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          [1. CALL TO ORDER]
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GUEST. MY GRANDSON IS WITH US THIS EVENING, AND HE GOT TO GAVEL US IN, SO THANK YOU, MASON, FOR THAT. AT THIS TIME, THE MAYOR WILL CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR 6 P.M. TUESDAY, MAY THE 26TH AT 2026 IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 201 EAST NASH STREET IN TERRELL, TEXAS. HAVE WITH US ON THE DAIS. DISTRICT TWO. DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. WE HAVE DISTRICT THREE, JORGE VARGAS. WE HAVE DISTRICT FOUR, STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS AND DISTRICT FIVE. PHIL ROBERTSON, OUR MAYOR PRO TEM. SO WE HAVE A QUORUM. WE WILL CONTINUE WITH OUR MEETING. WE ALSO HAVE OUR CITY MANAGER, MARK MILLS WITH US. WE HAVE LEGAL WITH US AND CITY STAFF. SO AT THIS TIME WE'LL CONTINUE. I WOULD LIKE FOR PASTOR WEEMS TO COME FORWARD AND LEAD US IN INVOCATION AND REMAIN STANDING FOR OUR PLEDGES. PLEASE. BOW OUR HEADS FOR A MOMENT OF PRAYER. FATHER, TODAY WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACE, YOUR MERCY AND BLESSINGS UPON THE CITY OF TERRELL. YOU HAVE BEEN SO GOOD TO US AND FOR THIS WE ARE THANKFUL. WE ASK FOR YOUR DIVINE GUIDANCE, YOUR WISDOM AND DISCERNMENT OVER THIS CITY COUNCIL MEETING. GRANT THESE LEADERS CLARITY IN THEIR DECISIONS, INTEGRITY IN THEIR ACTIONS, AND A SPIRIT OF UNITY AS THEY WORK FOR THE GOOD OF OUR COMMUNITY. LORD, BLESS OUR MAYOR, OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, OUR CITY STAFF, FIRST RESPONDERS, BUSINESSES, SCHOOLS AND FAMILIES, AND ALL WHO SERVE IN OUR COMMUNITY. WATCH OVER TERRELL AND HELP US BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES ENTRUSTED TO US. MAY THIS MEETING BE PRODUCTIVE, RESPECTFUL, AND GUIDED BY A SHARED COMMITMENT TO THE WELL-BEING OF ALL. IN YOUR NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN, AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE. ALRIGHT, AS WE PREPARE THE COUNCIL FOR OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH WOULD BE MAYOR AND COUNCIL COMMUNITY RECOGNITIONS, I NOTICE THERE'S PLENTY OF INDIVIDUALS HERE. IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK. IF YOU COULD PLEASE FILL OUT A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION FORM. THEY'RE LOCATED AT THE BACK. OMAR, WOULD YOU RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU NEED A FORM TO FILL OUT, PLEASE LET OMAR OR CITY STAFF KNOW. AND THAT WOULD HELP US OUT TREMENDOUSLY. SO AS WE BEGIN OUR COMMUNITY 
          [2. MAYOR AND COUNCIL COMMUNITY RECOGNITION AND EVENTS]
RECOGNITIONS AND EVENTS, LET'S START WITH THE COUNCIL. YOUTH COUNCIL, WHO IS HERE? ELMIRA? NO. 000, I'M SORRY, PHIL, I APOLOGIZE. THEY HAVE SWEARING IN OF DISTRICT FIVE COUNCILMAN PHIL ROBINSON. THAT IS. THAT'S MY BAD. CONGRATULATIONS, SIR. SO AT THIS TIME, COUNCILMAN ROBINSON WAS RUN UNOPPOSED. SO THIS IS HIS FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND BE SWORN IN. DO YOU HAVE SOMEONE TO SWEAR YOU IN, PHIL? YES, I DO, MAYOR. MY PASTOR AT FIRST ASSEMBLY, MATT ARRINGTON. WONDERFUL. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD. MATT. PASTOR. 
          WELL, IS IS ALL YOUR FAMILY HERE? PHIL. OKAY, OKAY. GOOD TO SEE YOU. THANK YOU. LEFT OR RIGHT? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. SO YOU HAVE TO BE PLEASED. YES, SIR. I. PHIL ROBINSON, PHIL ROBINSON, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR. DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES, THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF COUNCIL MEMBER FOR DISTRICT FIVE AND THE OFFICE OF COUNCIL. MEMBER FOR DISTRICT. DISTRICT FIVE FOR THE CITY OF TERRELL. 
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STATE OF TEXAS. FOR THE CITY OF TERRELL. STATE OF TEXAS, AND WILL DO AND WILL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND. WHAT ARE THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF THIS STATE AND THE CHARTER AND ORDINANCES OF THIS CITY AND OF THIS STATE AND THE CHARTER AND ORDINANCES OF THIS CITY. SO. SO HELP ME GOD. CONGRATULATIONS, PHIL. DON'T. DON'T GO ANYWHERE. PHIL! HOLD ON. ONE. DAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          BUT IF HE LOSES HIS. DON'T GIVE HIM YOURS. ALRIGHT. THIS IS THE PEN. AND ONLY WHAT I WOULD DO IS. DO SOMETHING. THANK YOU. SO. 
          AT THIS TIME, WE'RE GOING TO RECESS FOR JUST ABOUT 5 MINUTES OR 10 MINUTES. AND LET HER LET PHIL GET SOME PHOTOS. IS HALLOWEEN. ALRIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO RECONVENE INTO OUR REGULAR MEETING AND AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. WE'LL CONTINUE WITH THE MAYOR AND COMMUNITY. MAYOR. YES. 
          SAY SOMETHING BRIEFLY. YES. YOU MAY. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU ALL WHO CAME TO CELEBRATE THIS OCCASION WITH ME. IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE GREAT HONORS OF MY LIFE TO SERVE THIS CITY. AS YOUR COUNCILMAN, I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT. YOU'VE GIVEN ME. NONE OF WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED COULD HAVE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT YOU AND WITHOUT YOUR HELP. IT'S BEEN SO MEANINGFUL, AND I WANT TO THANK MY FAMILY, ESPECIALLY MY WIFE, MARIANA, BECAUSE SHE'S THE ENGINE THAT KEEPS ALL OF THIS RUNNING. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T SEE ALL THE THAT GOES BEHIND THE SCENES TO KIND OF KEEP EVERYTHING RUNNING SMOOTHLY AND JUST SO HAPPY TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE ON. AND I JUST WANT TO THANK MY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND OUR MAYOR AND OUR STAFF FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE TO HELP, YOU KNOW, ACCOMPLISH ALL OUR GOALS. 
          AND WE HAVE BIG GOALS IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS. SO AND I LOOK FORWARD TO ACHIEVING THOSE. 
          THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. SO NEXT WOULD BE OUR ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER, OMAR ARMADA. WE HAVE OUR YOUTH COUNCIL RECOGNITION. OMAR, WOULD YOU INTRODUCE THEM? AND THEN WE HAVE SOMETHING TO PRESENT THEM AS WELL. YES, SIR. YES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WE HAVE WRAPPED UP OUR FIRST YEAR OF THE YOUTH COUNCIL. THESE FOUR WONDERFUL YOUNG LADIES AND GENTLEMEN HAVE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB. IT WAS KIND OF A LEARNING CURVE FOR BOTH OF US, WHICH I DID WARN THEM ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING, BUT THEY ENDED THE YEAR WITH THEIR COMMUNITY PROJECT THAT I'M SURE THEY WOULD LOVE TO TELL YOU ALL ABOUT, BUT THEIR PROJECT THIS YEAR WAS TO DO A FUNDRAISER FOR OUR ANIMAL ADOPTION CENTER. AND SO THEY HAD A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THEMSELVES. THEY EACH DONATED SOMETHING AS WELL, AND THEY ORGANIZED THAT BY THEMSELVES. THEY DID ALL THE FLIERS AND THEY DID OUTSTANDING. 
          SO WE'RE WRAPPING UP THIS YEAR WITH A LITTLE GIFT AND CERTIFICATE. WE'RE HOPING THAT THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL WILL GIVE IT TO THEM, AND THEN WE WILL TAKE A PICTURE. ALRIGHT. 
          IF YOU WOULD COUNCIL, LET'S DO SOME RECOGNITIONS AND A PHOTO TO DO THAT FIRST. OR DO YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM FIRST? NO, LET'S HEAR FROM THEM. HEAR FROM THEM FIRST. GUYS, Y'ALL WANT TO COME UP AND THIS IS ONE JUNIOR AND THREE FRESHMEN. YES, SIR. DON'T BE BASHFUL. CHAIRMAN. 
          THE CHAIRMAN. FIRST CHAIRPERSON. YES. MY NAME IS SUE SALAZAR. I'M THE CHAIRMAN. CHAIRPERSON. 
          OKAY. HOW WAS YOUR EXPERIENCE? IT WAS GOOD. IT WAS IT WAS A LEARNING CURVE. BUT I THINK IN THE END, WE ALL GAINED VALUABLE EXPERIENCE FROM THIS AND WE WOULD LOVE TO DO IT AGAIN. I MEAN, I SPEAK FOR MYSELF PERSONALLY, I LOVED IT, IT WAS GREAT. AND YEAH, WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU, THANK YOU. HI. MY NAME IS JOCELYN RODRIGUEZ AND I WAS A MEMBER. I MADE THE I MADE THE LIST AND I HAD A GREAT TIME DONATING AND HELPING ANIMALS. OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD. GOOD 
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AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ASHLEY AND I WAS A MEMBER AND AS WELL AS SECRETARY FOR THE YOUTH COUNCIL AND OVER I FOR THE PROJECT. I DID SOME OF THE MANAGEMENT FOR HOW TO GET THE INFORMATION ACROSS AND PLACEMENT OF THE OVERALL WHERE, WHERE THE STUFF WOULD BE DONATED AND YEAH. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS ELLA MERCADO. I WAS A VICE CHAIRMAN FOR THE YOUTH COUNCIL AND FOR MY PART OF THE PROJECT, I DID ALL OF THE FLIERS THAT YOU SAW ONLINE THAT HELPED CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROJECT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY LIKE, THIS BROUGHT ME GENUINE JOY TO HELP THE COMMUNITY. AND THANK YOU. WONDERFUL. WELL, HOPEFULLY THIS WILL LEAD TO MORE INVOLVEMENT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THE PROGRAM TOGETHER. WE LOOK FORWARD TO IT GROWING. AND IF WE WOULD COUNCIL COME FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT THEM WITH SOME CHALLENGE COINS AND THEN ALSO SOME PLAQUES. RIGHT. 
          SO. ALL RIGHT. SO NEXT WE HAVE RECOGNITION OF A COMMUNITY PROJECT. AND SO IT DEALS WITH THE BEN GILL PARK CONCESSION STAND AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAPPENED THERE. SO WE'RE RECOGNIZING A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS WHO TURNED A SIMPLE IDEA INTO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THE RENOVATION OF THE BEN GILL PARK CONCESSION STAND IS TRULY AN ACT OF LOVE, MADE POSSIBLE BY PEOPLE WHO STEPPED UP, GAVE GENEROUSLY, AND PUT IN THE WORK TO GET IT DONE. I WANT TO THANK ROSS ANTHONY AND JUSTIN TODD OF ANTHONY PROPERTIES, WHO WERE A PART OF THE GROUP, ALSO COLE HOLMAN WITH MONEY TITLE. WE HAD RAY RODELA AND THE TYA VOLUNTEERS. IN ADDITION TO THEM, MATT MALONE AND JUSTIN FIFE FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS AND LEADERSHIP ON THIS PROJECT. AND I SEE MATT AND JUSTIN WHO ARE HERE. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD. I HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU AND BECAUSE OF YOUR EFFORTS, THIS FACILITY IS READY TO SERVE OUR YOUTH AND FAMILIES FOR THE UPCOMING SEASON AND FOR YEARS TO COME. ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF TERRELL, BEHALF THE MAYOR AND BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND AT THIS TIME, WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT. IS THERE ANYBODY WITH THE TERRELL YOUTH ASSOCIATION, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE, COME FORWARD AS WELL? AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING BEFORE WE DO THE PRESENTATION OF THE COINS? NO, I'LL TELL YOU. YOU MENTIONED RAY. RAY IS THE ONE WITH THE IDEA. OKAY. HE'S HE'S A BOARD MEMBER FOR FOR TI. HE'S ALSO AT MCCOY'S, AND HE LEVERAGED EVERY CONTACT HE HAD IN HIS PHONE. HE STARTED WITH WITH JUSTIN. 
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JUSTIN CALLED ME. I CALLED EVERYONE AT THE CITY AND IT WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY SMOOTH FROM THAT POINT. BUT RAY'S IDEA TURNED INTO PRETTY EASY, EASY PROJECT. WELL, TURNED OUT GREAT. 
          YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT IT TAKES. EVERYBODY PROBABLY WORKING. YEAH, WELL, BE SURE TO LET HIM KNOW HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT Y'ALL WERE ABLE TO PULL THIS OFF AND GET IT TOGETHER. AND COUNCIL, IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SEE IT. IT'S REALLY REMARKABLE ABOUT THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED OUT THERE. SO AT THIS TIME, I'LL PRESENT THESE TWO COINS. 
