Jul 07, 2026 City Council

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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THIS TIME, THE MAYOR WILL CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR 6 P.M. ON TUESDAY, JULY 7TH OF 2026, AND THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 201 EAST NASH STREET, TERRELL, TEXAS, HAVE ON THE DAIS WITH US. OUR DISTRICT TWO REPRESENTATIVE, DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, OUR MAYOR PRO TEM. WE ALSO HAVE DISTRICT THREE, JORGE VARGAS. WE HAVE DISTRICT FOUR, STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS, OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM AND NOT WITH US, BUT ON HIS WAY. AND HE SHOULD ARRIVE SHORTLY. IT IS DISTRICT FIVE. PHIL ROBERSON AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK YOU TO PLEASE STAND FOR INVOCATION. REMAIN STANDING FOR PLEDGES. COUNCILWOMAN, WOULD YOU PLEASE LEAD US IN PRAYER? HEAVENLY FATHER, IN THE NAME OF JESUS. WE ASK. I ASK THAT YOU BE WITH US THIS EVENING. THAT YOUR HOLY SPIRIT HOLDS SWAY. THAT AS WE DO THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE ASSIGNED US, THAT WE DO SO WITH OPEN HEARTS, OPEN MINDS, AND THAT WE SPEAK WITH YOUR VOICE. GIVE US YOUR WISDOM, YOUR KNOWLEDGE, AND YOUR UNDERSTANDING. BLESS EVERYONE IN THE ROOM. IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. AMEN. ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TO TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS MAYOR AND COUNCIL COMMUNITY RECOGNITIONS AND

[2. MAYOR AND COUNCIL COMMUNITY RECOGNITION AND EVENTS]

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WE MAKE THREATS. WE ARE VERBAL. VITRIOL IS KILLING PEOPLE. AND THEN I CAME BACK FROM THAT, CAME BACK HOME. IT WAS REALLY GOOD TO GET BACK HOME. I DID THAT, I WENT TO ANOTHER TRAINING ABOUT HOW THE BRAIN WORKS AND HOW WE COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER, AND THAT WAS THROUGH THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE. SO THE CITY OF TERRELL HAS CONTRACTS WITH THESE TWO ORGANIZATIONS, AND MY WHOLE PURPOSE IS TO LEARN. I WHEN I FIRST GOT ON THIS CHAIR, IT WAS LIKE, WHAT AM I DOING? WHY DO WE DO WHAT WE DO? HOW DO WE MAKE THESE LAWS? AND I FIGURED IT OUT AFTER TWO YEARS OF DOING TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE LEARNING, MEETING REPRESENTATIVES AND ALL OF THESE PEOPLE, I LEARNED THAT AS A SITTING COUNCIL MEMBER, I'M SUPPOSED TO HAVE YOUR BEST INTEREST AT HEART. IT WOULD HELP IF YOU ALL CARED. NOW. I LOVE THE CITY AND I LOVE WHAT I'M LEARNING. I LOVE APPLYING WHAT I'M LEARNING AND I NEED. WE NEED YOUR HELP TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. AND IT'S GOING TO BE AN UPHILL AND SOMETIMES DOWNHILL ROAD. THE STRONG CITIES NETWORK IS ALSO SOMEPLACE THAT WE, I, I'VE HAD A BUSY MONTH AND WE TALKED ABOUT HATE SPEECH AND VIOLENCE AND VERBAL VITRIOL AND ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT ARE HARMED ON THEIR WAY HOME. WE TALKED ABOUT PARTNERING WITH THE FAITH OR COMMUNITIES WITHOUT HAVING AN AGENDA. THE BRIGHT SIDE OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED FROM WASHINGTON, DC IS THAT CONGRESS, OVERWHELMINGLY IN A BIPARTISAN VOTE, PASSED THE 21ST CENTURY ROAD HOUSING ACT. IT'S THE FIRST COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING PACKAGE IN DECADES, CHOOSING PARTNERSHIP WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS OVER PREEMPTIONS. IT'S ON THE PRESIDENT'S DESK THIS EVENING FOR SIGNATURE.

EVERETT WASHINGTON HAS DECIDED THEY HAVE CREATED A PLAYBOOK FOR MID-SIZED AND SMALL CITIES.

AND IT BEGINS WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WE AND TERRELL ARE GOING TO BE DOING. AND THIS WEEK, I'LL BE MYSELF AND THE MAYOR ARE PART OF TWO DIFFERENT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS FOR THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES. BUT I AM ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND CRIME PREVENTION, AND WE HAVE RESOLUTIONS FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING. I SAY ALL OF THAT BECAUSE I NEVER KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH ALL THIS INFORMATION.

I NEVER KNOW IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED, BUT I GOT FIVE MINUTES TO TELL YOU THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON. AND AS WE PROCEED THROUGH THE REST OF THE EVENING, YOU MIGHT LEARN SOME MORE. BUT SO THAT'S I'VE GOT THAT GOING ON. AND THAT WAS A LOT. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.

THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN. ANYONE ELSE? I WANTED TO SAY A QUICK THANK YOU TO THE CHAMBER FOR ORGANIZING OUR JULY 4TH FESTIVITIES FOR THE FREEDOM FEST WAS A HUGE SUCCESS DOWNTOWN. HUGE TURNOUT. I THOUGHT THE YOU KNOW, EVERYONE, THE FEEDBACK I'VE GOTTEN IS VERY POSITIVE. I THINK OUR VISIBILITY TO THE FIREWORKS FROM DOWNTOWN IS A BIT LIMITED, SO WE NEED TO RETHINK THAT. THAT PART OF THE PROCESS. BUT BUT THE AIRPORT, IT WENT, IT WENT WELL. AND THE DOWNTOWN FESTIVAL WAS REALLY NICE. SO THANKS TO ALL WHO ATTENDED AND THANKS TO THE CHAMBER FOR FOR ARRANGING IT FOR US. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. ANYONE ELSE? YES.

ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR CHAMBER. THAT WAS IT WAS GREAT OUT THERE. ME AND MY FAMILY

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WELCOME BACK MAYOR. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I ALSO WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE MAYOR ON HIS NEW BEARD. I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE FOR OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSON TO COME FORWARD, CARLTON TIDWELL, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD.

I THINK YOU HAVE SOMEONE YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE. I DO THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. CARLTON TIDWELL TERRELL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. AND TODAY I'M PROUD TO INTRODUCE TOM BERENGER TO YOU. TY JOINED US AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER ON JUNE THE 15TH, AND WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE HIM AND HIS YEARS OF EXPERIENCE TO HELP US CONTINUE TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN RECRUITING, MANUFACTURING, DISTRIBUTION JOBS TO TERRELL. SO, TOM. THANK YOU. CARLTON. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. HE PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH SUMMED UP EVERYTHING THAT I DO.

SO I WON'T BORE YOU WITH THAT. BUT OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS, I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE EDC, WORK WITH THE CHAMBER. I'VE MET WITH A FEW COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS AND SOME INDIVIDUALS IN LEADERSHIP POSITIONS, AND I CAN SAY THAT THERE THERE ARE A LOT OF GREAT PEOPLE HERE IN TERRELL, AND THAT WASN'T EVEN SOMETHING I HAD TO DISCOVER. AFTER GETTING THE POSITION. PART OF MY INTERVIEW PROCESS WAS A STAKEHOLDER BREAKFAST, WHERE PROBABLY 20 COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS CAME TO LEARN ABOUT ME BEFORE I EVEN HAD THE POSITION. THEY JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHO I WAS, HOW WAS MY FAMILY, WHERE COULD I GET PLUGGED IN ONCE I WAS HERE? AND THAT THAT MEANT A LOT TO ME. SO ONE, I WOULD SAY THANK YOU TO THE COMMUNITY FOR FOR WELCOMING ME. I'M EXCITED TO TO BE HERE, HONORED TO BE HERE. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO, TO DOING GREAT THINGS HERE IN TERRELL. SO WONDERFUL. WELCOME, TOM. ALL

[3. HEAR REMARKS FROM VISITORS]

OKAY. DID YOU SAY YOUR NAME? I'M SORRY. I'M AT 218. GRIFFITH. OKAY. AND YOUR NAME? RIGHT.

ANYA. SPALDING. OKAY, WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. TANYA. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. RICK JACKSON.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME. YEAH, YEAH. I'M SORRY. NO YOU

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DEVELOPMENT, NOT DEVELOPMENT COMPANIES, BUT FINANCIAL COMPANIES THAT ARE COMING IN, BUYING THOSE HOUSES AND TURNING THEM INTO RENT HOUSES. AND THESE COMPANIES AREN'T THERE.

THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN KAUFMAN COUNTY. THEY'RE A LOT OF THEM ARE IN CALIFORNIA. SOME OF THEM ARE IN CHINA. JUST ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS COME, COME TO MY COURT. I HAVE EVICTION COURT EVERY TUESDAY AND YOU'LL YOU'LL GET TO HEAR THE NUMBER OF, OF PROPERTY MANAGERS THAT COME IN THAT DON'T EVEN THAT THAT ARE NOT EVEN IN KAUFMAN COUNTY. SO IF IF THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF CONTROL OVER THE DEVELOPMENT OF IT. ONCE Y'ALL VOTE TO MAKE THE ZONING CHANGE, THEN HORSES OUT OF THE BARN, HE CAN COME IN. HE'S A DEVELOPER. HE'S GOING TO HE WANTS TO MAKE MONEY SO HE CAN COME IN AND BUILD WHAT HE WANTS TO BUILD. UNLESS WE HAVE SOME STANDARDS, I WOULD LOVE TO BE A PART OF ANY ANY KIND OF DISCUSSION AT ANY TIME AFTER THIS MEETING THAT THAT I COULD BE A PART OF BECAUSE IT AFFECTS ME, IT AFFECTS MY COURT AND IT, IT, IT'S GOING TO AFFECTS ME PERSONALLY TOO. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

EDITOR BALLARD. EDITOR. BALLARD 323 RICE LANE, CORNER OF RICE AND LOVERS LANE. I OPPOSE THE.

FAIRWAY OAKS THING THING. IF IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS MAP, IF YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT SECTION. ONE, YOU'VE GOT 21 HOUSES GOING IN NEXT TO FIVE EXISTING HOUSES.

THOSE FIVE EXISTING HOUSES HAVE SWIMMING POOLS AND IN THEIR BACKYARD, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE FOUR HOUSES. I'LL SPEAK INTO THE MIC. SO OH, I'M SORRY I TURNED IT AROUND. I'M NOT A GOOD PUBLIC SPEAKER. YOU'RE OKAY. YOU'RE FINE. THEM HOUSES, HALF $1 MILLION HOUSES THEY JUST BOUGHT. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE FOUR HOUSES BACKED UP. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN CALL THEM HOUSES TO THEIR PROPERTY LINE WITH POSTAGE STAMP BACKYARDS, AND THEY CAN BE OUT THERE FOUR DIFFERENT HOUSES, HAVING PARTIES WHEN THEY'RE OUT TRYING TO BE IN THEIR BACKYARD, ENJOYING THEIR POOL. THIS IS AN ESTABLISHED OLD NEIGHBORHOOD. WE NEED COMPARABLE HOUSES PUT INTO OUR AREA. IT'S NOT ANYTHING TO DO ABOUT I MEAN, THIS TYPE, LIKE THE OTHER ONES, HAVE TALKED. THERE'S PLENTY OF THESE TYPE OF AREAS GOING IN ON THE OUTSKIRTS. NOW YOU WANT TO PUT ONE OF THESE RIGHT IN YOUR NICE ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD. I'VE GOT A THERE ARE ACRE LOTS.

MOST OF THESE ARE ACRE LOTS HERE. MY HOUSE IS A HALF ACRE LOT. I'VE GOT A TWO CAR GARAGE, A BUILDING ON THE BACK WITH ANOTHER TWO STALL GARAGE. THIS IS THE TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU'RE IN. AND NOW YOU'RE BRINGING ALL THESE LITTLE CRIME DIP NEXT TO EACH OTHER WITH BARELY CAN WALK BETWEEN THEIR HOUSES, POSTAGE STAMP BACKYARDS, AND IT DOESN'T GO WITH THE AREA.

IT'S NOT COMPARABLE. WOULD YOU WANT TO SPEND OVER A MILLION, HALF $1 MILLION ON A HOUSE AND HAVE THIS GOING ON YOUR BACK, YOUR FENCE? AND THIS DEVELOPER? I KNOW HE'S INTERESTED IN MAKING AS MUCH MONEY AS HE CAN, BUT WE'RE THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT. I'M GLAD TO SEE A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS HERE. AND THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT US. THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO WALK AWAY.

IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT HIM. IF YOU LIVE A LOT OF WAYS OFF, IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT YOU, BUT IT'S GOING TO AFFECT US AND OUR PROPERTY VALUES WILL GO DOWN. AND I GUESS I'VE SAID ENOUGH. NO, I'M SORRY. DID YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? YES I DID OKAY, OKAY. YES.

