PAY, BUT ALSO WE HAVE A QUALIFIED AND, YOU KNOW, FAR AS A KNOWLEDGEABLE STAFF THAT WE HAVE, OKAY, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JUST A LOT OF EMPLOYEES. 
          IT'S GOING TO NEED A CDL CLASS A TO PERFORM THEIR JOB DUTIES. CORRECT. OKAY. AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT PERFORMING JOB DUTIES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BERNIE AND I AND NOW KURT ARE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE PUTTING PROGRAMS IN PLACE SO THAT IF YOU HAVE A CREW LEADER THAT PROMOTES OR LEADS THE ORGANIZATION, WE'RE ABLE TO PROMOTE THE EQUIPMENT OPERATOR, 
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AND THEN WE'RE ABLE TO PROMOTE THE MAINTENANCE WORKER THAT WAY. THE ONLY THING THAT WE REALLY SHOULD BE HIRING IS MAINTENANCE WORKERS, SO THAT WE CAN PROMOTE FROM WITHIN AND DEVELOP THOSE INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION AND GROW OUR OWN. AND WHAT THIS ALLOWS IS INDIVIDUALS THAT MAY NOT NEED A CDL TO PERFORM THE ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS OF THEIR JOB, WILL GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE CERTIFICATION SO THAT WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY PRESENTS ITSELF FOR THEM TO MOVE UP, THEY'RE QUALIFIED AND READY TO GO. IS THERE ANY STRINGS ATTACHED WHERE THEY JUST WANT TO GET THE CDL AND LEAVE? WE'RE JUST DOING IT FOR THEM SO THEY CAN. YEAH. 
          GREAT QUESTION. THAT'S PART OF OUR STEM. YES, MA'AM. THAT'S PART OF OUR MAINTENANCE WORKER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. YOU KNOW, YOU COME HERE, YOU'RE 30 DAYS. WE GIVE YOU A CDL. NEXT THING YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DRIVING FOR FEDEX. WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT DOING THAT. WE'RE LOOKING AT GIVING OUR EMPLOYEES AN OPPORTUNITY, A PATH FORWARD THAT YOU COME HERE, YOU PUT IN A YEAR OR TWO YEARS, THEN YOU'RE ELIGIBLE TO GO FOR. IF YOU ALREADY HAVE A CLASS D, YOU CAN GO FOR A CLASS C AND THAT MAKES YOU ELIGIBLE FOR A CDL. SO WE INVEST WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. IT GIVES THAT YOU'RE CREATING THAT ENVIRONMENT OF A PATH FORWARD. AND I'VE SAID IT A LOT. IT'S YOU HAVE A PROFESSIONAL WORKING STAFF, BUT TO THE COUNCILWOMAN, IS THERE A WAY LEGAL FOR US TO TELL THE EMPLOYEE, LOOK, WE DON'T MIND PAYING YOU FOR YOUR CDL, BUT YOU GOT TO COMMIT TO THREE YEARS. OR YOU REIMBURSE, YOU CAN PUT THAT IN A CONTRACT. BUT MOST OF THE TIME THE COURTS SAY THOSE ARE PRETTY MUCH UNENFORCEABLE. I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT SAYS THAT IF THEY LEFT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, THEY HAVE TO REIMBURSE YOU THE AMOUNT OF MONEY. BUT EVEN THEN, MOST OF THE TIME THE COURTS HAVE SAID THOSE ARE CONSIDERED KIND OF UNREASONABLE RESTRAINTS ON EMPLOYMENT OR WHATEVER. SO THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE THEM ARE DIFFICULT. BUT I HAVE HAD CITIES THAT HAVE DONE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A BENEFIT, JUST STAY HERE FOR SO LONG. AND IF YOU DON'T, THEN YOU HAVE TO PAY BACK BENEFITS. I'M ALL FOR EMPLOYEES IMPROVING THEMSELVES. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T NEED THEM TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE CITY. THOSE ARE TAXPAYER DOLLARS THAT WE'RE SPENDING TO INVEST IN THEM. AND I HATE TO DO THAT AND THEN LOSE THEM. WELL, AND THERE WOULD BE A PREREQUISITE. THIS ISN'T SOMETHING WHERE YOU START. AND IN TWO WEEKS WE'RE GOING TO SEND YOU TO GET YOUR CDL. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE AN INVESTMENT IN IN THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE BEEN HERE AND GIVEN US SOME LEVEL OF SERVICE BEFORE WE'RE ALLOWED, BEFORE WE EVEN ALLOW YOU TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM. SO THERE'S BEEN SOME THOUGHT TO IT. THAT'S GOOD. 