          RIGHT. NEXT, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT AND THANK ALL THOSE WHO WERE ABLE TO ATTEND THE TERRELL FIRE STATION. NUMBER THREE AND COUPLING CEREMONY AND RIBBON CUTTING THAT WE HAD EARLIER TODAY. AS SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, WE OPENED FIRE STATION NUMBER THREE OFFICIALLY THIS EVENING. THEY HAD THE FIRST CALL WHILE WE WERE TRYING TO GET IT CUT, THE RIBBON CUT. SO PUT IT TO GOOD USE ALREADY. BUT ALL THOSE THAT WERE INVOLVED THAT MADE THIS HAPPEN, A LOT OF THEM ARE HERE ON THE DAIS WITH ME WHO WERE SUPPORTIVE FINANCIALLY OF GETTING THIS DONE AND ACCOMPLISHED, AND THEN THE STAFF THAT COMMITTED MANY HOURS AND WORKED TIRELESSLY TO SEE THAT WE GOT A BUILDING THAT IS STATE OF THE ART. SO THANK EVERYONE FOR YOUR EFFORTS. WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT. COUNCIL. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMUNITY RECOGNITIONS OR EVENTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORTH AT THIS TIME? I JUST WANT TO SAY, REGARDING THE STATION THREE DEDICATION TODAY THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE REALIZE HOW DIFFICULT THE JOB IS AS A FIREFIGHTER. AND YOU KNOW, HOW TAXING IT CAN BE. AND, AND OUR, OUR FIREMEN HAVING A FIRST CLASS FACILITY TO COME BACK TO, TO RECHARGE, TO REST AND TO RESPOND FROM IS JUST HUGE. AND IT REALLY SHOWS THE DEEPEST LEVEL OF CARE FOR THEM AND APPRECIATION. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYONE INVOLVED FOR SUPPORTING IT, FOR STAFF, FOR SEEING IT THROUGH. YOU KNOW, WE HAD A LOT OF KIND OF WRANGLING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT SPECIFICS, BUT IN THE END, WE GOT IT DONE. AND IT'S AN AMAZING FACILITY THAT'S GOING TO BE A PRIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY FOR MANY YEARS TO COME. SO THANK YOU ALL AND CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT. YEAH. SURE IS. YES, MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I WANT TO THANK THE CITY, THE MAYOR, THE COUNCIL, THE CITY OF TERRELL FOR EVERYTHING YOU DID DURING THE LOSS OF MY HUSBAND. HE PASSED ON LAST MONDAY, THE 18TH. IT WAS JUST AMAZING. THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND PEOPLE THAT REACHED OUT TO ME SENT FLOWERS, CALLS. THEY'RE STILL CHECKING ON ME TODAY. I WANT TO TELL YOU GUYS, YOU MAY SEE SOME RESIDUE OF A LITTLE LADY FROM TERRELL, TEXAS THAT WAS IN LOVE WITH THIS JOLLY BIG GUY NAMED AFFECTIONATELY NUKE. YOU MAY SEE SOME RESIDUE OF MOURNING AND MISSING HIM. WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE THAT 30 YEAR MARK. WE HAD SOME BIG PLANS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T MAKE THAT JULY 20TH MARK. THERE ARE SOME CONVERSATIONS WE DIDN'T HAVE. THERE WERE SOME TRIPS WE DIDN'T MAKE, BUT THIS COMMUNITY IS AMAZING. YOU GUYS ARE MY SUPERPOWER. YOU GUYS MADE IT SO MUCH EASIER TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. AND I WANT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO KNOW THAT. THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR COMING AND SPEAKING ON MY BEHALF. WHEN I COULDN'T SAY THANK YOU, WHEN I WAS SITTING THERE ON THAT FRONT ROW AND JUST ALL OF YOU GUYS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE MY CHILDREN SEND THE SAME THANKS TO YOU GUYS. AND THEY HAVE REALLY WRAPPED THEIR ARMS AROUND MOM. IT MAKES ME PROUD. 
          I HAVE GOOD CHILDREN AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE. AND IF YOU SEE THEM DOING SOMETHING THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING OR SOMEWHERE THEY SHOULDN'T BE, JUST TELL THEM 
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MOM TOLD ME TO TELL YOU. STRAIGHTEN UP. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH AND I LOVE YOU. THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE OUR REMARKS FROM VISITORS. 
          [3. HEAR REMARKS FROM VISITORS.]
I DO HAVE SOME FORMS. LET ME SEE. IS THERE MATT, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD AGAIN, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. AND GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS MATT AND I WILL NOT BE PROVIDING YOU WITH MY STREET ADDRESS. WE ALL KNOW I'M A LOCAL HERE IN TERRELL AND I'VE SPOKE AT THIS PODIUM MANY TIMES. SIR, I REQUESTED A STREET ADDRESS IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. YOU HAVE MY STREET ADDRESS, I DO NOT. IT IS MY RIGHTS AS A CITIZEN TO NOT PROVIDE MY INFORMATION OUT THERE AS PART OF THE PROCESS. AS PART OF THE PROCESS, WE DO REQUIRE. YOU'RE VIOLATING MY RIGHTS. I'M NOT VIOLATING ANYTHING. I'M REQUESTING SOMETHING FROM YOU. DO YOU NOT WISH TO DO SO BECAUSE I CHAIR THE. I'M I'M. 
          I'M THE ONE THAT RUNS THE MEETING. YES, SIR. YOU CAN RUN THE MEETING ALL YOU WANT, BUT IT IS MY RIGHT AS A CITIZEN TO NOT PROVIDE YOU WITH MY STREET ADDRESS FOR OUT OF SAFETY OF MYSELF. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO. THERE'S SOME CONCERN FOR YOUR SAFETY. IF THERE'S SOME CONCERN FOR YOUR SAFETY, I WILL GLADLY DO THAT. BUT I DON'T HAVE PUBLICLY. GO AHEAD. YOUR NAME. STATE YOUR NAME. MY NAME IS MATT FARR, AND WE ALL KNOW I'M A LOCAL RESIDENT HERE, AND I'VE SPOKEN AT THIS PODIUM MANY A TIMES. I HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE TEXAS RAILROAD COMMISSION ALONG WITH THE TECQ OVER THE TESTING DONE ON THE OLD NIKE MISSILE SILO BASE AND THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS TERRA NOVA. AND NO REPORT, NO REPORTS HAVE BEEN FILED ON THE PROPERTIES. 