THANK YOU. RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF RACE AND LOVE IS THIS AREA IS GOING TO HAVE A STREET THAT'S GOING TO HAVE ABOUT 40 HOUSES DUMPING ON THE LOVER'S LANE, RIGHT? WHERE I GOTTA COME

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COLQUITT AND 205 SO COMPARABLE HOUSING. YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS A SURE THING, WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD THAT NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK LIKE? IS IT GOING TO BE UNDER AN HOA? IS THERE GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL LIGHTING? IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY PARKS OR IS THERE GOING TO BE PLAYGROUNDS? IS IT ADDING ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY WHERE WE SAW SOME OF THAT ADDITIONAL ADDED VALUE OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS FOR LIKE THE TERRA NOVA THAT'S GOING ON FURTHER DOWN? GRIFFITH? THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FOR MAYBE THIS AREA OF LAND TOO. SO THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT, JENNY. HAZEL. JENNY. HAZEL. 302 LOVER'S LANE. THANK YOU, MAYOR CARMONA, AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR SERVING OUR CITY WITH EXCELLENCE AND DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE TO TRY TO BRING THE BEST OUTCOME FOR EVERYONE. I'M OPPOSED TO THIS AS WELL. THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE GOLF COURSE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO START BY COMMENDING Y'ALL. Y'ALL JUST HAD A A STRATEGIC PLANNING RETREAT AND YOU ADOPTED A

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AS MANY HAVE SAID, IT'S UP TO OUR COMMUNITY TO HOLD DEVELOPERS AND LANDOWNERS ACCOUNTABLE TO THE INTENTIONAL GROWTH THAT WE WANT. CITY ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT ALL DEVELOPMENT ALIGNED WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STANDARDS, ALL OF WHICH HAVE BEEN KIND OF TOUCHED ON TONIGHT, THE OLD GOLF COURSE PROPERTY AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT MEET ANY OF THOSE STANDARDS DEVELOPMENT.

THIS DANCE ONLY BENEFITS THE DEVELOPER AND THE LANDOWNER, BOTH OF WHICH MAKE LOTS OF MONEY AT THE EXPENSE OF THE CITIZENS OF TARA. AND I KNOW Y'ALL ARE FOR THE CITIZENS OF TERRELL, AND I KNOW YOU HEAR EVERY ONE OF THE CONCERNS IN THE AUDIENCE. THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO MAKE POLICY CHANGES NOW TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY. GROWTH IN OUR CITY IS INEVITABLE. IT'S WELCOME IF IT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL OF OUR STANDARDS, WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, OUR ORDINANCES, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS TAKEN CARE OF AND WE WANT TO. I KNOW ALL OF YOU DO MUCH TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT OVERWHELMED, BUT A DEVELOPMENT THIS DENSE WITH THAT MUCH CONCRETE, CLOSE TO ALL THESE ESTABLISHED HOMES ON HALF ACRE TO ONE ACRE LOTS, THEY COULD EASILY FLOOD BECAUSE OF THAT MUCH CONCRETE, FIVE FEET APART IS WAY TOO DENSE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. WE COULD HAVE A DIFFERENT PLAN ON THIS GOLF COURSE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT COULD BE EXCELLENT. IT COULD BE ON OUR EXPECTATIONS. I THINK WE NEED TO LOSE THE MANTRA WITH SOME OF THE LEADERS AND STAFF.

NOT ANY OF YOU HERE, BUT I HEAR FROM OTHER AREAS. WE CAN'T SUPPORT THAT IN TERRELL. WE CAN'T SUPPORT GOOD GROWTH IN TERRELL. AND I THINK WE NEED TO IS FLOODING HERE. PEOPLE ARE TELLING YOU FORNEY'S FLOODING HERE. IF THEY HAVE EXCELLENT HOMES TO BUY, BUILD, MOVE INTO, THEY WILL COME. SO I, I WANT EXCELLENCE TO FLOW OUT FROM THE COUNCIL TO ALL STAFF. OKAY. AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. LEANNE HUTCHISON. SOMEONE'S PHONE. I'M LEANNE HUTCHISON SIX HAYNES CIRCLE. I DIDN'T COME WITH THE INTENTION OF SPEAKING.

THE GOLF COURSE IS VERY EMOTIONAL TO ME. WE SOLD IT TEN YEARS AGO WITH THE UNDERSTANDING IT WOULD REMAIN A GOLF COURSE. WE UNDERSTAND WE SOLD IT, SO THAT CAN'T TAKE PLACE. BUT THAT PROPERTY CANNOT HANDLE AT THIS POINT UNLESS INFRASTRUCTURE IS DONE MORE TO THE ROADS AND MORE TO THE STUFF. BECAUSE WHEN THE GOLF COURSE ALONE, THE TRAFFIC WAS TERRIBLE GETTING IN AND OUT OF THERE. I LIVE RIGHT ON THE STREET THAT FEEDS TO THE GOLF COURSE. IF ALL THAT BECOMES CONCRETE AND STUFF LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OUR STREETS ARE ALREADY HAVING ISSUES WITH FLOODING, SO IT'S GOING TO BE WORSE WHEN YOU PUT THAT MUCH CONCRETE IN IT. I DON'T THINK THAT THE SMALL HOUSES ARE WHAT WE NEED. I THINK IN COMPARISON TO WHAT ALL THE OTHER HOMES ARE, THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. I THINK IT COULD BE A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY.

IT'S NOT NOW AND I WISH IT WERE BEING MADE TO BE KEPT ONE, BECAUSE WE HAD THE GOLF COURSE, WE COULD CERTAINLY COULDN'T HAVE. IT LOOKED LIKE IT LOOKS NOW. BREAKS MY HEART TO SEE IT NOW, BUT I THINK THERE COULD BE HOMES AND IT COULD BE A BEAUTIFUL PLACE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S MEANT TO BE THE SMALL LOTS LIKE YOU'RE BEING PROPOSED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. DANNY STEVENS. I'M DANNY STEVENS, 1702 COLQUITT ROAD, TERRELL, TEXAS.

WELL, GUYS, GROWTH IS COMING, RIGHT? THE ONLY THING THAT CONCERNS ME A COUPLE OF THINGS IS I FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT WE SINCE THEY ARE COMING, WE JUST NEED TO PRAY FOR AND EXERCISE SOME WISDOM IN HOW WE DIRECT THAT GROWTH. AND BY THE WAY, MISS ANDERSON, I APPRECIATED YOUR PRAYER VERY MUCH TONIGHT. I FEEL LIKE THAT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND I'M. I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS. AND EVERYBODY'S THINKING ABOUT THIS, BUT OUR TRAFFIC INFRASTRUCTURE IS PROBABLY NOT SUFFICIENT CURRENTLY TO HANDLE. IF YOU GET 200 HOUSES AND EVERYBODY'S A TWO CAR HOUSE, TWO CAR HOUSEHOLD, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC. I LIVE IN THAT AREA JUST DOWN FROM MY HOUSE. THERE'S A SCHOOL AND THERE'S A PARK WITH CARS BACKING IN AND OUT OF THAT AREA, KIDS CHASING SOCCER BALLS ACROSS THE ROAD AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND SO

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BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE US TO MAINTAIN SOME SANITY WITH THE TRAFFIC AND WITH THE ROADS.

I KNOW A DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE ENTRANCE AND ONE MORE THAN ONE EXIT, BUT SOMEBODY'S EVERYBODY'S GOT TO GO TO WALMART EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO GO RIGHT DOWN THIS ROAD, RIGHT. AND THEY'RE GOING TO GO DOWN GRIFFITH AND THEY'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO ROCKWALL. AND SO THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE MORE THAN WHAT MOST OF US WOULD APPRECIATE HERE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. IS IT CHRISTIAN SHACKLEFORD SHACKLEFORD. I AM CHRISTIAN SHACKLEFORD, 217 LAYTON DRIVE. OKAY, I HAVE TO READ OFF SCRIPT BECAUSE I'M NERVOUS, SO EXCUSE ME, YOU'RE FINE. SO MY NAME IS CHRISTIAN SHACKLEFORD. WE ARE NOT 40 YEAR MEMBERS OF TERRELL. WE MOVED HERE JUST ONE YEAR AGO. WE CHOSE TO BUY AN EXISTING HOME ON LAYTON BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BECOME PART OF THIS COMMUNITY, NOT CHANGE WHAT MAKES IT SPECIAL. WE FELL IN LOVE WITH TERRELL BECAUSE OF ITS SMALL TOWN CHARM. WE WERE DRAWN TO THE TREE LINED STREETS, THE FARMS, THE LOCALLY OWNED BUSINESSES, AND THE PEOPLE WHO GENUINELY CARE ABOUT THIS CITY. WE'VE INVESTED OUR TIME AND MONEY INTO IMPROVING OUR HOME BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN PRESERVING, PRESERVING AND STRENGTHENING THIS COMMUNITY. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU TO OPPOSE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

CURRENTLY AT THE GOLF COURSE PROPERTY. THIS ISN'T BEING ABOUT GROWTH. TERRELL SHOULD CONTINUE TO GROW, BUT GROWTH NEEDS TO BE PLANNED RESPONSIBLY. PACKING ALL THESE HOMES INTO ONE RELATIVELY SMALL PIECE OF LAND IS NOT RESPONSIBLE PLANNING, AND IT'S NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY LIVE HERE. OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY UNDER PRESSURE. MANY RESIDENTS HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT OUR WATER SUPPLY. TRAFFIC CONTINUES TO INCREASE AND OUR ROADS ARE NOT DESIGNATED TO HANDLE ADDITIONAL CONGESTION THAT A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SIZE WOULD BRING. THESE ARE REAL ISSUES THAT DESERVE CAREFUL CONSIDERATION. BEFORE APPROVING SUCH A PROJECT, WE HAVE ALL SEEN WHAT RAPID, UNCHECKED GROWTH HAS DONE IN OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES. FORNEY IS IS OFTEN MENTIONED AS AN EXAMPLE. WE CAME FROM FORNEY.

WE LEFT FORNEY BECAUSE WE WANTED THIS COMMUNITY. OVERCROWDING, HIGH CRIME, CRIME.

WE CAN'T HAVE THIS CRIME CONCERNS. TERRELL HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN FROM THOSE EXPERIENCES INSTEAD OF REPEATING THEM. ONCE THE LAND IS DEVELOPED, THERE'S NO GOING BACK. WE CAN'T REPLACE THE TREES, THE OPEN SPACE OR THE CHARACTER OF THIS AREA. WITH NEIGHBORHOODS BUILT TOO DENSELY FOR THE LAND AND EXPECT TO PRESERVE THE COMMUNITY THAT PEOPLE CHOOSE TO CALL HOME. PROTECT THE QUALITIES THAT MAKE TERRELL UNIQUE. SUPPORT THOUGHTFUL, RESPONSIBLE GROWTH THAT MATCHES OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, PRESERVES OUR CHARACTER, AND PUTS THE LONG TERM INTERESTS OF OUR RESIDENTS FIRST. BEFORE APPROVING THIS DEVELOPMENT, I HOPE YOU CONSIDER WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THESE HOMES ARE EXPECTED TO BECOME INVESTOR OWNED RENTALS, WHERE PROTECTIONS ARE IN PLACE TO ENCOURAGE LONG TERM OWNERSHIP LIKE WE DID. HOW WILL THIS DEVELOPMENT STRENGTHEN THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY THAT EXISTS HERE? INSTEAD OF CREATING A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE MANY HOMES ARE OWNED BY PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE IN TERRELL? SWITCH MY PAGE. MY FAMILY CHOSE TERRELL BECAUSE WE BELIEVED IN ITS FUTURE, AND I ASK THAT YOU MAKE DECISIONS THAT PROTECT IT FOR ALL OF US. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. IS THERE A. IS THERE SOMEONE. MARTA? YES.

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NOW I'VE CALLED, I'VE COMPLAINED. MY KIDS WERE HOMESCHOOLED. WE GO OUT AND WE DIG OUT THOSE CULVERTS BECAUSE WE JUST FOUND OUT THROUGH TALKING TO SOMEBODY ELSE THAT THE CULVERTS DON'T BELONG TO THE HOMEOWNERS, THEY BELONG TO THE HOMEOWNERS, AND THE CITY WOULDN'T DIG THEM OUT. SO MY KIDS GO OUT THERE AND DIG THEM OUT. WE MANAGE THE WATER FROM HEINZ CIRCLE. WE MANAGE IT ON LOVER'S LANE BECAUSE CITIES CAN'T DO ANYTHING OR WON'T OR CAN'T. I'VE ASKED FOR THE ENGINEERS TO COME OUT. I'M WILLING TO PUT MY OWN TRACTORS OUT THERE. I'M CONNECTED WITH A EMPLOYER THAT'S ONE OF THE THIRD LARGEST IN THE CITY.

WE'RE WILLING TO TRY TO TO HELP MANAGE THAT WATER. BUT IF THE CITY ISN'T MANAGING THE WATER AS IT IS, WELL, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MANAGE IT WHEN YOU PUT THOSE HOMES? ARE YOU GOING TO SEND ALL THE WATER? NOW BACK TO OUR PROPERTIES? I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE WATER. I'M ALREADY HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE CHANGES AND UPGRADE FOR MY PROPERTY TO GET THE WATER OUT FROM UNDERNEATH THERE. BUT AGAIN, I WOULD SAY, I THINK YOU NEED TO BUILD, YOU NEED TO BUILD A LOT BECAUSE WE NEED ABOUT 60,000 HOMES JUST TO PAY FOR THE PRINCIPAL ON THAT SCHOOL BOND. WE NEED ABOUT 150,000 HOMES TO PAY FOR THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST. I'VE TRIED SHOWING THAT MATH TO PEOPLE I'VE DEBATED WITH TRYING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S NO LONGER TIME TO DEBATE A NO ON THE SCHOOL BOND AT THE HOMEOWNERS BEHIND ME WANT TO GET BACK AND APPEAL THAT THERE'S WAYS TO DO THAT. BUT NOW WE NEED TO MANAGE THIS GROWTH, BUT WE NEED TO MANAGE IT IN A WAY THAT WHAT'S GOING TO BRING MORE REVENUE, IS IT GOING TO BE REASONABLE HOMES THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO STAY IN? YOU'RE GOING TO GET PROPERTY TAXES THAT ARE GOING TO BE GOOD, OR ARE WE GOING TO BUILD UP THESE 40 HOUSING PROJECTS THAT ARE JUST GOING TO END UP SECTION EIGHT AND POORLY RUN? AND THEN THOSE OF US THAT DO HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO AFFORD THESE TAXES THAT ARE COMING FROM THE SCHOOL BOND THAT ARE GOING TO PAY THOSE, DO YOU WANT TO KEEP US THERE AND PAY THOSE? BECAUSE YOU'LL BE RUNNING US OUT OF TOWN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU SIR. JAMIE.