          THAT'S ALL I NEED. THAT'S ALL WE NEED. YEAH. RIGHT. IT'S THE SAME WAY YOU'RE ELIGIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE WORKERS. YOU HAVE A MAINTENANCE WORKER, ONE, MAINTENANCE WORKER TWO, AND YOU HAVE A CREW, AN OPERATOR. THEN YOU HAVE A CREW LEADER. AND WITHIN THAT, IT'S NOT, IT'S MORE OF A YEAR, TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT CERTIFICATION. SO IT PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY. AND HONESTLY, I'LL SAY THIS AS FAR AS A DIRECTOR AND ALSO AS A STAFF MEMBER, WHEN YOU'RE INVESTING WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY, WE'RE CREATING THAT CULTURE THAT THEY WANT TO BE HERE, THEY WANT TO STAY HERE. AND IT'S THAT PRIDE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, WE WANT TO WE ARE GOING TO PUT THE BEST PRODUCT WE CAN ON THE STREETS, AND IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY A BADGE OF HONOR WHEN WE'VE GOT OTHER CITIES THAT COME AND TRY TO TAKE OUR STAFF MEMBERS BECAUSE WE'RE DOING IT NOT NOT JUST THE HALFWAY, BUT WE'RE DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY. WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO BE THE AS I'VE HEARD THE MAYOR SAY THIS BEFORE, AND WHENEVER PEOPLE COME, THEY WANT TO KNOW HOW IT'S DONE. THEY LOOK AT THE CITY OF TERRELL. AND THEN THAT'S HOW WE'RE NOT ONLY DOING THAT WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE'RE DOING THAT WITH OUR STAFF. GOOD. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO I'D LIKE TO SAY, BERNIE, THAT I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO ADDING TO THE TRAINING OF OUR STAFF THAT IT'S IT'S BEARING FRUIT. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YES. THANK IN REGARDS TO THAT TOO. I CDL TRAINING IS ITS MOST EXPENSIVE, AND I HOPE THAT A LOT OF THE EMPLOYEES THAT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND STICK WITH US. SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD SAVINGS. YOU KNOW, YOU DO SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE REQUIRING CDL LICENSE THESE DAYS. HOPEFULLY THEY DON'T STAY LONG. SO. ALRIGHT, SO WHAT COUNCIL? WHAT WE NEED IS APPROVAL OF ENTERING INTO THE LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF MESQUITE FOR COMMERCIAL DRIVER'S LICENSE, CDL TRAINING. 
          IS THERE A MOTION? MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF TERRELL WITH MESQUITE FOR CDL. WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS, OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT FOUR, SECOND FROM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, OUR MAYOR PRO TEM FROM DISTRICT TWO, TO APPROVE THE ENTERING INTO AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF MESQUITE FOR COMMERCIAL DRIVER'S LICENSE TRAINING. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I, I, I ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. ALL THOSE 
          [9. INFORMATION REPORTS]
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PRESENT. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA ARE RECEIVED. STAR TRANSIT RE RIDERSHIP REPORTS. 
          COUNCIL. I'D ASK FOR YOU TO REACH OUT TO STAFF IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT REPORT. 
          [10. ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 551 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING]
AT THIS TIME WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION FIVE FIVE, ONE OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, TO DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING SECTION 551.071 CONSULTATIONS WITH ATTORNEY. SECTION 551.074 PERSONNEL MATTERS. SECTION 551.087 DELIBERATIONS REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS. WE ARE NOW IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL RECONVENE IN THE REGULAR SESSION AND CONSIDER 
          [11. RECONVENE INTO REGULAR SESSION AND CONSIDER ACTION, IF ANY, ITEMS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.]
ACTION, IF ANY, ON ITEMS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION? YES, MAYOR. I HAVE A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WITH ROSE HILL SPECIAL UTILITY DISTRICT. PURSUANT TO THE TERMS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. OKAY. IS THERE'S A MOTION IS THERE A SECOND, A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION FROM JORGE VARGAS, DISTRICT THREE, SECOND FROM STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS, OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM FROM DISTRICT FOUR, TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO CONTINUE WITH OR RESOLVE, NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE THE ROSE HILL. ISSUE. RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SETTLEMENT? IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING AYE. AYE. ANY O
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