          AND WE HAVE. WE'RE ALSO TOLD BY EVERY ONE OF Y'ALL SITTING UP IN THAT CHAIR AND THOSE CHAIRS, THAT THE PROPERTY WOULD NOT OR THE PROJECT WOULD NOT GO THROUGH IF THE ROADS GOING ACROSS GRIFFITH AND 205 WERE NOT IN THE BUNDLE AND THERE WAS NO DEAL MADE. SO WHY DIDN'T YOU ALL DO YOUR RESEARCH ON THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION AND SEE THAT THERE WAS NOT A CONTRACT? Y'ALL PUSHED THIS THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING AND VOTED ON THIS MANNER, YET NO DEAL WAS MADE AS FAR AS ANY OF US HAVE HEARD. STILL NOT ONE. AND I'M ASKING PUBLICLY IF THE CITY IS PUSHING FOR EMINENT DOMAIN ON THE PROPERTY. ALSO, TRAFFIC STUDIES HAVE BEEN HYPOTHETICAL AND NONE HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN DONE ON GRIFFITH. HAVE ANY OF YOU SEEN HOW MANY HOUSES ARE FOR SALE IN GRIFFITH ALONE? ON THE FACE OF THE STREET, THERE'S ANYWHERE BETWEEN 11 AND 14 HOUSES RIGHT NOW. EVERYONE'S WANTING TO LEAVE. ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY MARIANA VASQUEZ WAS GIVEN HER TENURE WHEN SHE BROKE THE RULES AND MOVED OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF TERRELL, AND I PROVIDED YOU ALL WITH A COPY OF HER LEASE AGREEMENT THAT PROVED THAT SHE WAS NOT A RESIDENT. SHE THEN MOVED ABOVE LULU BISTRO TO BE INSIDE OF HER DISTRICT AND I EXPECT BETTER FOR MY TAXPAYERS DOLLAR I AM A. I AM FORMALLY LETTING YOU ALL KNOW THAT I'M COMING FOR YOUR EMAILS, TEXT MESSAGES, AND PHONE CALLS. IT'S TIME FOR THE CITY OR THE CITIZENS OF TERRELL TO AUDIT THE CITY AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. THIS IS SMALL TOWN CORRUPTION AT ITS FINEST, AND I PROMISE YOU I WILL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT. PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST ARE A VERY POWERFUL THING. SINCERELY, A OFF CITIZEN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. NEXT, JOSH, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. MY NAME IS JOSH PATTON. 
          ADDRESS IS 1444 COUNTY ROAD 303. AND TERRELL, WE WERE JUST TALKING. I KNOW Y'ALL ANNEXED IN RIGHT THERE THIS PAST YEAR, BUT ONCE THEY DID THE THE CONCRETE FACTORY THAT'S OUT THERE ON 25, 78, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF TRAFFIC OF 18 WHEELERS. Y'ALL HAVE IT POSTED. NO 18 WHEELERS, NO THROUGH TRAFFIC. AND THEY'RE VERY HEAVY THROUGH THERE. AND IT'S NOW CAUSED THE ROADS TO HAVE MONSTROUS, MONSTROUS POTHOLES IN THEM. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M SPEAKING. IT'S NOTHING BAD OR NOTHING. IT'S JUST 18 WHEELERS ARE COMING UP THERE. SO IF IT IS THE CITY OR IF IT'S COUNTY, NOT SURE WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          I KNOW THE HOUSING WENT CITY. IF THE ROADS NOT, THEN WE'LL NEED TO GET A HOLD OF THE COUNTY. BUT MAYBE WATCH IT. 18 WHEELERS ARE COMING DOWN THE ROADS. THEY SHOULDN'T BE. AND IT IS POSTED, LIKE I SAID BEFORE. AND THEN IF IT IS THE CITY OR THE COUNTY, LOOK AT GETTING IT REPAIRED. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, RAJESH. AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. THIS IS RAJESH. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE CHAIR FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY. AND I OWN 18 ACRES AND 10609 COUNTY ROAD 305. WE PLAN TO DO DEVELOPMENT IN THAT LAND. AND I ALSO HAD OTHER INVESTORS WITH ME WHO WANT TO BUY, ACQUIRE MORE LAND ON THAT ROAD TO DO MORE DEVELOPMENT. BUT THE PROBLEM, WHAT WE SEE IS THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD, AND THEN PUBLIC UTILITIES ARE NOT AVAILABLE. THEY'RE LIKE PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER TO SUPPORT OUR PROJECTS. SO I WOULD REQUEST YOU TO CONSIDER LOOKING INTO 
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ESTABLISHING THE PUBLIC UTILITIES AND REPAIRING THE ROADS. THAT HELPS US TO GET MORE INVESTORS TO DO PROJECTS ON THERE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          NEXT, AMBER. AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YEAH. MY NAME IS AMBER SHINN. I'M AT ONE. THERE YOU GO. AMBER AT 18318 CHIPPEWA COURT, WHICH IS ALSO I'M PIGGYBACKING OFF OF JOSH BECAUSE WE LIVE JUST RIGHT THERE. AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT IS THE ROADS. THEY'RE TERRIBLE. I DRIVE A SMALL CAR AND THOSE POTHOLES LITERALLY CAN SWALLOW MY CAR. LIKE I CAN'T EVEN GET DOWN COUNTY ROAD 304 AT ALL. AND I DO HAVE VIDEOS OF THE ROCK TRUCKS THAT ARE COMING FROM THE NEW ROCK CRUSHING PLANT, I GUESS. I GUESS THEY'RE GOING UP HERE WHERE THEY'RE WELL UP THERE WHERE THEY'RE WORKING ON THE ACTUAL HIGHWAYS. SO THEY'RE, THEY RUN THOSE TRUCKS ALL NIGHT LONG. THERE'S TWO OF THEM AND THEY RUN THEM ALL NIGHT LONG. THEY START ABOUT 9:00 AND THEY RUN EVERY NIGHT, ALL NIGHT LONG BETWEEN WHEREVER THAT FOX, RED FOX LANE OR ROAD OR WHEREVER THAT IS, UP TO THE HIGHWAY, BACK AND FORTH. WE SIT OUTSIDE QUITE A BIT. WE HEAR THEM ALL THE TIME. BUT THAT I BELIEVE THAT'S THE MAIN REASON WHY THE ROADS ARE TORN UP LIKE THEY ARE. THERE'S A POTHOLE RIGHT OUTSIDE DAKOTA THAT'S RIGHT OUTSIDE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND 303 THERE'S A POTHOLE ABOUT THIS BIG AND THIS DEEP. THE CARS ARE BOTTOMING OUT IN THAT POTHOLE. SO LIKE YOU SAID, WE DON'T KNOW IF THESE ROADS ARE STILL COUNTY, BUT SINCE WE'RE CITY, WE JUST WANT TO SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET US SOME HELP AND MAYBE NOT JUST PATCH THE ROADS. BUT IF YOU GET PAST SAGE, SAGE HILL ROAD, COUNTY ROAD 305 AND GO DOWN 304, THAT ROAD SMOOTH SAILING. THERE'S NO POTHOLES. 
          IT'S NOT BEAT UP. IT IS A FULL, COMPLETE ROAD. BUT IN OUR AREA, THEY'RE JUST THEY'RE TORN UP TERRIBLY, TERRIBLY. OKAY. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY ABOUT IT. JUST JUST GO. GO DRIVE AROUND OVER THERE. CHECK IT OUT. IT'S NOT FUN. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. THANK YOU. RITA. AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL. MY NAME IS RITA BANE. I LIVE AT 137 BIRDSONG LANE. I HAVE A TWO FOLD ISSUE ON A DISCUSS TONIGHT. THE FIRST ONE I JUST WANT TO GIVE THANKS ACTUALLY TO THE STAFF, THE ANIMAL CONTROL. WE. LAST TIME I WAS HERE, I TALKED ABOUT THE FERAL CAT PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY, SPECIFICALLY IN THE GLEN HAVEN NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WERE ABLE TO TRAP FOUR IN LESS THAN A WEEK AND A HALF. BUT THE ONGOING PROBLEM IS THERE ARE SO MANY ANIMALS THAT THEY CAN NO LONGER TAKE FUTURE ANIMALS AT THIS TIME. SO WE'VE SHUT IT DOWN FOR A FEW WEEKS. 