STURGILL. GOOD EVENING, BOARD MEMBERS. MY NAME IS JAMIE AND I LIVE AT 14 CARLEY CIRCLE.

TONIGHT. YOU'RE CONSIDERING REZONING THE GOLF COURSE FOR A HIGH DENSITY, ZERO LOT LINE DEVELOPMENT. LET'S BE ENTIRELY HONEST ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS FOR US. ZERO LOT LINE MEANS COVERING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, DRAINAGE BASIN IN CONCRETE, ROOFS AND DRIVEWAYS. IF YOU PAVE OVER THE AREA WHERE OUR WATER CURRENTLY GOES TO ESCAPE, THAT WATER WILL BACK UP INSTANTLY. IT'LL HAVE NOWHERE TO GO, AND IT WILL PULL ON CARL LEE AND HEINZ CIRCLE, DROWNING OUR YARDS AND DESTROYING OUR HOME FOUNDATIONS. I ALREADY AM LOSING MY FRONT YARD, APPROVING THIS REZONING WITHOUT A MASSIVE INTERVENTION IS A GUARANTEE THAT OUR EXISTING EROSION PROBLEM WILL BECOME A FULL SCALE DISASTER. WE'RE NOT HERE TO JUST COMPLAIN. WE'RE HERE TO REQUEST FOR SPECIFIC SOLUTIONS TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY BEFORE A SINGLE SHOVEL HITS THE DIRT.

ONE WE WOULD LIKE AN INDEPENDENT EXPERT DRAINAGE STUDY. WE REQUEST THAT THE CITY COMMISSION, AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY ENGINEERING EXPERT, TO CONDUCT A FULL DRAINAGE STUDY. THIS STUDY MUST SPECIFICALLY ANALYZE HOW BLOCKING THIS NATURAL BASIN WILL IMPACT THE UPSTREAM WATER FLOW. FROM CARL LEE CIRCLE AND HEINZ CIRCLE TWO FIX THE CURRENT DRAINAGE SITUATION FIRST. OUR STREET INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY FAILING AS PROVEN BY MY YARD WASHING OUT. WE REQUEST IMMEDIATE UPGRADE AND EXPANSION OF OUR CURRENT STREET DRAINS TO PROPERLY CAPTURE AND ROOT WATER BEFORE IT DESTROYS OUR PROPERTIES. THREE WE WOULD LIKE A DEDICATED BUFFER ZONE. WE REQUEST A WIDE MANDATORY GREEN BUFFER ZONE BETWEEN OUR EXISTING PROPERTY LINES AND THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. THIS BUFFER MUST REMAIN LOWER IN ELEVATION AND BE DESIGNED WITH DEEP DRAINAGE SWELLS TO SAFELY ACCEPT AND CHANNEL THE WATER COMING FROM OUR YARDS AND FOUR PONDS THAT EXCEED THE 100 YEAR FLOOD PLAN. STANDARD ENGINEERING CODES FOR A 100 YEAR STORM ARE NOT ENOUGH. WHEN YOU ARE BLOCKING A NEIGHBORHOOD'S PRIMARY DRAINAGE PATH, WE REQUEST THAT THE DEVELOPER BE REQUIRED TO DESIGN THE RETENTION PONDS TO FAR EXCEED THE STANDARD 100 YEAR FLOOD PLAINS, ENSURING THEY CAN HANDLE EXTREME BACK TO BACK WEATHER EVENTS WITHOUT BACKING WATER UP ON ON ON US. BECAUSE THESE SOLUTIONS REQUIRED VERIFIED ENGINEERING PLANS. OUR ULTIMATE REQUEST TONIGHT IS THAT YOU TABLE THIS REZONING VOTE. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THE DEVELOPER'S WORD THAT EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE. WE ASK YOU TO DELAY THIS VOTE UNTIL AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY DRAINAGE STUDY IS COMPLETED, ONE THAT SPECIFICALLY ANALYZES HOW BLOCKING THIS WILL IMPACT US. WE ARE THE TAXPAYERS WHO LIVE HERE, WHO MAINTAIN THESE PROPERTIES AND WHO VOTE IN THE CITY. WE ASK YOU TO PRIORITIZE OUR SAFETY AND OUR HOMES.

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OUR KIDS ARE GOING TO PLAY TOGETHER. THEY'RE GOING TO I MEAN, IT'S JUST A WELL DEVELOPED NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I ASK THAT IF DEVELOPMENT DOES COME HERE, THAT MAYBE WE CAN PUT SOME RESTRICTIONS, THAT IT'S AN OWNER OCCUPIED DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, ARTHUR. YES. HELLO, COUNCIL, I'M ARTHUR HUGHES, I LIVE AT 300 LOVERS LANE. THAT'S THE WESTWARD MOST PRIVATE RESIDENCE ON THE LOVERS LANE. I HAVE LIVED THERE SINCE 2003. MY FAMILY MOVED HERE FROM ROCKWALL DEVELOPMENT CALLED RANDOM OAKS AT THE SHORES ON A STREET CALLED HIDDEN OAK. THERE WERE NO OAKS IN SIGHT SINCE THE DEVELOPER APPARENTLY BULLDOZED EVERYTHING TO PREPARE THE LOTS. WHEN WE MOVED TO LOVERS LANE SOME 23 YEARS AGO, ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVED ABOUT THE PROPERTY WAS ACROSS THE STREET, OAK GROVE GOLF COURSE. I COULD LOOK OUT MY FRONT WINDOW OR SIT ON THE PORCH AND SEE GOLFERS STRUGGLING TO PLAY THE GAME. ON HOLE NUMBER ONE. I COULD ALSO USUALLY DEPEND ON COLLECTING AT LEAST ONE WAYWARD GOLF BALL FROM MY YARD EACH DAY. I ALSO LOVED ALL THE BIG OAK TREES. IN MORE RECENT TIMES, THE GOLF COURSE AS A BUSINESS HAS FAILED. AT LEAST ONE WINDSTORM HAS TAKEN OUT 8 TO 10 OF THE GRAND OAKS. ANOTHER AFTERNOON I WAS WATCHING TV DURING AN APPROACHING THUNDERSTORM. A LIGHTNING STRIKE HIT THE BIG OAK JUST 30FT NORTH OF MY PROPERTY. THE THUNDER SHOOK MY HOUSE AND ME AND BLEW THE LIFE OUT OF THAT TREE. BARK AND WOOD AND CHIPS AND LIMBS LITTERED THE STREET IN MY FRONT YARD. TODAY, I STILL ENJOY A PLEASANT VIEW OUT MY LIVING ROOM WINDOW WITH A VIEW OF MANY TREES. THERE IS A BREAK IN THOSE TREE LINES SUCH THAT I CAN STILL SEE A SMALL STRETCH OF FARM ROAD 205, FARM TO MARKET 205 AND SEE CARS COMING AND GOING ALMOST A MILE AWAY. I BELIEVE THAT ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS WILL BE NEGATIVELY AFFECTED BY THIS PROPOSED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE THE SECOND ROAD FROM THE EAST INTO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT STARTS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF MY PROPERTY. I THINK I WILL BE ONE OF THE MOST NEGATIVELY AFFECTED OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES. IF YOU APPROVE THIS ZONING CHANGE FOR THE DEVELOPERS, MY VIEW OUT MY FRONT WINDOW WILL BE OF A CROWDED STREET WITH ALMOST 35 HOMES. I WILL BE LOOKING STRAIGHT DOWN A CROWDED STREET. AND I WILL BE LOOKING AT ABOUT 70 CARS PARKED IN THE STREET AND DRIVEWAYS. MOST OF THE BEAUTIFUL OAK TREES WILL BE GONE. I ASK YOU TO VOTE AGAINST THIS DEVELOPMENT. I HAPPILY MOVE TO TERRELL 23 YEARS AGO, BUT NEVER EXPECTED TO LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM A PARKING LOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. LINDA LEDBETTER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. RITA BANE. HI. THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR ALL THAT YOU DO. WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOU. I LIVE AT 137 BIRDSONG LANE, AND I'M OPPOSED TO THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE ZERO LOT LINES AND WHAT THIS WILL DO TO OUR AREA. IT'S GOING TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT IMPACT US ALL TRAFFIC. IF YOU'VE LIVED OFF OF COLQUITT OR YOU LIVED OFF LOVERS, EVEN GRIFFITH AVENUE IS EXTREMELY BUSY, AND I KNOW THAT WE DID RECEIVE A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS PATTERN. I WOULD QUESTION THAT.

I'VE SAID IT. COLQUITT ANY NUMBER OF TIMES WHEN I'VE WAITED THROUGH MANY LIGHTS, YOU GET TWO CARDS AT A TIME THAT YOU CAN LEAVE COLQUITT, EXIT ON TO 205. IT'S A ONE LANE BOTH WAYS. IT FLOODS. THAT BRIDGE IS CIRCA 1940. IT'S GOING TO NEED TO BE REDONE. THERE'S SO MUCH ROAD WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE ENTIRE REGION. IT'S ALL FLOOD LAND. I'VE LOOKED AT THE GEOLOGICAL STUDIES. IT IS SANDY LOAM. THE ENTIRE 1 TO 2 MILES ALL THE WAY TO THE 205 WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING TERRA NOVA. WE ALSO ARE GOING TO BE WE HAVE TERRA NOVA COMING.

LOOK AT THE INFLUX OF PEOPLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING COME TO THAT REGION. I KNOW

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THANK YOU. REAGAN. TILL. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TONIGHT.

I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I LIVE AT 501 ROSEWOOD IN FORNEY, TEXAS. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DICHOTOMY HERE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE, I MOVED TO FORNEY A COUPLE YEARS AGO BECAUSE I NEEDED CONVENIENCE FOR MY SON TO GO TO DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS. AND SO LOOKING BACK NOW, I MADE A MISTAKE. AS SOME OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE SAID, I CAN'T WAIT TO MOVE OUT. I'VE SPENT MY WHOLE LIFE IN TERRELL. MY FATHER STILL LIVES HERE. I'VE TRIED TO PLAY A LOT OF GOLF AT THE GOLF COURSE IN THE YEARS. MR. HUGHES, I THINK YOU HAVE SOME OF MY GOLF BALLS, I'M SURE. SO THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS I THINK I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY. I LOVE TERRELL WITH MY WHOLE HEART. I WANT TO SEE TERRELL GROW AND IT'S GOING TO GROW. BUT WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE MISTAKES OF FORNEY HAS MADE. THEY'VE PUT HOUSES ON UPON HOUSES AND WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. WE. IF YOU GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WEST AND LOOK AT SUNNYVALE, LOOK AT THEIR SIZE LOTS FOR THEIR HOMES, THEY'RE THREE QUARTERS TO AN ACRE. THEY DID IT RIGHT. THEY DID IT SLOW.

THEY PACED IT. THEY THEY HAD THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE. THEY'RE STILL NOT PERFECT. THEY'RE STILL BUILDING ROADS. BUT THEY DIDN'T LET THE PEOPLE COME BEFORE THE ROADS WERE HERE.

THEY LET THE ROADS GET HERE. THEN THE PEOPLE GOT HERE. I CAN ALSO ATTEST FROM SNEAKING ONTO THE GOLF COURSE WHEN I WAS A KID ABOUT THE FLOODING THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. I PLAYED OUT THERE AND I GRABBED MANY CRAWDADS WHEN I WAS A KID OUT THERE. SO THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS TARO'S GOING TO GROW. I WANTED TO GROW. IT NEEDS TO GROW, BUT WE NEED TO BE SMART ABOUT IT. THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU AS A CITY COUNCIL, EVEN THOUGH I CAN'T VOTE FOR YOU, I KNOW A LOT OF VOTERS, MANY VOTERS, FACEBOOK, SOCIAL MEDIA. I'M I'M THE SUPERINTENDENT AT TERRELL STATE HOSPITAL. HALF THE PEOPLE THAT WORK OUT THERE VOTE FOR YOU ALL. OKAY. AGAIN, I KNOW MANY VOTERS WHO. AND I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO I THINK ARE OPPOSED TO THIS WHO CAN VOTE FOR YOU ALL. I'LL BE MOVING BACK SOON, AND I CAN VOTE FOR YOU ALL. THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS THIS WHAT'S THE GREATER GOOD FOR THE WHOLE AT THIS POINT, 50 SOME ODD ACRES THAT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY CAN ENJOY, OR 50 ACRES THAT A FEW SMALL PEOPLE CAN ENJOY? THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER, I THINK. SO AGAIN, I ASK YOU TO VOTE AGAINST THIS AND SLOW DOWN, PUMP THE BRAKES AS I AS WHAT I WOULD SAY AND AND RETHINK THIS GROWTH IS INEVITABLE. I SUPPORT IT, BUT LET'S DO IT RIGHT AND LET'S BE SMART. JUST DON'T DO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN FORNEY. I'M I'M ASKING YOU, PLEASE DON'T DO THAT. THAT'S NOT THE WAY TO GROW. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S EVERYBODY. I HAVE A FORM FOR STAFF. DID WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE TURN ONE IN? NO. ALL RIGHT. THANK EVERYBODY FOR THEIR COMMENTS. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. YES. WE'RE GOING TO RECESS FOR JUST FIVE MINUTES.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? MOTION TO RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO RECONVENE INTO OUR REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING THIS TIME. WE ARE NOW BACK IN OUR

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[4. CONSENT AGENDA]

[5. PUBLIC HEARINGS AND CITY COUNCIL ACTIONS]

ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR RAYLAN ON THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE, IS THERE A MOTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 3179? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 3179. I HAVE A MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM OUR MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT TWO, DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, A SECOND FROM JORGE VARGAS, OUR DISTRICT THREE REPRESENTATIVE, TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 3179 AS PRESENTED. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I, I ANY OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES AN END

[6. BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS]

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OKAY. DO YOU NEED A BRIEF US A LITTLE BIT ON DON BEFORE WE. THAT'S THE ONLY OPEN POSITION THAT WE HAVE. KELLY HARTMAN RESIGNED. SO WE HAVE ONE ONE VACANT POSITION OPEN. AND THAT'S WHO WAS THAT? LUANN. LUANN DAVIS DO YOU HAVE HER HER APPLICATION IS IN THE PACKET.

OKAY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM JORGE VARGAS, DISTRICT THREE REPRESENTATIVE, A SECOND FROM PHIL ROBERTSON, OUR DISTRICT FIVE REPRESENTATIVE, TO APPOINT LUANN DAVIS TO OUR PARK BOARD.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. AND THOSE PRESENT. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS AND REAPPOINTMENTS TO THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION. THIS DON. I SPOKE WITH WITH BILL ROBINSON, AND I BELIEVE HE WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM. OKAY, COUNCILMAN, IS THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT MOTION? THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING FOR ME. I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. YES. I'D LIKE TO POSTPONE THE THAT ITEM TODAY.

OKAY. MAKING A MOTION MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM PHIL ROBINSON OR OR DISTRICT FIVE REPRESENTATIVE, A SECOND FROM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON OR MAYOR PRO TEM FROM DISTRICT TWO TO POSTPONE ITEM 6.3. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I, I ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIED AND VOTES PRESENT. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 6.4 DISCUSSING. CONSIDER APPOINTMENT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. DON. MAYOR. I BELIEVE THAT JORGE VARGAS WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM. WOULD YOU MAKE THAT MOTION, PLEASE? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE ITEM 6.4. WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM JORGE VARGAS OR DISTRICT THREE REPRESENTATIVE, A SECOND FROM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON OR MAYOR PRO TEM FROM DISTRICT TWO TO POSTPONE 6.4. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I, I ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

[7. BUSINESS ITEMS]

DISCUSS AND CONSIDER PROCUREMENT AND PURCHASE CARD TRAVEL AND INVESTMENT POLICY.

THIS WILL BE HANDLED BY MATT MATT POSTON, HOUSTON. YES, AUSTIN. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO BRING FOUR NEW POLICY, NOT NEW POLICIES BUT UPDATED POLICIES.

AS YOU KNOW, I STARTED BACK IN NOVEMBER, AND PART OF THAT IS LOOKING AT THE POLICIES WE HAVE AND MAKING SURE THEY ARE CURRENT AND FOLLOWING EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IN BEST PRACTICES. SO WE HAVE A NEW PURCHASING POLICY, UPDATED PURCHASING POLICY, PURCHASING CARD POLICY FOR OUR PROCUREMENT CARDS, A TRAVEL POLICY FOR CITY TRAVEL, AND THEN AN INVESTMENT POLICY FOR OUR INVESTMENTS. THERE ARE NOT TOO MANY CHANGES. WE KIND OF MODERNIZED IT A LITTLE BIT. THERE WERE SOME STATE LAW CHANGES ALSO THAT CAME THROUGH THAT WE MADE, THAT WE ADOPTED IN THIS POLICY. I WILL SAY FIRST ON THE PURCHASING POLICY, WE HAVE SOME NEW PURCHASING TEARS ON OUR SIDE THAT WE WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR ON WHEN WE NEED TO GO TO BID, WHEN WE CAN DO INFORMAL QUOTES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE ADDED MORE IN THERE ABOUT GRANTS AND COOPERATIVE PURCHASING AND OTHER TYPES OF PURCHASING. AND THE BIG CHANGE IS UPPING THE COUNCIL APPROVAL THRESHOLD FROM 50,000 TO 100,000. THAT WAS PASSED BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 25 BY THE TEXAS SENATE AND THE HOUSE THAT IS PART OF THE NEW. THEY RAISED

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WE'RE STILL IN THE THREE AND FOURS IN THE INVESTMENT POOL, SO IT'S VERY COMPETITIVE. BUT AS WE LOOK INTO THE FUTURE AND EXPECT INTEREST RATES AT SOME POINT TO PROBABLY GO DOWN, WE WANT TO START BUILDING A LADDERED PORTFOLIO IN THIS INVESTMENT POLICY IS KIND OF WORKING WITH THEM, WORKING WITH SOME OF WHAT I'VE SEEN IN BEST PRACTICE AND GETTING THAT KIND OF UP TO DATE. AND OF COURSE, ALL OUR INVESTMENT POLICIES ALWAYS ARE SAFETY FIRST, THEN LIQUIDITY, AND THEN MAKING MONEY OFF THE INVESTMENTS. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THESE ARE TAXPAYER DOLLARS, THAT THEY'RE ALL SAFE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE ANY PRINCIPAL. AND WE ESSENTIALLY MAINLY INVEST IN GOVERNMENT SECURITIES. SO TREASURY NOTES, FNMA ALL THOSE KIND OF NOTES. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT ONE IS. THIS ONE WE DID SUBMIT TO THE GOVERNMENT TREASURERS ORGANIZATION OF TEXAS. IT'S A ORGANIZATION OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS WHO ARE IN KIND OF THAT TREASURY MANAGEMENT POSITION, AND THEY DO A REVIEW OF THAT FOR YOU AND MAKE SURE IT'S FOLLOWING THE THE BEST PRACTICES AND MAKING SURE IT'S FOLLOWING ALL OF THE PUBLIC INVESTMENT ACT LAWS. SO THIS I'M GLAD TO SAY, WE DID GET THE CERTIFICATE OF DISTINCTION FROM THEM FOR THIS. SO THAT WAS GREAT TO SEE THAT THIS POLICY WAS RECOGNIZED AT THAT LEVEL AS WELL FOR THAT. ANY QUESTIONS? SO THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THIS WAS HOUSEKEEPING. YES. THERE WAS SOME HOUSEKEEPING, MODERNIZING, GETTING IT UP TO DATE, GIVING STAFF MORE GUIDANCE. OKAY. AND THEN ON THE INVESTMENTS, ON THE FUNDS THAT WE HAVE ACCESS BALANCE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE SAFE, LOW RISK INVESTMENTS, RIGHT? SAFETY IS OUR FIRST PRIORITY WITH CITY FUNDS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MATT? YES, MATT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. WILL YOU TELL ME A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE INCREASE YOU SAID FROM THE 50,000 TO THE 100,000. WILL YOU REVIEW THAT WITH ME AGAIN? AND THAT WAS BASED ON LEGISLATION. YES. AND THIS IS, OF COURSE, AT COUNCIL'S DISCRETION. BUT IN THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THEY DID INCREASE STATE GOVERNMENT CODE, WAS THAT EVERYTHING OVER 50 HAD TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. IT IS NOW EVERYTHING OVER 100,000 HAS TO GO TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. OF COURSE, A COUNCIL CAN ADOPT A LOWER NUMBER THAN THAT IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO. WE'RE PROPOSING IT AT THE 100,000 LEVEL, BUT WE'RE OF COURSE, OPEN TO FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL. AND I WOULD MENTION AGAIN THAT COUNCIL STILL HAS CONTROL OVER PURCHASING. ESSENTIALLY, THROUGH THE BUDGET, YOU'LL PASS A BUDGET, YOU'LL ADOPT A BUDGET. THAT IS KIND OF WHAT GUIDES US THROUGH THE PROCESS. THIS IS MORE OF HOW WE

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THE POLICY ITSELF, THE PROCUREMENT POLICY, LAYS OUT OUR PROCESSES, AT WHICH POINT WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND GET QUOTES, INCLUDING HISTORICALLY UNDERUTILIZED BUSINESSES. IT INCLUDES WHEN WE DO FORMAL RFPS AND RFQS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO ESSENTIALLY, IF WE IF REALLY WHAT THIS IS DOING IS IT'S JUST INCREASING THE THRESHOLD FOR US TO BRING SOMETHING TO COUNCIL TODAY. IF WE HAVE A A CONTRACT THAT IS A ONE YEAR CONTRACT AND IT'S $48,000, IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO COME TO COUNCIL IF IT'S A $48,000 CONTRACT AND IT'S TWO YEARS CUMULATIVE, CUMULATIVELY, THAT WOULD BE OVER 50. SO WE WOULD BRING THAT TO YOU. SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD THAT WOULD. SO IF IT'S A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT AT AT $90,000 A YEAR, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CONTRACT IN TOTALITY. SO YOU WOULD STILL SEE THAT TYPE OF ITEM. WHAT THIS WOULD DO IS WHEN WE HAVE LARGE PURCHASES THAT ARE BETWEEN THE 50 AND $100,000. THAT WOULD BE HANDLED THROUGH OUR PROCUREMENT POLICY, WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. BUT IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A DIFFERENT NUMBER, THAT THAT'S FINE. YOU FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH YOUR EXPERTISE ON THE INCREASE TO 100,000. I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THE 100, BUT IT'S NOT WHAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH. IT'S WHAT YOU ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH. SO REAL QUICK ON. THE THE PROCESS HERE, IT WOULD STILL COME FROM FINANCE. IT WOULD NEED TO GO TO MATT AND MARK. YOU WOULD NEED TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE, RIGHT? SO THERE'S CHECKS AND BALANCES THERE. 5000 IT COMES TO FINANCE OVER 50,000 IN THE NEW POLICY. IT WOULD GO TO MARK AND FINANCE. SO THERE ARE CHECKS AND BALANCES IN THE SYSTEM. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNCIL TO KNOW THAT YOU KNOW THERE'S JUST NOT ONE PERSON OUT THERE THAT'S GOING TO SAY, HEY, LET'S SPEND 100,000 COUNCIL.

WHAT I WOULD WANT YOU TO TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IS BECAUSE OF THE INFLATION, AND WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY PURCHASE THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE. WE WOULDN'T NEED TO COME AND HAVE A MEETING PRIOR TO MARK PULLING THE TRIGGER OR. MARK OR A DEPARTMENT HEAD SAYING, YEAH, LET'S GET THIS TO MATT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO BALANCE ALL OF THAT. AND WE HAVEN'T HAD AN ISSUE THAT I'M AWARE OF WHERE WE'VE HAD A PROBLEM, HAVE WE, MARK? NO, SIR. NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MY FEELING IS THAT JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD SOME RECENT CHALLENGES WITHIN OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND WE HAVE NEW LEADERSHIP CURRENTLY, I'M RELUCTANT TO SORT OF RELINQUISH THE CONTROL COMPLETELY THERE AND MOVE TO DOUBLE THE AMOUNT THAT'S ALLOTTED. I WOULD BE MORE IN FAVOR OF KIND OF DOING THAT MORE INCREMENTALLY. INSTEAD OF TAKING THAT LEAP STRAIGHT TO 100, I WOULD THINK MAYBE A COMPROMISE THERE, MAYBE AT 75 MIGHT BE MORE MORE APPROPRIATE IN THIS CASE. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? SO WHAT'S BEFORE US RIGHT NOW IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL. YES, SIR. RIGHT. SO WE WOULD NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE IT AS IS AND OR MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE AMOUNT. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT OR TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE WITH THE AMENDMENT THAT WE WOULD CHANGE THE THRESHOLD TO 75,000. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN PHIL ROBERTSON, OUR DISTRICT FIVE REPRESENTATIVE, A SECOND FROM STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS, OR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT FIVE TO APPROVE THE PROCUREMENT AND PURCHASE CARD AND TRAVEL AND INVESTMENT POLICY, WITH AN ADJUSTMENT OF GOING FROM 100,000 TO 75,000. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SHOULD WE, AFTER A TRIAL PERIOD OF SO LONG AT 75,000, WHEN WOULD WE APPROVE? SO WHEN WOULD YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE RECONSIDERING? YOU THINK SIX MONTHS A YEAR? TELL ME. I JUST DON'T WANT TO FORGET IT. I THINK SIX MONTHS IS REASONABLE. YEAH. WE TYPICALLY BRING THE POLICIES BACK TO YOU ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. SO IF YOU WANTED TO WAIT A YEAR, THAT'S FINE. WE CAN DO SIX MONTHS. WE'LL MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING WHATEVER, MAKING YOU ALL THE

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ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL THOSE PRESENT. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS. 7.2. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ORDINANCE NUMBER 3168. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF KAUFMAN COUNTY, TEXAS, AMENDING APPENDIX TWO ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TERRELL AND CHANGING THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION FROM AGRICULTURAL A TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT SINGLE FAMILY A PDF S7SF ON APPROXIMATELY 54.868 ACRES OF LAND DEPICTED WITHIN THE SPECIALTY SPECIAL WARRANTY DEED, EXHIBIT A AND THE CONCEPT PLAN SHOWN ON EXHIBIT B AND FURTHER DESCRIBED WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND DEPICTED ON EXHIBIT C AND ATTACHED HERETO AND MADE A PART HEREOF FOR ALL PURPOSES, AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP, PROVIDING A PENALTY, PROVIDING A REPEALING SAVINGS AND SEVERABILITY CLAUSES, PROVIDING FOR PUBLICATION, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS WILL BE HANDLED BY ROWLAND SMITH. ALL RIGHT. RAYLAN. RAYLAN. LET ME RAYLAN, LET ME START REAL QUICK. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME QUESTIONS THAT I JUST WANT TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER BEFORE WE START. AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS HAS BEEN, WHY IS THIS ITEM REAPPEARING FOR RECONSIDERATION ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA? AND AFTER THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING ON WHAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CLARIFIED THAT THIS ITEM IS NOT BEING RECONSIDERED. IT IS ACTUALLY BEING CONSIDERED NOT TO PLAY WORD GAMES, BUT AT THE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING THAT THIS ITEM WAS VOTED ON, THERE WAS A MOTION IN A SECOND, THE ITEM WAS VOTED ON AND IT RECEIVED TWO TWO VOTES IN FAVOR AND TWO VOTES AGAINST, WHICH MEANS THE ITEM DID NOT PASS. THERE WAS NO SECOND MOTION, SO THERE WAS NO RESOLUTION ON THE ITEM. SO THE ITEM IS ESSENTIALLY AN ORPHANED ITEM WITH NO ACTION ON IT. SO STAFF HAD TO BRING THE ITEM BACK TO COUNCIL TO BE CONSIDERED. SINCE THERE WAS NO ACTION ON THE ITEM.

SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAVE CONSULTED WITH OUR INTERIM CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING THE RECUSAL OF COUNCILMAN VARGAS, AND WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED THAT THERE WAS NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST, AND HE WAS. HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO RECUSE HIMSELF FROM THAT VOTE. BUT I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT AND EXPLAIN THAT BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO RAYLAN.

ALL RIGHT. SO BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, WHAT I WILL CONFIRM IS THAT WHAT'S IN YOUR PACKET IS THE EXACT REQUEST FROM THE MAY 26TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY HEARD BACK IN APRIL. PNC ORIGINALLY BROUGHT TO CITY COUNCIL AND CONSIDERED FOR ADDITIONAL STUDIES IN ON MARCH THE 24TH. SO YOU HAVE THE PACKET AVAILABLE IN YOUR BOOK AS PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION.

AND THE ORDINANCE REMAINS THE SAME AS OUR LAST MEETING. SO THE CONSIDERATION IS ORDINANCE 3168. YES, YES. ALL RIGHT. SO COUNCIL, I'M GOING TO GO FIRST BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COVER WHAT I HEARD FROM OUR RESIDENTS. ONE IS TRAFFIC AND THE STUDY, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE, RAYLAN, THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS DONE AND PAID FOR BY THE DEVELOPER AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY, REALLY AT THE REQUEST OF THE COUNCIL, WAS THAT STUDY DONE SUFFICIENTLY, IN YOUR OPINION? YES. AND WHO DID THAT? AND IT WAS THE STUDY WAS COMPLETED BY THE DEVELOPER.

KIMLEY-HORN WAS ACTUALLY THE ENGINEER OF RECORD AND HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY OUR CITY ENGINEER.

ALL RIGHT. AND THERE ARE NO SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN OR EXISTING CONDITIONS IN THAT AREA BASED ON THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. SO THE STAFF IS COMFORTABLE WITH KIMBERLY'S HORN REPORTING, RIGHT? YES. AND KIMBERLY HORN HAS DONE WORK FOR THE CITY IN THE PAST. THERE'S NO REASON FOR THE MAYOR OR THE COUNCIL TO SAY, HEY, THIS WAS DONE BY SOMEONE WHO HAS. NOT COMPLIED WITH THE CITY IN THE PAST. RIGHT? SO REPUTABLE GROUP ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED AS WE MOVE FORWARD

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OKAY. AGAIN, WELL, THAT INCLUDE CONSIDERATION ON SAFETY ISSUES. I'M I'M THINKING, AS I RECALL, THERE WAS SOME ISSUES CONCERNED ABOUT PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YES, EGRESS AND INGRESS AS WELL AS PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND SIDEWALKS IS ALL ADDRESSED WITHIN OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND OUR STANDARD ZONING ORDINANCE AND ALSO OUR TECHNICAL STANDARDS THAT ARE APPROVED. SO EVERY DEVELOPMENT GOES THROUGH THAT EXACT STANDARD AND APPLICATION PROCESS. THERE WAS ALSO AN ISSUE WITH PARKING THAT MIGHT BE A PROBLEM. WILL THAT BE ADDRESSED AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THIS PROCESS? IT'LL BE ADDRESSED THE SAME AS ALL DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE. YES. DO WE DO WE ALLOW PARKING ON STREETS? THERE ARE NO NO ON STREET PARKING WITHIN OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, YET WE SEE THAT.

HOWEVER YES, STANDARD PRACTICE IS WITHIN. YEAH. BECAUSE I WANT TO BE FAIR, I WANT EVERY I WANT TO BE FAIR. AND MANY OF OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS EXPERIENCE ON STREET PARKING AS WELL AS OUR NEW RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE IT WITHIN THE CITY. AND WE FEEL LIKE THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE. WE MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS, WE DO NOW REQUIRE THE DOUBLE SIDED DRIVEWAYS, AND WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE A LENGTH TO WHERE YOU CAN AT LEAST FIT TWO VEHICLES. SO OUR STANDARDS, OUR OVERALL STANDARDS IN THE PAST 5 OR 10 YEARS HAVE PROVIDED FOR LARGER DRIVEWAYS AND LARGER SETBACKS ON THE FRONT PROPERTY TO HELP ASSIST IN SOME OF THE ON STREET PARKING. BUT IT CONTINUES TO BE AN ISSUE WITHIN EXISTING. AND ONCE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE BUILT. SO THE. THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL CAN'T SAY DEFINITELY THERE'LL NEVER BE ANY PARKING ON THE STREET. WE DON'T WE DON'T CONTROL, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S LIKE A BIRTHDAY PARTY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE GENERALLY DON'T CONTROL. I WILL SAY WHERE I LIVE, I'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, COPS KNOCK ON MY DOOR WHENEVER EVEN MY SON'S TRUCK IS OVER THE SIDEWALK, WHENEVER IT'S BLOCKING PEOPLE WALKING ON THE SIDEWALK. SO I, I WILL SAY THAT AS A COMMUNITY, WE DO OBSERVE THAT. AND OUR OFFICERS ARE ALWAYS GLAD TO ASSIST. OKAY. A WATER SUPPLY ISSUE WAS ALSO BROUGHT UP. IS THERE ANY REASON FOR THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL TO THINK THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO AFFECT THE WATER SUPPLY IN ANY IN A NEGATIVE WAY? NO, THAT THAT ALL OF THAT REVIEW OCCURS DURING OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE AND ALSO OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. IT WILL ALSO BE GUARANTEED DURING YOUR CIVIL REVIEW ON THE INVESTOR OWNED PROPERTY. OR DO WE KNOW WILL THESE BE RENTALS OR ARE THESE HOMEOWNERS AND DO WE HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO DICTATE? AS A MUNICIPALITY, YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO DICTATE WHETHER IT IS AN OWNER OCCUPIED. HOWEVER, THE YOU CAN REQUEST THROUGH HOA'S. HOA'S CAN APPLY THAT TO RESIDENCES, BUT AS A MUNICIPALITY, NO, THERE IS ZERO CONTROL. WILL THIS BE AN HOA? YES, THERE WILL BE AN HOA. OKAY TO CONFIRM THAT. AND WHAT IS THE PROCESS? IF WE WANTED TO. IF. IF THAT WAS. WE CAN'T CONTROL THE HOA. NO, IT'S SIMPLY A REQUEST BY THE CITY

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YES, SIR. YES. IS THERE ANY. HAVE WE BEEN APPROACHED BY BY ANYONE WHO IS WILLING HAS APPROACHED THE CITY AND SAID THAT WE WOULD THEY WOULD CONSIDER PUTTING A GOLF COURSE THERE. DO WE DO WE HAVE ANY OF THAT APPLICATION? NO, SIR. YOU KNOW, COUNCIL, I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN THE CITY OF TERRELL, AND THERE WERE LOTS THAT I PLAYED ON AS A KID BASEBALL PICK UP, BASEBALL GAMES, BASKETBALL GAMES, FOOTBALL. AND THEY ARE NOW OCCUPIED BY HOMES.

SO. I HEARD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LOVE TO I WOULD TO I WOULD LOVE FOR IT TO BE A GOLF COURSE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S AN OPTION FOR US MOVING FORWARD, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FAIR WITH EVERYONE AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND MAKE A DECISION BY THIS BODY AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT OR NOT, AND. YOU KNOW, WHERE I STAND IS I TRY TO SUPPORT THE COUNCIL MEMBER WITH WHOM THE DISTRICT IT IS. WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS, AND I HAVE IT WITH EACH ONE OF YOU ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CONFIDENT IN THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE GOT. SO I'M GOOD. MY MY ANSWERS, MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS RAYLAN? I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY. IS IT TRUE THAT THIS IS PRETTY MUCH STANDARD TO JUST DO A ONE DAY STUDY, OR IS IT MORE NOT TO DO MULTIPLE DAYS? THEY DID FOLLOW OUR TIA REQUIREMENTS. AND REMIND ME AGAIN, WHAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM PNC? PNC RECOMMENDED DENIAL. IT WAS A FOUR THREE VOTE. AND THEN KIND OF EXPLAIN TO US AGAIN ABOUT. THE ZONE CHANGE NOT BEING LIKE 7.5 OR 10.0, BUT IT WAS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. WHAT'S THE KIND OF TELL ME PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE MULTIPLE USES WITHIN ONE AREA. SO IF YOU HAVE CONTIGUOUS ACRES, YOU'RE ABLE TO PLAN THOSE ALL TOGETHER. AND SO THE REASON THAT THIS IS A PD SF IS BECAUSE IT HAS MULTIPLE DIFFERENT. IT IT VARIES IN LOT SIZES, BUT THEY ARE ALL THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OF YOUR TWO FAMILY OR MULTIFAMILY. IT'S JUST A VARIATION OF THE LOT SIZES. AND

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SO DURING THE CIVIL REVIEW YOU WILL HAVE THE FULL CIVIL SET WHICH WILL HAVE YOUR DRAINAGE PLAN. IT'LL HAVE WATER UTILITIES. THAT'S WHEN YOU'LL REALLY SEE THE LAYOUT OF THE LOTS THEMSELVES. RIGHT NOW THEY'RE ALL JUST BEING CALCULATED BASED ON CUMULATIVE ACRES. SO YOU WILL ACTUALLY SEE THE LOT SET UP ITSELF. YOU'LL SEE ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE PUT ON THE GROUND. YOU'LL SEE ALL OF YOUR FIRE LANES AND YOUR GREEN SPACE, DEDICATION STREETS AND UTILITIES. THIS RIGHT NOW IS ZONE CHANGE ONLY. THIS IS WHAT THIS VOTE IS. YES, MA'AM.

TELL ME WHAT THE SIX SF SIX. WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, MINIMUM? YOU REMEMBER SF SIX GOES DOWN TO 1600 SQUARE FOOT. YES, 7.5, 7.5 GOES UP TO 1800, 300FT■!S. OR IS IT 2000? 200? YEAH. I'M SORRY. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE HOUSE. LIKE THE SQUARE FOOT. OKAY. AND THAT'S JUST THE MINIMUM. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? YES, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. I WAS ACTUALLY OUT THERE. THIS IS MY SECOND TIME I WENT. I WALKED OUT THERE. I WALKED THERE FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER END. AS I WAS LOOKING AT IT. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S A GREAT PLACE. I REMEMBER IT BEING A GOLF COURSE. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S OUT THERE IN THE STREET AND JUST LOOKING TOWARDS IT, I MEAN, IT, IT'S IN DESPAIR AND IT'S A LOT OF WORK OUT THERE AS A FALLEN TREES, OVERGROWN GRASS, MOSQUITO LAKES OUT THERE. I UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCILMAN PHIL ROBERTS HAS IN REGARDS TO I KNOW IT'S 14 OR 15 YEARS BEFORE WE GET MORE TRAFFIC OUT THERE. WHAT'S THE LENGTH OF THIS PROJECT RIGHT NOW? IF WE WERE TO START NEXT WEEK, WHAT WHAT IS THE LINK FOR IT TO GET DONE? THERE'S NO TRUE WAY TO SAY THAT UNTIL YOU HAVE A CONSTRUCTION PLAT ON FILE. BUT FROM START OF THE PROJECT TO WHEN YOU HAVE ROADWAYS IN, YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT 18 TO 24 MONTHS. THERE'S A LOT OF CLEANUP. AND JUST LOOKING AT ARBORETUM PHASE ONE ROADWAYS AND UTILITIES TAKE A WHILE. AND THE REASON I WANTED TO KNOW BECAUSE I KNOW COUNCILMAN PHIL ROBINSON ALREADY MENTIONED ABOUT 1450.

SO EVEN EVEN THE TERRA NOVA, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT 14 TO 50. IT COULD BE A LITTLE LONGER THAN THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SAYING THAT I, I KNOW WE'VE HAD TRAFFIC ANALYSIS THAT HE DID.

IT WAS A C, WHICH IS WHICH IS GREAT. AND I'M GLAD HE USED A COMPANY THAT WE THAT WE ALL KNOW. SO THERE'S NOTHING, NOTHING OUT THERE. I AM I DID SEE THE WHERE WE CAN DO THE HOA, WHICH IS GREAT. I THINK EVEN IF WE WERE TO DO MORE RESTRICTIONS, I THINK I'VE READ SOMEWHERE TO WHERE THEY CAN GET MORE STRICTER OR, OR TIGHTER RULES IN REGARDS TO, TO THAT. SO THAT WAY WE, WE CAN AVOID ISSUES LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T STOP SECTION EIGHT. I KNOW THAT, BUT AT LEAST WE CAN TRIM IT DOWN OR, OR, OR, YOU KNOW, IN REGARDS TO THAT. SO LET'S SEE. AND I HAVE FAITH IN CHRIS SNAP AND TO ONCE HE LOOKS OVER ALL THE ENGINEERING STUFF LIKE THAT TO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER. I CAN'T TELL HIM WHAT CAN I DO? BUT I HAVE FAITH IN CHRIS AND WHAT HE DOES. THAT'S WHY WE HIRED HIM FOR. SO IN REGARDS TO THAT, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY IN REGARDS. AND JUST KEEP KEEP IN MIND, WE GOTTA ALSO KEEP IN MIND THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. I KNOW WE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT THAT KNOW THIS PROPERTY DOESN'T. IT'S NOT IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THEM. YES. BUT WE GOTTA ALSO KIND OF INVOLVE THE OWNER.