          THERE ARE SEVERAL GOOD IDEAS THAT THEY HAVE ONGOING POTENTIAL GRANT FUNDS THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE FROM THE GOVERNMENT TO ASSIST OUR CITY WITH OUR ONGOING PROBLEM. ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES IS THESE CATS. THEY CONTINUE TO PROCREATE AND IT'S KITTEN SEASON. WE'VE ALREADY HAD TWO LITTERS THAT HAVE DROPPED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ALONE. THE OTHER FACTOR IS GARDENS. THE CATS ARE DEMOLISHING NEIGHBORS GARDENS. THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP ABOUT THE CATS, BUT ONE OF THE ANIMAL CONTROL INDIVIDUALS THAT CAME FROM MESQUITE, THERE'S A TNR PROGRAM THAT THEY HAVE WHEREBY THE CITY IS INVOLVED. THEY PAY FOR FIXING THE CATS AT LOW COST, SPAY NEUTER, AND THEN THE CATS COULD BE REHOMED IN THE SAME AREA ONCE THEY'VE HAD RABIES VACCINE AS WELL. BECAUSE THESE ANIMALS DO CARRY DISEASES, PRIMARILY INTESTINAL PARASITES. I DON'T WANT THEM IN MY OWN BACKYARD BECAUSE THEY TRANSFORM TO MY PET, BUT THEY COULD BE RETURNED TO SIMILAR AREAS. THEY WOULD NOTCH THE CAT'S EARS AND THEY LIVE THEIR LIFE OUT IN SOME OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS THAT THE INDIVIDUALS AGREE TO, THAT THEY COULD STAY THERE. THEY LIVE OUT THEIR LIFESPAN, BUT THEY NO LONGER PROCREATE. SO THERE'S LOTS OF IDEAS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS. LOTS OF GOOD IDEAS OUT THERE. IF WE COULD JUST BE OPEN MINDED AND LISTEN TO WHAT STAFF HAVE TO SAY, THEY HAVE SOME GOOD IDEAS. THEY'VE BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL. IT'S GONE VERY WELL, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANKS TO THEM BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB, VERY EASY TO WORK WITH. 
          THE OTHER THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THIS EVENING IS WE WERE GIVEN ASSURANCES BY EVERYONE I KNOW. MR. SHUMPERT, I LAST SPOKE TO YOU ABOUT THE RAILROAD COMMISSION AND THE NIKE MISSILE BASE THERE HAS BEEN CITED AND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, CONTAMINATION, PROPOSED POTENTIAL CONTAMINATION. THE BARNES STUDIES HAVE BEEN OUT THERE PUBLIC ABOUT THE CONTAMINATION, AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO DROP THE BALL. I DO HAVE EACH OF YOU HAVE A PACKET WHERE I'VE MADE TWO CONTACTS TO THE TCEQ1 FROM MAY 7TH, ONE 
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FROM MAY 13TH, WHO ALSO WENT TO AUSTIN. AND THEY HAVE STATED THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO CONTACT BY THE CITY OF TERRELL AND OR MAIN STREET DEVELOPMENT REGARDING TESTING AT OR NEAR NIKE MISSILE. I KNOW THAT THEY DON'T OWN THE LAND OF NIKE MISSILE, BUT THE TESTING AROUND IT. I KNOW THAT MR. PARRISH, WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY, HAS OFFERED HIS PROPERTY TO MYSELF. 
          I'VE TALKED TO HIM MORE THAN ONCE IN THE CITY. IF THERE'S TESTING TO BE DONE ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF. SO IF WE COULD HAVE FULL AND TRANSPARENT PATH FORWARD. I KNOW THAT WE WERE TO MEET WITH CHRIS KNAPP AND RAELYNN THURSDAY REGARDING PLANS, AND SHE WAS WILLING TO GO OVER THAT. THEY WERE WILLING TO GO OVER THAT. BUT IF RAILROAD COMMISSION, TCE, Q OR EPA STATS AREN'T THERE, MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T MEET. DO YOU GUYS HAVE THAT? THAT WAS DONE. OKAY. 
          IS IT BEFORE WE DO A BACK AND FORTH. THIS IS JUST TO ADDRESS THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL, BUT I WILL HAVE STAFF REACH OUT TO YOU. ABSOLUTELY. FANTASTIC. OKAY. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. SHAWNA. HELLO, MAYOR, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS SHAWNA BUSH. I LIVE AT 18137 OSAGE LANE IN OAK POINT ESTATES. I'M HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE THE CONDITION OF COUNTY ROADS 303, 304 AND 305 AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE BECOME UNACCEPTABLE. AND IN SOME PLACES, UNSAFE. RESIDENTS ARE DEALING WITH UNAVOIDABLE POTHOLES OF ALL SIZES, AND THE ROADS CONTINUE TO DETERIORATE WITH EVERY RAINSTORM. WHILE WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR SIDEWALKS, WE WOULD LIKE ROADS SAFE ENOUGH TO WALK OR RIDE A BIKE ON WITHOUT THE FEAR OF TRIPPING OR BEING HIT BY A DRIVER TRYING TO DODGE HOLES THAT CAN POTENTIALLY DAMAGE THEIR VEHICLE. THE MAJORITY OF OAK POINT ESTATES RESIDENTS ARE 50 YEARS AND OLDER AND DESERVE SAFER ROADS, ESPECIALLY IN THE EVENT OF A MEDICAL EMERGENCY. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ONE REASON FOR THE CITY ANNEXING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS SO THAT YOU CAN ASSIST IN PROTECTING OUR PROPERTY VALUES. I BELIEVE THAT THE ROADS AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE A PART OF THAT. 