YOU KNOW, I HAVE NEVER MET THE OWNER BEFORE. I DON'T KNOW WHO SHE IS, HE OR SHE IS. THE THING IS, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA KEEP THEM IN MIND TOO. THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS PROPERTY.

AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS COME UP IN REGARDS TO THIS. HOW MANY TIMES HAS SHE TRIED TO DO WHATEVER THEY'RE TRYING TO DO OVER TO THAT PROPERTY? SO WE GOTTA KEEP THAT IN MIND. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MA'AM. THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU. WELL, FIRST, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR COMING OUT TODAY TO. THESE ARE THE CITIZENS OF MY DISTRICT, DISTRICT FIVE, WHO HAVE SPOKEN IN A CLEAR VOICE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, ALMOST TO A PERSON. AND THESE ARE ALL THE NEIGHBORING PEOPLE WHO WILL BE IMPACTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AND I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD CARRY A LOT OF WEIGHT WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE BODY THAT IS HERE TO REPRESENT THEIR INTERESTS. THE PURPOSE OF ZONING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WHAT WE BUILD FITS SEAMLESSLY INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, ALIGNS WITH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE GOALS, DOESN'T CREATE OVERWHELMING TRAFFIC CONGESTION, AND DOESN'T CREATE INCREASED CRIME. THROUGH

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CHRIS, DO YOU WANT TO KNOW? I MEAN, HOW MANY HOW MANY YEARS ARE WE PROJECTING OUTWARD ON THE TRAFFIC IMPACT? YOU'RE PROJECTING THE IMPACT FOR THE BUILD OUT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.

OKAY. SO ARE WE WE DISCUSSED THIS LAST TIME. I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO ASK IT. ARE WE CONSIDERING THE IMPACT OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO BE ADJACENT TO IT? THAT'S GOING TO DOUBLE THE POPULATION OF TERRELL? NO, SIR. WHENEVER THE CONSTRUCTION PLAT IS APPLIED, THE NEXT CONSTRUCTION PLAT FOR TERRA NOVA OR THE NEXT CONSTRUCTION PLAT IN THAT AREA, THE ONLY THINGS THAT YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ARE WHAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN THE CURRENT CONDITIONS, MAYBE IN TERMS OF YOUR ROLE AS MUNICIPAL MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR, BUT IN TERMS OF THIS COUNCIL, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE FUTURE IMPACTS TO OUR CITY. AND THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DEVELOPMENT JUST NEXT TO THIS ONE THAT'S GOING TO DOUBLE OUR POPULATION AND CAUSE MASSIVE TRAFFIC IMPACTS. SO IF A STUDY DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT AT ALL, THOSE HUGE IMPACTS, IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING THAT'S HELPFUL. IT GIVES US NO BETTER INFORMATION TO WORK FROM. THE IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WAS FOR TERRA NOVA WAS THE REASON THAT YOU GOT THE FOUR LANE HIGHWAY THAT GOES TO HIGHWAY 205. WHAT ABOUT LOVERS AND COLQUITT? EACH DEVELOPMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE IMPACT THAT THEY WILL MAKE ON AREA STREETS. OKAY, SO HOW WILL IT IMPACT LOVERS AND COLQUITT THOUGH THIS THIS T I INDICATED AND THE RESULT WAS IT WAS NOT GOING TO IMPACT BASED ON THE IMPACT OF THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY IS NOT. I THINK WE ALL KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT THE INCREASED NUMBER OF HOMES AND THIS DENSITY, THAT'S THAT'S NOT TRUE. IT IS GOING TO IMPACT TRAFFIC DRAMATICALLY. I THINK THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT. SO JUST, JUST TO, TO CARRY ON THAT. SO THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS TWO POINTS OF ENTRY OFF OF LOVERS AND ONE OFF OF COLQUITT. CORRECT. AS AS IT STANDS. OKAY, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LITTLE BITTY LOVERS LANE WITH TWO ENTRY POINTS INTO A 210 HOME DEVELOPMENT COMING IN OFF OF LOVER'S LANE, WHERE ALREADY DURING SCHOOL PICKUP TIME, THERE'S TRAFFIC BACKED ALL THE WAY DOWN LOVER'S LANE. RIGHT? SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OKAY, THAT TO ME IS UNTENABLE JUST MOVING FORWARD THOUGH, AS YOU GUYS ARE THE DIRECTORS OF MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. THAT'S THE THAT'S THE TITLE. HOW MANY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS DO WE HAVE CURRENTLY AGREED TO IN OUR CITY? HOW MANY TOTAL UNDER DEVELOPMENT? HOW MANY HAVE WE AGREED TO UNDER UNDER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. HOW MANY TOTAL EXISTING EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WITH DEVELOPERS TO BUILD OUT A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT APPROXIMATELY? I WOULD BE HONEST WITH YOU. I MEAN, I DON'T KEEP UP WITH IT. THEY'RE NOT SCARCE IS MY POINT, RIGHT? THERE'S A LOT OF THEM. SO. OVER THE YEARS, THERE'S SEVERAL.

YEAH, I'M TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS. SO WE HAVE TERRA NOVA, NORTH SPUR ARBORETUM ESTATES. SO THE THOUGHT IS, YOU KNOW, TERRA NOVA IS GOING TO DOUBLE OUR POPULATION. ARBORETUM ESTATES IS GOING TO BE A MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. NORTH SPURS MAKING AN IMPACT WITH ALL OF THESE HOMES. MY THOUGHT IS IF YOUR GROWTH STRATEGY IS JUST ALL GAS, NO BRAKES, EVENTUALLY YOU HIT A WALL. ALL RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S THAT'S BEEN PROVEN CLEAR CLEARLY AGAIN AND AGAIN IN SURROUNDING CITIES. AND I WORRY THAT WE'RE DOING THE EXACT SAME THINGS HERE, MAKING THE SAME MISTAKES. I'M NOT SURE WHY COMMUNITIES HAVE TO KEEP LEARNING THIS LESSON OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT A LOT THIS WEEK. I THOUGHT, IS IT GREED? IS IT HUBRIS? I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK WHAT IT IS IS FEAR. I THINK THERE'S A FEAR THAT WE'RE GOING TO MISS OUT ON A GROWTH OPPORTUNITY. IT'S, OH, IF WE DON'T TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY, THEN WE WON'T GET ANYTHING EVER AGAIN. IT'S NEVER GOING TO COME BACK TO US OR. BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THAT THINKING IS FOR US TO FIND A PROJECT THAT REALLY FITS WITH OUR GOALS, OUR EXPRESSED GOALS IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SAY NO SOMETIMES TO THINGS THAT ARE CLEARLY BAD FOR TERRELL. AND WHEN I LOOK AT THIS ONE, I HOLD ON. I LOOK AT THIS DEVELOPMENT. HOLD ON, HOLD ON, Y'ALL KEEP ORDER, PLEASE. I LOOK AT THIS DEVELOPMENT AND I THINK THIS IS REALLY THE CLEAREST POSSIBLE PICTURE OF THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO BRING A NEGATIVE IMPACT TO OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S JUST IT'S TOO DENSE, IT'S TOO DENSELY POPULATED. IT'S JUST ADJACENT TO OUR HISTORIC HOMES DISTRICT.

I FEAR THAT IT'S JUST GOING TO BRING A LOT OF NEGATIVITY. AND WE'RE HEARING OUR CITIZENS SAY, WE DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR FOR US. IT'S GOING TO CAUSE US PROBLEMS WITH TRAFFIC AND INFRASTRUCTURE. SO I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO

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AND AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF ZONING IS FOR US TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING, TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE DEVELOPMENTS FIT SEAMLESSLY INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND DON'T CREATE THESE OVERWHELMING PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE SEEING IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. LOOK, MAKE NO MISTAKE, I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO STOP ANY AND ALL GROWTH. I THINK THAT WHAT WE GET CAUGHT UP IN SOMETIMES IS THE THOUGHT OF LIKE, IF WE SAY NO TO ONE PROJECT, OR IF WE LOOK AT IT AND SAY, IT'S NOT A GOOD FIT FOR TERRELL, THAT MEANS WE'RE SUDDENLY ANTI-GROWTH. BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE. WE CAN BE SMART ABOUT HOW WE GROW AND PICK GOOD PROJECTS THAT ARE GOOD FOR TERRELL. YOU KNOW, I'VE SPOKEN TO A LOT OF REALTORS AND DEVELOPERS AROUND THIS AREA AND AROUND DFW AND SIMILAR COMMUNITIES. AND WHAT THEY'RE TELLING ME IS, THIS IS NOT THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THEIR CUSTOMERS ARE SEEKING. THEY'RE SEEKING MOVING OUT TO A PLACE LIKE TERRELL WHERE THEY GET A LARGER LOT, THEY GET MORE SPACE. THEY'RE NOT LOOKING TO MOVE TO TERRELL, TO LIVE IN A TINY PATIO HOME, CROWDED IN WITH 200 OTHER PEOPLE ON A TINY, YOU KNOW, EIGHT HOUSES ON AN ACRE. I THINK THE WHAT I WORRY ABOUT IS WE KEEP HEARING THIS, THIS REPEATED AGAIN AND AGAIN, THAT DENSITY DOESN'T MATTER. YOU KNOW, THAT THAT SHOULDN'T BE A FACTOR WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING THESE DEVELOPMENTS. BUT I THINK IT'S CLEAR IF WE LOOK TO OUR NEIGHBORS JUST TO THE WEST, I DON'T LIKE TO TALK OR TO SPEAK ILL OF OUR NEIGHBORS, BUT WE SEE THE PROBLEMS WE'RE HAVING TODAY. WE SEE IT. AND I WANT TO DO A MUCH BETTER JOB OF MANAGING OUR OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, OUR CRIME, OUR TRAFFIC, OUR, OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. AS A FINAL POINT, I WANT TO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REMEMBER THAT WE HAVE SO MUCH HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF GROWTH THAT IF WE SAY YES TO THIS WITHOUT FULLY LOOKING AT IT IN CONTEXT, WE LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THESE PROJECTS INDIVIDUALLY. INSTEAD OF SAYING, OKAY, WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND TERRELL? WHAT IS THE SUM TOTAL OF ALL THIS? WHAT DOES IT ALL AMOUNT TO THEN? I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING A FOOL OF OURSELVES. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PICTURE. IN CLOSING, JUST THE CITIZENS HERE HAVE SPOKEN LOUDLY. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE EXPRESSED THAT THEY DON'T SEE THIS AS AN APPROPRIATE NEIGHBOR. AND THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR US TO DENY ZONING FOR THE PROJECT. COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU. BUT I HAVE A COUPLE OF ISSUES WITH WHAT WAS SAID AND YOUR ASSESSMENT. I DON'T THINK THIS COUNCIL JUMPS AT EVERY DEVELOPMENT, AND I DON'T THINK WE DON'T REJECT DEVELOPMENTS.

WE HAVE HAD PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME FORWARD AND WE'VE SAID NO TO. IS THAT CORRECT? NAME ONE.

YEAH, RIGHT. ONE, IT DOESN'T GET TO US BECAUSE WE DON'T VOTE ON IT BECAUSE WE I MEAN, THIS COUNCIL, THOUGH, IT DOESN'T GET TO US BECAUSE. RIGHT. NO, BUT IT DOESN'T COME TO US WHEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. WHY WOULD WE LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO REJECT? AND IT HASN'T EVEN MADE IT THROUGH OUR PROCESS YET. BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT THERE'S BUSINESS THINGS THAT HAVE WE'VE BEEN APPROACHED ON THAT. WE'VE SAID NO THROUGH TO EDC IN THE PAST. I KNOW THAT THERE'S PROJECTS THAT WERE HOUSING THAT WEREN'T UP TO STANDARDS THAT WE'VE SAID NO TO. SO I, I GET YOUR POINT. I UNDERSTAND I AGREE WITH YOU ON YOU DON'T NEED TO RUSH INTO IT. BUT WE DON'T DO THAT. I THINK STAFF IS VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT THEY PRESENT TO US. WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE. RIGHT. AND FROM TIME TO TIME WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TOUGH DECISIONS BECAUSE THE COUNCIL I MEAN, THE STAFF IS ONLY DOING THEIR WORK. AND THERE'S A PROCESS IN PLACE THAT THE STATE HAS PUT FORWARD. AND IF YOU CHECK YOUR BOXES, THEN IT COMES TO THE COUNCIL. SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST THOSE TWO POINTS, I, I, I DISAGREE WITH THAT. WE, WE JUMP AT EVERY DEVELOPMENT. WE DON'T DO THAT. AND WE CERTAINLY HAVE REJECTED DEVELOPMENTS IN THE

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WE'RE GOING INTO THE 90TH LEGISLATURE. AND I'M TELLING YOU THIS BECAUSE I HAVE TO HAVE IN MY HEAD, WHY ARE WE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING? THERE IS A WHY. THERE IS A ORDINANCES DON'T FALL OUT OF THE SKY. THERE IS A REASON THAT SOMEONE PUTS A BUNCH OF WHEREASES IN BIG FAT PRINT UP FOR ME TO READ. MAKE ME MAD AND I'M LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE. THEY DIDN'T MAKE THIS UP. NOBODY MAKES THIS UP. SO I DON'T DO FACEBOOK, INSTAGRAM, TIKTOK. I HAVE A LOT OF PICTURES. SOMEONE SAYS, POST THEM. I'M LIKE, WHY? BECAUSE YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE TALKING. WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A GOLF COURSE. AND THE TEXAS STATE LEGISLATURE, ALONG WITH EVERY OTHER INVESTOR THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A UNITED STATES COMPANY, IS LOOKING AT THE GLOBE AS PROPERTY. NOT TEXAS, BUT PROPERTY. AND THEY HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO GO TO AUSTIN AND SAY, WE WANT THIS. AND IT'S LIKE, CLOSE YOUR EYES AND POINT. AND TEXAS IS THE LARGEST THING ON THE MAP. NOW, MY COLLEAGUE COUNCILMAN ROBERTSON LOVES TO. HE'S GOT A BEAUTIFUL VOICE. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE WHY. AND HE'S GOING TO TELL YOU HIS HEART AND HOW HE WANTS TO GO. AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, WE HAVE A LEGISLATURE THAT DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ANY OF THAT. THEY ARE DETERMINED. DETERMINED TO TAKE AWAY THE AUTHORITY OF THIS. I DON'T CARE ABOUT ANY OTHER CITY IN TEXAS. I'M TALKING ABOUT TERRELL. THEY ARE DETERMINED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS NO AUTHORITY TO PROTECT YOUR RIGHTS AS A CITIZEN. AND I HAD A GENTLEMAN TELL ME TOOK OFF HIS HAT. DONNA RENEE, YOU'RE ONLY JUST ONE VOICE, DARLING.

MAKE ME MAD. MAKE ME MAD. SO I NEED VOICES. BECAUSE THE 90TH LEGISLATURE IS COMING LIKE A JUGGERNAUT. AND THE ONE BILL THAT EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE IGNORING THAT PASSED LAST YEAR WAS SENATE BILL 840. NOW, MYRA, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S HERE. MISS MATA HELPS ME WITH THIS LEGISLATIVE STUFF. AND LAST YEAR OR THE LAST SESSION, THE 89TH LEGISLATURE HAD 8000 BILLS.

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THEY HAVE STARTED IN MAY. SORRY, APRIL WITH COMMITTEES TO PREPARE FOR THE 90TH LEGISLATURE IN 2027. AND WE CAN ARGUE, BUT WE AS A CITY NEED TO COME TOGETHER AS CITIZENS TO SAY, WE WANT YOU TO HEAR OUR VOICE, BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GOING TO WIN. UNLIKE SOME CITIES HAVE GONE UP AGAINST SOME OF THESE LEGISLATORS, THEY HAVE BEEN SANCTIONED. THEY CAN DO THAT. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A VOICE, THEN YOU NEED TO BECOME A PART OF OUR LEGISLATIVE ACTION COMMITTEE. THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE WRITING NICE LETTERS. WE'RE GOING TO SEND EMAILS, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE PHONE CALLS. AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO USE THE ELECTRONICS, THEN WRITE A LETTER. BUT THEY NEED TO HEAR OUR VOICE, NOT MY VOICE, NOT OUR VOICES, BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE HAS DECIDED THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS, BUT WE HAVE ELECTED THEM EVERY SINGLE TIME. OUR REPRESENTATIVES HAVE NEVER INTRODUCED LEGISLATION FOR US IN TAROT, NEVER. THEY HAVE NEVER VOTED FOR US. BUT THEY COME AND VISIT. AND I'M TELLING YOU ALL OF THIS BECAUSE. NOW I KNOW HOW IT WORKS, AND I ONLY KNOW A LITTLE BIT. BUT IN THE 90TH LEGISLATURE, WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A VOICE IF NO ONE SAYS ANYTHING. WE ARE NOT, AS A COUNCIL GOING TO BE ABLE TO SAY NO. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE CONTROL.

WE CAN SAY WHAT WE WANT, WE CAN SAY WE WANT THIS AND THIS IS HOW WE WANT IT TO BE. YOU AS RESIDENTS, NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE DO YOU WANT TO BE ON THAT SIDE OF THE COIN? BECAUSE THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR HORSES. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR BIRCH TREES. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR LOVELY ANIMALS. THEY WILL DROP A DEVELOPMENT IN THE ETJ IN YOUR BACKYARD THAT'S COMING. THAT'S HAPPENING. THEY DON'T LIKE HOME RULE CITIES. THAT'S TERRIBLE. AND 1250 OF THE REST OF US. SO WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? AND HOW DO YOU WANT THE VOICE? DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT? THAT DOESN'T MEAN THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE. I'M NOT GOING TO LIE.

WE DO THIS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GOING TO WIN. THERE ARE NO WINNERS. BUT I WOULD LIKE US TO BE HEARD. BECAUSE I HEARD YOU ALL TONIGHT, AND I KNOW MOST OF YOU. I ENJOY SHAKING YOUR HANDS. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT I'M ENJOYING THE LITTLE BATTLE WITH THE LEGISLATURE. I'VE BEEN TO AUSTIN. WAXAHACHIE? WHAT'S THAT, ROUND ROCK? I JUST GO DOWN 35 AND GO DOWN SOUTH. I'VE SHOOK HANDS WITH THOSE MEN AND WOMEN, AND IF WE DON'T TALK TO THEM, THEY DON'T. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING FOR US. I'VE BUILT RELATIONSHIPS, HAD SOME TOUGH CONVERSATIONS, BUT I'M ONLY ONE VOICE. AND WE NEED TO HEAR ALL OF YOURS. SO JULY 24TH AT 2:00 AT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, WE'RE MEETING FOR A STRATEGY TO JOIN WITH THE TEXAS

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BUT IF WE BUILD A CERTAIN KIND OF HOUSE IN THAT AREA, THEY GET A 30 TO 40 YEARS TO TERRELL STATE HOSPITAL. BUT THEY COULD NEVER LIVE IN THOSE HOUSES. AND I WANT TO ELIMINATE THAT. I'M JUST THE TEACHER PRETTY MUCH BECAUSE I'M A NURSE. BUT, YOU KNOW, MY HUSBAND WORKED AT MADDOX BEFORE HE PASSED. WE COULDN'T LIVE THE LIFE WE LIVED WORKING THAT MATRIX. WE HAD TO DO SOME THINGS TOGETHER. I THINK ABOUT THAT EVEN BEGINNING OF THE MEETING ABOUT THE GUY THAT CAME TIE. THAT'S THE NEW GUY FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. HE'S GOING TO BE RECRUITING MORE FACTORIES AND MORE DISTRIBUTION JOBS. OH, I KNOW WHAT THEY PAY. I KNOW WHAT MY HUSBAND MADE IT MATRIX. THANK GOD FOR THAT EXTRA HELP. BUT HE COULDN'T LIVE OUR LIVES WITH JUST WORKING LIKE THAT. AND FOR THE STATE HOSPITAL. AND I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THOSE PLACES BECAUSE THEY PROVIDED FOOD FOR MY CHILDREN. IT HELPED PAY FOR A PLACE TO LIVE TRANSPORTATION. WE HAD MONEY TO SEND THEM TO COLLEGE EVEN THOUGH THEY DIDN'T FINISH.

SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT. TODAY I'M JUST VOTING ON ZONING, AND I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT UP TO YOU GUYS TO MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW THE PROCESS. WHEN WE GET TO THE NEXT STAGE. I TRUST THAT P AND Z WILL DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. AND I WOULD ALSO, I'M HERE ON COUNCIL. I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT'S PRESENTED DURING THAT NEXT PHASE SO I CAN MAKE THE BEST INFORMED DECISION. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I WANT TO CAUTION US AGAINST LOOKING AT ZONING AS, OH, WE'RE JUST VOTING ON ZONING. IT'S JUST ZONING. ZONING IS THE PRIMARY CONTROL THAT WE HAVE REGARDING WHAT GETS BUILT IN THE CITY AS A CITY GOVERNMENT. IT'S THE PRIMARY CONTROL THAT WE HAVE TO MANAGE THAT. AND THE PURPOSE OF IT IS TO MAKE SURE, AGAIN, THAT NEW BUILDS FIT SEAMLESSLY INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, ALIGN WITH INFRASTRUCTURE GOALS, DON'T

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OKAY. I, I UNDERSTAND I GOT THE MESSAGE YOU ARE AGAINST THE SITUATION. I GOT THAT I KNOW THIS IS BEYOND JUST BEING AGAINST IT, BUT I EVERYONE HERE, HOLD ON. LET'S NOT LET'S NOT TALK OVER EACH OTHER. I'M STILL SPEAKING. OKAY? THIS ENTIRE GROUP THAT LIVE ADJACENT TO IT ARE ALL. IT'S NOT ME. IT'S A WHOLE DISTRICT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT THIS TO BE THERE IN THEIR DISTRICT. SO IT DOESN'T FIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY SAID IT DOESN'T. AND OUR OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO LISTEN TO THEM AND REPRESENT THEM. IF WE DON'T DO THAT, WE'RE FAILING AT OUR JOB. OKAY. POINT TAKEN. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO HERE WE ARE. THANK YOU FOR COMMENTS. COUNCIL. AND AGAIN, WE MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS. BUT WE MOVE FORWARD AS A CITY, RIGHT.

YOUR DECISION IS BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCES AND WHAT YOU FEEL. SO WE ARE CONSIDERING ORDINANCE NUMBER 3168. THIS IS ITEM 7.2. IS THERE A MOTION. ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 3168. SOMEONE'S GOING TO NEED TO MAKE A MOTION BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION. MOTION TO DENY ORDINANCE NUMBER 3168. HOLD ON. IS THIS. IS THAT WHAT IF IF HE IS AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT, HE WOULD DENY ORDINANCE NUMBER 3168. THAT IS CORRECT. COUNCILMAN, IS THAT YOUR MOTION? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND FROM. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM PHIL ROBERTSON, DISTRICT FIVE, A SECOND FROM STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS, OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT FOUR, TO DENY ORDINANCE NUMBER 3168. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I, I. I.

SO THE MAYOR VOTES IF THERE'S A TIE. SO THOSE AGAINST NAY, NAY AND NAY. AND AGAIN COUNCIL, AS I SAID BEFORE, WHEN I'M APPROACHED BY A. I HAD A I HAD A MOTION. YOU CAN DEVOTE A DIFFERENT TABLES, A MOTION TO. YES. I SECOND THE MOTION. YEAH. I CAN DENY IT. YEAH. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THE MOTION GOING. SO THERE IS A TWO TWO TIE. AND AS I'VE STATED BEFORE, AND I FEEL LIKE ONE. OUR PLANNING AND ZONING HAS DENIED IT. TWO I HAD A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WAS ASKED FOR SUPPORT. AND WHENEVER I CAN, I GIVE THAT SUPPORT TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER. SO THE MAYOR WILL VOTE. YAY FOR THE MOTION AND IT PASSES. PHIL, YOUR MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 7.3. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER FUNDING REQUESTS FROM THE NORTH TEXAS LONGHORNS SUMMER TRACK CLUB FOR ATHLETES COMPETING COMPETING IN THE TWO 2026 TEXAS AMATEUR ATHLETIC FEDERATION. THE TAAF SUMMER GAMES IN COLLEGE STATION, TEXAS

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IT WE TRY TO RAISE ENOUGH FOR THE KIDS TO EAT GOOD MEALS, BUT IF NOT, THEN IT IS WHAT IT IS.

WE HAVE TO EAT HAMBURGERS AND HOT DOGS. SO WE LEAVE THAT KIND OF BROAD. SO THE MAIN EXPENSE IS TRANSPORTATION AND HOTEL. AND THAT'S THE MAIN THING THAT WE FOCUS ON WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO RAISE FUNDS. HOW MANY KIDS ATTEND? WE HAVE 135 THIS YEAR, 135, BUT NOT NOT ALL 135. GO DO WE? OH, NO, NO, THEY HAVE TO QUALIFY. AND WE HAVE THE REGIONAL MEET COMING UP THIS WEEK, THIS WEEKEND. SO AFTER THE REGIONAL MEET WE'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHO'S GOING. DO WE HAVE A GUESSTIMATE OF THE NUMBER OF ATHLETES THAT WILL BE ATTENDING? WE NORMALLY AVERAGE 50 TO 55 KIDS, 50 TO 55. OKAY. SO MARK, HOW WOULD WE DO A REQUEST LIKE THIS? NORMALLY THIS IS THIS IS SAYING IT'S A GENERAL FUND AND PARKS DEPARTMENT SPECIAL EVENTS. IS THAT WHERE THAT MONEY WOULD COME FROM? CORRECT. IT IS. AND DO WE HAVE FUNDS IN OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT, SPECIAL EVENTS AND GENERAL FUND TO SUPPORT THIS REQUEST? THERE ARE NOT BUDGETED FUNDS AVAILABLE SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS, BUT I'LL DEFER TO RAYLAND. WE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE FUNDS TO COVER A GRANT FOR THEM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET INFORMATION FOR THE COUNCIL AS THEY DECIDE WHAT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. WE'VE WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST. YES, YES. OKAY. HOW MANY YEARS DO WE KNOW WE'VE DONE IT? WELL, WE'VE BEEN GOING FOR 20 YEARS. PLUS WE STARTED IN 2006, AND WE IMMEDIATELY REACHED OUT TO THE CITY. AND JUST ABOUT EVERY YEAR THERE WAS THERE WAS A COUPLE OF YEARS IN THERE THAT THE CITY WASN'T ABLE TO HELP OUT FOR WHATEVER REASON. AND BUT NOT MANY. OKAY. FOR THE MOST PART. SO TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LIABILITY AND HOLDING THE CITY HARMLESS IN THE EVENT, WHO IS IT THAT WE'RE. IS IT A PROFESSIONAL BUSING COMPANY OR IS IT INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DRIVING. HOW DO WHAT WHAT ARE WE DOING THERE? SO RECOMMENDATION BY STAFF IS IF Y'ALL WERE TO COME UP WITH A GRANT AMOUNT, THAT IT WOULD BE FOR PROGRAMING FOR THE ORGANIZATION AND IT NOT BE LINKED DIRECTLY TO LODGING OR TRANSPORTATION, IT WOULD JUST BE AN ORGANIZATIONAL DONATION. THAT WAY THE CITY WOULD NOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR HOW THE FUNDS WERE USED, NOR WOULD IT COME BACK FOR TRANSPORTATION.