          SOME OF US STARTED THE BUILDING PROCESS OF OUR HOMES BEFORE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ANNEXED. I PERSONALLY FOUND OUT WHEN SEARCHING THE KAUFMAN CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT WEBSITE FOR OUR LOT INFORMATION AND SAW THE CITY TAXES WERE ADDED FROM WHEN I HAD PREVIOUSLY SEARCHED THE PAGE, IT DRASTICALLY CHANGED THE AMOUNT OF OUR PROJECTED MONTHLY PAYMENT. I HEARD OF ANOTHER FAMILY THAT COULD NOT QUALIFY TO BUY ONE OF THE HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          ONCE THE CITY TAXES WERE CONFIGURED AND ADDED TO THEIR MONTHLY PAYMENT. WE UNDERSTAND INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS TAKE TIME AND FUNDING, BUT NOW THAT WE ARE PART OF THE CITY AND PAYING CITY TAXES, WE ARE ASKING FOR SOME BASIC LEVEL OF ATTENTION AND SERVICE THAT OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS RECEIVE. DELAYING REPAIRS SENDS THE MESSAGE THAT ANNEXED RESIDENTS ARE AN AFTERTHOUGHT. WE ALREADY FEEL SHORTCHANGED HAVING TO PAY FOR OUR OWN TRASH AND SEPTIC SERVICES. UNLIKE OTHER CITY RESIDENTS IN THE ANIMAL SHELTERS, BOTH TERRELL AND KAUFMAN COUNTY HAVE BEEN NO HELP WHEN IT COMES TO STRAY DOGS GETTING DUMPED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M PERSONALLY STILL TRYING TO FIND A HOME FOR ONE THAT WAS DUMPED SIX WEEKS AGO AT OUR HOUSE. WE WANT TO BE PROUD MEMBERS OF THIS CITY, AND INVESTING IN SAFE, FUNCTIONAL ROADS IS AN IMPORTANT STEP TOWARD MAKING THAT HAPPEN. PLEASE CONSIDER PRIORITIZING AN ASSESSMENT OF COUNTY ROADS 303, 304 AND 305 AND INCLUDE THEM IN UPCOMING IMPROVEMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. I THINK THAT'S ALL THE. BUT WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL? MAKE SURE I HAVE EVERYBODY GET AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD. I THOUGHT I SAW YOUR PAPERWORK TO REIMER. I NEED A NAME AND ADDRESS. PLEASE COME FORWARD. I DON'T I, I THOUGHT I SAW ONE TOO, BUT I DON'T. I'M ROBERT MESSER, I LIVE AT 313 LAUREL TRAIL. GIVE AWAY REALLY NICE HALLOWEEN CANDY. IF YOU GUYS ALL WANT TO COME BACK, WE'LL BE DOING THAT. I'M. I'M NOT MAD ABOUT ANYTHING, BUT I DID WANT TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE OAK GROVE GOLF COURSE PROPERTY. AND WHEN I FILLED OUT MY FORM AND YOU GOT TO FORM SOMEPLACE, IT SAYS I'M NEUTRAL BECAUSE I REALLY AM NEUTRAL ON THIS. I'VE GOT SOME GOOD FRIENDS THAT THINK THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA, AND I TRUST THESE PEOPLE A LOT, AND I TRUST THEIR JUDGMENT. I TRUST THEM WHEN THEY SAY THAT. ALSO HAVE GOOD FRIENDS THAT THINK THIS IS THE NEATEST THING SINCE WE PAVED MORE AVENUE. I DON'T THINK IT'S QUITE THAT GOOD, BUT I CAN SEE THE MERIT IN AN IDEA LIKE THAT. I DO HAVE TWO THINGS THAT I THINK ADD SOME PERSPECTIVE TO THIS. ONE IS I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS PROPERTY OVER 40 YEARS IN DIFFERENT WAYS BACK. I CAN SHOW YOU MY STOCK CERTIFICATE FOR OAK GROVE COUNTRY CLUB. IF ANY OF YOU GUYS WANT TO BUY A PART OF THAT, I'VE GOT A SHARE TO SELL YOU THAT, AND I'VE BEEN PRETTY WELL INVOLVED WITH IT FOR A LONG TIME. AND I'LL TELL YOU, THIS PROPERTY WILL NEVER BE A GOLF COURSE. AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. SO IT'S NOT EVER GOING TO BE A GOLF COURSE. I GUESS YOU CAN. WE CAN MAKE IT INTO A PARK AND OUR TOWN CAN 
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NEVER HAVE TOO MANY PARKS, I GUESS. BUT IF Y'ALL WANT TO SPEND THAT MONEY AND KEEP IT UP AND MAKE IT A PARKING, BE A NICE PARK. I DO BELIEVE THAT THE OWNER HAS THE RIGHT TO ACHIEVE AND RECOGNIZE THE VALUE OF THEIR INVESTMENT. I THINK FOR US TO ASK THEM TO TAKE LESS BECAUSE WE DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH IT, I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR. SO IF WE WANT TO MAKE IT A PARK, I THINK WE NEED TO PONY UP AND BUY IT FOR A PARK. I TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT. IF THIS IS A GOOD DEAL FOR THIS AREA. SO I THINK YOU'LL MAKE A GOOD DECISION THERE. IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO DO THIS, I HOPE YOU FIND A BETTER USE FOR IT, AND I HOPE YOU FIND SOMEBODY THAT'LL DO SOMETHING BETTER THAN WHAT THIS BUYER IS PROPOSING TO DO. INFRASTRUCTURE. I'VE BEEN AROUND ROCKWALL IN A LONG TIME. I MEAN, I WAS AT THE FOOTBALL GAME WHEN THE ROCKWALL TURNED ON THE SPRINKLERS WHEN THE TERRELL BAND. YOU REMEMBER THAT? YEAH, I WAS THERE FOR THAT. 
          WHEN A CITY GROWS LIKE OURS IS GOING TO GROW, WE'RE GOING TO BE BEHIND ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND ROADS FROM NOW ON. LET'S GET USED TO IT AND JUST KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE A SUBSTANTIAL PART OF OUR RESOURCES TO MAINTAIN THE STREETS AND FOR US TO GET AROUND. SO I'M NEUTRAL. I SIT ON THAT SIDE OF THE DESK FOR A WHILE, MANY YEARS AGO. I TRUST EACH OF YOU. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE YOUR GUYS WILLINGNESS TO DO WHAT YOU DO, BECAUSE IT IS A THANKLESS JOB, AND I'M GLAD YOU GUYS ARE DOING IT. TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT. DON'T KNOW IF I ADDED ANYTHING OR NOT, BUT I HOPE I'LL SEE YOU GUYS ALL ON HALLOWEEN. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. GET SOME PAPERWORK. DID I SEND SOME PAPERWORK I NEED? I THINK I ACCIDENTALLY SENT. I CAN ALWAYS COUNT ON. I HAD SOME NOTES SOMEWHERE. THERE WE GO. SO ANYONE ELSE WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL. OKAY, LET'S START WITH HILLARY. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD AGAIN. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY. THIS IS THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL GIVING EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AND ADDRESS THE COUNCIL. THAT RIGHT. GO AHEAD, I APPRECIATE IT. HILLARY HASSELL 818 FIRST STREET. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT. I KNOW I CAN'T PROPOSE NEW ORDINANCES, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COUNCIL BRING FORTH A COUPLE OF NEW ORDINANCES THAT UPHOLD THE VALUE OF TERRELL, BECAUSE I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE FROM THE OUTSIDE ARE NOT GOING TO VALUE US UNLESS WE VALUE OURSELVES. AND SO TO THAT POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY RAISE THEIR STANDARDS TO A MINIMUM OF A 1500 SQUARE FOOT HOME FOR ANY NEW BUILD IN THE CITY OF TERRELL. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE, FOR ANY PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, A MINIMUM OF A QUARTER ACRE LOT. AGAIN, PEOPLE ARE COMING IN TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF TERRELL, AND IT IS YOUR GUYS'S JOB TO STAND UP AND SAY NO TO THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF TERRELL. AND IF WE DON'T ESTABLISH SOME STANDARDS FOR OURSELVES, YOU KNOW, AND AND TO ALSO TO THAT POINT, TO STICK TO THOSE STANDARDS, BECAUSE THERE'S NO SENSE IN HAVING A LONG TERM USAGE MAP, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, NEIGHBORHOOD STANDARDS. NONE OF THAT MATTERS IF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T VOTE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT. SO I JUST WANT TO EMPOWER YOU GUYS TO SAY NO TO THE THINGS THAT ARE BAD TO TERRELL. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, SIR, WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD. GOOD EVENING. I'M WILTSHIRE. I LIVE AT 18160 OSAGE LANE. PART OF THE ANNEXATION IN BETWEEN THE COUNTY ROAD. 303304 AND 305 UNDERSTAND I PURCHASED BEFORE WE BECAME ANNEXED. WASN'T TOLD THAT WE WERE GETTING ANNEXED. 