OKAY, SO WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT GRANTING MONEY FOR TRANSPORTATION. IT'S IRRELEVANT TO US HOW THE FUNDS ARE BEING USED. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT. SOMETHING TO COME BACK TO THE CITY. SO HOW WE WOULD DO IT, WE WOULD JUST GRANT TO THE PROGRAM THE $6,613.70 NOT TO EXCEED. AS OF RIGHT NOW. Y'ALL HAD ASKED FOR THE FUNDRAISING THAT HAD TAKEN PLACE. SO THE TOTAL THE LAST TIME THAT WE MET WAS 6613. AND HE IS REPORTING THAT THEY HAVE RAISED 3500. SO SO THE DIFFERENCE OR WHATEVER AMOUNT.

OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL. SO DO Y'ALL NEED ANY MORE INFORMATION? I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK IN THIS COMMUNITY. THERE'S NO WAY I COULD BE OUT THERE IN THAT HEAT.

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I'M NOT GOING TO REGRET IT. BUT CONCERN I TOLD YOU I HAD AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, I KNOW THESE PROGRAMS REALLY HELP OUR CHILDREN COMPETE AT THE NEXT LEVEL IN HIGH SCHOOL. MIDDLE SCHOOL. I KNOW PERSONALLY, MY GREAT NEPHEW THAT WAS A LEADING RUSHER FOR TERRELL. EVERYBODY'S GOING TO WACO AND EVERYWHERE ELSE TO SEE HIM RUN THESE KIND OF PROGRAMS CONTRIBUTED TO THAT AND HIS LITTLE SIBLINGS. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, MY CONCERN WAS WHEN WE EMBRACE CHILDREN OUTSIDE OF TERRELL, SOMETIMES YOU'RE BUILDING. KIND OF BUILDING. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE STRENGTH TO AS FAR AS HOW WELL THEY RESPOND. WHEN WE MEET UP. AGAIN, THAT'S JUST MY ONLY CONCERN. BUT THE CHILDREN, I GET IT. YEAH. I LOVE SOME OF THE KIDS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF TERRELL. THEIR PARENTS WENT TO TERRELL. OKAY. BECAUSE IF YOU NOTICE, THERE'S A COUPLE KIDS FROM DUNCANVILLE, SOME FROM CEDAR HILL. THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO DRIVE AN HOUR PASSING. ALL THOSE PROGRAMS COME THE HOURS, BUT THE PARENTS HAVE FOUNDATION FROM TERRELL, AND THEY WANT THEIR KIDS TO BE INVOLVED, AND SOMEDAY THEY MAY MOVE BACK. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE MESQUITE KIDS DID MOVE BACK, GET BACK INTO. SO SOMETIMES THERE'S OTHER THINGS INVOLVED WITH THEM STILL WANTING TO TIE IN TO THE PROGRAM. OKAY. THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT YOU AND YOUR PROGRAM. THANK YOU. IF THAT PEOPLE WOULD, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE FROM TERRELL, THEY WANT TO BE A PART WANT THEIR KIDS TO BE A PART. SO WE'RE APPRECIATIVE. I'M APPRECIATIVE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND JUST KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. ANYONE ELSE? I BELIEVE IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR US TO INVEST IN OUR YOUTH, BUT WITH REGARD TO BEING A GOOD STEWARD OF OUR TAX DOLLARS FOR THE CITY OF PEOPLE, PAY TAXES FOR LOCAL INTERESTS IN THE PUBLIC GOOD HERE LOCALLY IN TERRELL, I NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT PERCENTAGE OF KIDS INVOLVED IN THIS ARE CITIZENS OF TERRELL. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THEM? 80 OF THE 135. SO ABOUT A LITTLE OVER HALF OF THEM ARE TERRELL CITIZENS AND THE REST ARE NOT. AND I DO FEEL A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE GIVING OUR CITIZENS TAX MONEY TO KIDS WHO LIVE IN CEDAR HILL, DUNCANVILLE, OTHER CITIES. TO ME, THAT THAT'S A BIT OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. AND IT'S. IT FEELS LIKE. I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THE TYPICAL CITIZENS OF TERRELL WOULD BE OKAY WITH ME DOING THAT. THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN. SO FOR FOR THE COUNCILMAN, IS THERE A DOLLAR AMOUNT PER KID YOU'RE THINKING? AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS YOUR REQUEST INITIALLY WAS 66, 1370.

WHAT IF WE BACKED OUT THE KIDS THAT YOU THINK AREN'T. RESIDENTS OF TERRELL, THEN YOUR THE MONEY YOU DID RAISE COULD COVER THAT. AND THE CITY COVER THE KIDS THAT ARE FROM TERRELL.

THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. DON'T KNOW. WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT A 33,000 133,000, 3000 1000. RIGHT. YEAH. 3116 80 KIDS. HOW MANY OF THOSE OUT OF TAROT ARE GOING? 2030? WELL, THEY WON'T KNOW UNTIL AFTER THE RACE THIS WEEKEND IF WE COME WITH JUST A BASIC NUMBER 1000, YOU KNOW, KEEP IT, KEEP IT LOW, YOU KNOW, KEEP IT A ROUNDED NUMBER. THAT'LL GIVE THEM AN AVERAGE OF 2100 JUST TO RAISE, YOU KNOW. NO, THEY'VE ALREADY RAISED 3500. YES. YEAH.

SO THEY'VE I THINK THEY'VE COVERED THE COST OF THE NON RESIDENTS. SO THIS MONEY WOULD BE FOR THE KIDS THAT ARE FROM TERRELL. YES. COULD WE STIPULATE THAT ESSENTIALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE BALANCE THAT IS STILL THEY NEED TO RAISE WHICH IS 3000 3113. AND YOU DIVIDED THAT BY THE TOTAL NUMBER OF STUDENTS, WHICH IS 135, YOU END UP WITH ABOUT $23 PER STUDENT.

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SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. I WOULD PREFER TO INVEST IN THE KIDS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE OFF THE STREET AND DOING SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE AND LEARNING SOME DISCIPLINE. I'M, I GOT I GOT A FEELING THIS COACH RIGHT HERE KEEPS THEM PRETTY WELL DISCIPLINED. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. AND SO THEY'RE. YES SIR. NO SIR, I'M SURE. AND, AND I DON'T SEE I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM. IT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY WHEN YOU LOOK AT. BUT I UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES. IT'S YOUR IT'S YOUR CALL. JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, WHY WOULD THE WHY WOULD THE KIDS WHO LIVE IN OTHER CITIES NOT REQUEST MONEY FROM THE CITY THAT THEY LIVE IN? WE'RE ACTUALLY A TERRELL BASED PROGRAM. SO IF YOU GO TO OTHER CITIES, THEY'RE LIKE, Y'ALL DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THAT ARE COMING OVER. OTHER PARENTS DECIDE TO BRING THEIR KIDS OVER THERE, MAKE AN EXCUSE ON THEIR OWN OR OTHER PROGRAMS. A LOT OF OTHER PROGRAMS THIS MORNING IN MESQUITE, ALL THE WAY BACK TO DUNCANVILLE, BUT THEY DECIDED TO COME TO US. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TURN THEM AWAY. WE'RE NOT GOING TO I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING TO QUESTION THAT. I'M I'M, I WELCOME IN, I WELCOME IN AND LIKE I SAID, MOST MOST TIMES IT'S BECAUSE THE PARENTS HAVE TIES TO. YEAH. CAN I MAKE A POINT TO I'VE HEARD THE ARGUMENT ABOUT FACILITIES BEING FOR KIDS PROGRAMS BEING FOR TERRELL KIDS. SOMETIMES THERE'S NOT ENOUGH KIDS IN OUR COMMUNITY TO PARTICIPATE. SO THERE ARE KIDS THAT LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS, WHETHER THEY'RE IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND PARTICIPATING, BUT NOT NOT RESIDENTS OF THE CITY.

THEY'RE COUNTY RESIDENTS, BUT THEY GO TO TERRELL HIGH SCHOOL. AS LONG AS THEY'RE PARTICIPATING IN THE TERRELL PROGRAM. I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN. I WOULD AGREE 100% WITH OUR COUNCILMAN FROM DISTRICT FIVE. IF WE WERE GIVING MONEY TO A SOMEONE IN DESOTO THAT WAS RUNNING INTO SODA THAT I WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.

BUT IF THEY'RE COMING TO TERRELL TO PARTICIPATE IN THE TERRELL, THEY'RE GOING TO BE WEARING THE TERRELL UNIFORM REPRESENTING TERRELL. THESE KIDS WILL. RIGHT. SO WHAT WHAT IS THE UNIFORM? WHAT AREN'T THEY. THE TRACKSUIT TEXAS LONGHORNS, RIGHT? NOT TERRELL DOESN'T HAVE TERRELL ON. WHEN PEOPLE ASK US, THEY LIKE, WHERE ARE Y'ALL FROM? TERRELL. SO EVERYBODY KNOW US AS CAN YOU PUT TERRELL ON IT? ALRIGHT, THERE YOU GO. PUT A STICKER ON THERE THAT SAYS TERRELL TEXAS ON. I THINK THE EDC WOULD WOULD CHIP IN ON THAT RIGHT. CARLTON BACK THERE YOUR SLEEP. BUT. THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD PROGRAM FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION TO SELL THE CITY. ALRIGHT. YES. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, IF I MAY. JUST A POINT OF ORDER.

JUST THE COUNCIL. IF THE COUNCIL SO CHOOSES TO CONTRIBUTE FUNDS, I WOULD ADVISE THE COUNCIL ALSO MAKE EITHER INCLUDING YOUR MOTION OR SEPARATELY, A FINDING THAT THE EXPENDITURE OF THE FUNDS MEETS A PUBLIC PURPOSE. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. SO WHAT IS THE WHAT WHAT REQUEST ARE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

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SO. 31143114 OKAY. VERSUS THE THE 61 1370 THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET. ALL RIGHT, COACH WILLIS OH, GO AHEAD. CAN I SAY IT? IF WE YOU'RE AT 52, IT WAS 52.9% THAT YOU'VE RAISED. WE NEED TO BE AT ABOUT WHAT WE SAY 59. SO IF WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GO OVER THAT, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. JUST TO GIVE. UNDERSTANDING TO MR. ROBERTSON'S. POINT, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC FUNDS ARE GOING FOR, YOU KNOW, PERSONAL USE, EVEN FOR CHILDREN. YEAH, I COULD, I COULD. SO CAN I HELP YOU OUT? AND I NEED LEGAL HERE.

SO IF WE AUTHORIZED A DOLLAR AMOUNT AND WE SAID THAT IT'S FOR A ATHLETIC PROGRAM, A GRANT FOR ATHLETIC PROGRAM REPRESENTING TERRELL. KIDS, AND IT WAS TO HELP KEEP THEM OFF THE STREET. IS THAT A A PUBLIC PURPOSE? YES. THAT COULD MEET THE PUBLIC PURPOSE, JUST THE PUBLIC PURSE PURPOSE DOCTRINES FAIRLY BROAD FROM AG OPINIONS, BUT I WOULD ADVISE THAT YOU JUST FINDING IN YOUR DISCRETION THAT THE EXPENDITURE ON THE MOTION PUBLIC, BUT WITHOUT NAMING WHAT THAT PURPOSE IS, IF YOU WANT TO NAME IT, THAT'S EVEN BETTER. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO ALRIGHT, Y'ALL GOT SOMETHING TO WORK WITH? YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION? THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? NO QUESTIONS. I NEED A MOTION. ARE WE GOING TO. OKAY.

SO THE MOTION IS CAN WE SAY ANY AMOUNT. RIGHT. SO I CAN JUST SAY 3000. YES. YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE THEM SHORT. 114. PHILIP TAKE CARE OF THAT ONE. OH YEAH. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. I JUST NEED A MOTION. REMEMBER TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IT MEETS PUBLIC PURPOSE. YOU'RE WELCOME TO SAY KEEPING KIDS OFF THE STREET. IF THAT MEETS THE STANDARD, THEN THAT WOULD BE GOOD. SO WE I'D MAKE A MOTION TO TO APPROVE 3114. OKAY. SPECIAL PURPOSE. CORRECT. GOTCHA. FOR THE PUBLIC PURPOSE.

OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND, A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION FROM JORGE VARGAS, DISTRICT THREE, A SECOND FROM STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM OF DISTRICT FOUR, TO APPROVE AN AMOUNT OF $3,114 GRANT FOR PROGRAMING FOR THE LONGHORN SUMMER TRACK CLUB, NORTH TEXAS, NORTH TEXAS LONGHORN SUMMER TRACK CLUB FROM TERRELL TO MEET THE PUBLIC PURPOSE OF KEEPING THE KIDS OFF OF THE STREET. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY. FURTHER COMMENTS? SO WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY SAYING AYE. AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? NAY. MOTION CARRIES 3 TO 1. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS RECEIVER.

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