          SO IT WAS A SHOCK. LAST YEAR WHEN THIS HAPPENED, NO NOTIFICATION CAME TO THE RESIDENTS LETTING US KNOW THIS. WE FOUND OUT FROM NEIGHBORS THAT CLOSED AFTER. AND SO IT'S IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A SHOCK TO US, BUT THE ROADS, THEY HAVE BEEN REPAIRED BY THE COUNTY BEFORE, JUST WITH ASPHALT BEING DUMPED IN THE HOLE. IT DOESN'T LAST. THE TYPE OF TRUCKS THAT ARE TRAVELING ON THOSE ROADS AND THAT THE SPEED AND WITH THE WEATHER PATCHING WORK WON'T LAST MORE THAN SIX MONTHS AND THE HOLES ARE RIGHT BACK. SO I ASKED THAT IF YOU LOOK INTO IT, CONSIDER ENGINEERING WITH IT AND BUILD ROADS THAT ARE GOING TO LAST. BE SAFE. THE ROAD 304 IS VERY NARROW. IT'S A CHOKE POINT WHEN YOU'RE GOING DOWN AND YOU HAVE A TRUCK COMING THE 
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OTHER DIRECTION, THERE'S NOT MUCH ROOM YOU GOT TO DITCH ON ONE SIDE, POTHOLE IN THE MIDDLE AND A TRUCK COMING THE OTHER DIRECTION. SO IT'S IT'S A SAFETY FOR THE COMMUNITY IS WHAT I'D ASK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. YES, PLEASE COME FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. MY NAME IS JENNA DUNN AND I LIVE AT 10415 COUNTY ROAD 305. AND I'M HERE TO ADDRESS THE ROADS ON COUNTY ROAD. 303304 AND 305. 
          I BROUGHT SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS WITH ME IF MY NEIGHBORS WILL JUST STAND. AND SO YOU CAN SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IMPACTED THAT CAME TONIGHT TO TO SEE THESE ROADS. THEY LIVE HERE. 
          BUT I'VE BEEN A RESIDENTS SINCE 2004 AND I'VE LIVED ON COUNTY ROAD 305 FOR 16 YEARS. I WAS ANNEXED BACK IN 2015. WE WERE TOLD THAT WE WOULD BE GETTING SEWER AND WATER AND THAT STILL HAS NOT HAPPENED. THE ROADS ARE A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM. WE HAVE BIG 18 WHEELERS THAT COME DOWN OUR ROAD. WHEN HIGHWAY 20 IS SHUT DOWN, AND IT HAS CAUSED A HUGE PROBLEM WITH JUST ROAD CONSTRUCTION AND ALL THE POTHOLES. SO I HOPE THAT YOU LISTEN TO US TONIGHT AND TAKE IN CONSIDERATION ON DRIVING THESE ROADS YOURSELF. ALSO, I DRIVE A TESLA AND I KNOW THIS MIGHT SOUND FUNNY, BUT MY CAR I HAVE TESLA INSURANCE AND IT ACTUALLY IS SAYING THAT I'M OFF ROADING IN MY CAR, SO IT IS DINGING MY INSURANCE. IT IS SO BAD. SO I ENCOURAGE YOU, DONNA, PLEASE COME OUT AND SEE OUR ROADS AND TRY TO HELP US AND GET SOME RELIEF. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR BRAND NEW ROADS, BUT WE NEED SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, NOT TEMPORARY, BUT SOMETHING BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. NEXT ITEM ON THE 
          [4. CONSENT AGENDA]
AGENDA IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. IT'S JUST DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON MAY THE 5TH OF 2026. COUNCIL. WE MAY TAKE ALL OF THEM AT ONCE. OR IF YOU CHOOSE, WE CAN PULL ONE OFF. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA. I HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT TWO, A SECOND FROM GEORGE VARGAS, DISTRICT THREE REPRESENTATIVE, TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I, I, I ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. THOSE PRESENT. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 4.2 DISCUSS AND CONSIDER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION ORDINANCE NUMBER 3177 ON SECOND. NO THAT'S THE CONSENT. YEAH YOU'RE RIGHT. YEAH YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          [5. BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS]
IT'S A BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS 5.1 DISCUSS AND CONSIDER LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTMENTS. DON MAYOR AND COUNCIL IN YOUR PACKET IS THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD ROSTER. 
          LET ME GO BACK. I'M SO SORRY. BEVERLY VAUGHN AND SUSIE SMITH ARE INELIGIBLE TO BE REAPPOINTED. THEY HAVE SERVED THREE TERMS. SO THIS LEAVES TWO POSITIONS OPEN ON THAT BOARD. 
          AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF APPLICATIONS IN THE PACKET. AND THIS FALLS UNDER THE OVERSIGHT OF STEPHANIE HELMS. THOMAS. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILWOMAN. YES, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT OF TO KAREN JONES FOR KAREN JONES TO BE ON OUR LIBRARY BOARD. OKAY, A MOTION. 
          YEAH, IT IS A MOTION. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION. IT'S GOING TO BE 5.1. WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND HAVE A MOTION FROM STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS, OUR DISTRICT FOUR REPRESENTATIVE, A SECOND FROM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM OF DISTRICT TWO, TO APPOINT KAREN JONES TO OUR LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES AND ALL THOSE PRESENT. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 5.2 WHICH IS DISCUSSING. CONSIDER PART BOARD APPOINTMENT. DON. YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, CAN WE PLEASE POSTPONE THIS TO THE NEXT REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING? COUNCIL IS THERE A MOTION TO POSTPONE MOTION TO POSTPONE THE PARK BOARD APPOINTMENTS? WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM PHIL ROBERTSON, OUR MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT FIVE, A SECOND FROM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM FROM DISTRICT TWO, TO POSTPONE ITEM 5.2 PARK BOARD APPOINTMENT. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES A VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 5.3. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS. 
          REAPPOINTMENTS TO THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION. DON. YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, CAN WE 
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POSTPONE THIS TO THE NEXT REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING, PLEASE? YES. IS THERE A MOTION TO POSTPONE MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE 5.3 TO NEXT MEETING. WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION FROM JORGE VARGAS, DISTRICT THREE, SECOND FROM STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS, DISTRICT FOUR, TO POSTPONE ITEM 5.3 APPOINTMENTS REAPPOINTMENTS TO THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I, I, I ANY ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES AN EDIBLE PRESENT. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 5.4. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER. APPOINTMENT TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS. THIS IS DON. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION ROSTER IS IN YOUR PACKET. MAY. RONNY VELASQUEZ WAS WAS ON THE BOARD AND THAT IS A COUNCIL POSITION. SO THAT NEEDS REPLACEMENT. AND THIS FALLS UNDER THE OVERSIGHT OF MAYOR RICK CARMONA. COUNCIL. I'D LIKE TO APPOINT OUR MAYOR PRO TEM PHIL ROBERTSON TO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. SO MOVE THAT. WE APPOINT PHIL ROBERTSON TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE MAYOR, A SECOND FROM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT TWO, TO APPOINT PHIL ROBERTSON TO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS. 
          IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE APPOINTMENT, MAYOR, BEFORE WE. YEAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. I KNOW YOU'LL DO A GOOD JOB THERE. THANK YOU. PHIL. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I, I ANY OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES AN END OF THOSE PRESENT. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 5.5, WHICH IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER. APPOINTMENT OF MAYOR PRO TEM AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. THIS IS AN ITEM THAT WE AS A COUNCIL ROTATE WITH, AND I BELIEVE THAT IN. THE ROTATION IS. DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, MOVING FROM MAYOR PRO TEM DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TO MAYOR PRO TEM, AND THEN STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS, MOVING BACK TO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. AM I CORRECT ON THAT? YES, DON. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO I MOVE THAT WE DO THAT. IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE MAYOR, A SECOND FROM JORGE VARGAS TO CONTINUE WITH THE ROTATION AND HAVE OUR DONNA, RENEE ANDERSON BECOME OUR MAYOR PRO TEM AND OUR DISTRICT FOUR REPRESENTATIVE, STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS, BECOME OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? 
          [6. DISCUSSION ITEMS]
MOTION CARRIES. ALL THOSE PRESENT. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 6.1. DISCUSS 2026 SUMMER STREETS PROGRAM. BERNIE OR CHRIS. THIS IS GOING TO BE A JOINT. OKAY, WE'RE EXCITED TO HEAR IT. CHRIS. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. CHRIS IS PASSING OUT TO OUR SPREADSHEET THAT WE HAD DIVVIED UP FOR DISTRICT. THANK YOU. THIS IS, AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE, WE DID NOT HAVE A SUMMER STREETS PROGRAM LAST YEAR, BUT IN 2024 WE DID. THIS IS MORE OF A DISCUSSION OF LOOKING AT THE FUNDS THAT WERE ALREADY AVAILABLE THROUGH OUR CAPITAL BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO FUND STREETS. AND AS YOU'RE AWARE, THE MONEY THAT WE HAD REALLY DOESN'T GO A LONG WAY. IF YOU'VE EVER GONE TO THE GAS PUMP, YOU SEE WHERE GAS PRICES ARE JUST GOING UP AND UP AND UP. 
          SO THEREFORE, WE'RE NOT GETTING MUCH OF A RETURN ON INVESTMENT FROM A MONETARY PERSPECTIVE. SO CHRIS AND I ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE YOU OUR THOUGHT PROCESS OR HOW WE CAME UP WITH THESE ITEMS. AND WE WENT MORE WITHOUT A ANALYSIS OF FOR EACH DISTRICT THAT YOU BASICALLY HAD ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILLION WORTH OF STREETS THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED WITHIN YOUR AREA. THE MORE OF A THREE INCH DRILL DOWN AND OVERLAY PROJECT. ALL OF THESE ARE ASPHALT. THEY'RE NOT CONCRETE. SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MISTER SNAP AND HE'LL GO. AND WE'LL HAVE MORE OR LESS. 
          PACKAGING AND REFINING. AND THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, TELLING YOU THAT WE ARE PLANNING FOR THIS SUMMER PROGRAM, BUT INITIALLY WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK AND DO A WORKSHOP TO GO MORE IN DEPTH. AS WE KNOW, AS WE HEARD HERE TONIGHT, THAT THE ISSUE 
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THAT WE HAVE ON COUNTY ROAD 303304305 AND ALL THE OTHER STREETS WITHIN THE CITY ARE GOING TO BE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY TO INVEST IN THAT. WE KNOW THAT ALL OF OUR STREETS COME OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND. SAME BUCKET OF MONEY AND PAY FIREFIGHTERS, POLICE OFFICERS AND EVERYONE ELSE. SO IT'S A PROJECT THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PRESENT YOU WITH FACTS AND GET SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS JUST TELL YOU TECHNICALLY HOW THIS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS FROM A LIST. I KNEW IF YOU HAD IT IN FRONT OF YOU, EACH ONE OF YOU COULD LOOK AT YOUR AREA VERSUS LOOKING AT THE SCREEN. IT'S ON THE SCREEN TOO. BUT BASICALLY IN THERE FOR MANY, SEVERAL YEARS, THE PLANT SERVICES DEPARTMENT WOULD DO A ROAD ASSESSMENT. AND THIS ROAD ASSESSMENT THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US IS THE LAST ONE THAT WAS PERFORMED IN 2024. SO IN THE ROAD ASSESSMENT, THEY GO BY A CALCULATED NUMBER. BASICALLY IT'S CALLED PCI PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX. BASICALLY IT'S KIND OF A GRADING SYSTEM. SO HIGHER THE NUMBER BETTER THE ROAD. SO BASICALLY WE WENT OFF WITH A CHARGE FROM THE 2024 ROAD ASSESSMENT AND GRABBED EVERY ROAD THAT WAS BASICALLY 40 OR LESS. SO WE COME FROM THERE AND GOT THAT WHOLE LIST. 
          SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THIS LIST, THERE ARE SOME ROADS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT ARE WORSE, THAT ARE NOT ON THE LIST, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE NEEDING A FULL RECONSTRUCTION. WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU HERE IS BASICALLY AN ASPHALT OVERLAY. SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. SO THEY'RE NOT ALL WRAPPED UP IN A BOW. AND THE SAME THING, BECAUSE THOSE ROAD CONDITIONS ARE SO POOR THAT THE SUBBASE NEEDS TO BE RE PACKED, REFINISHED, PACKED DOWN, AND THEN EITHER PUT WITH CONCRETE OR CURBS, ETC. FOR THE RIGHT FIX. SO THOSE ROADS ARE IN SUCH A WORSE POSITION THAT AN OVERLAY WOULD BE A SHORT TERM FIX, AND BASICALLY WE'D BE WASTING YOUR MONEY ANYWHERE FROM 3 TO 10 YEARS, DEPENDING ON THE TRAFFIC AND THE COUNT FROM THERE. SO AS BERNIE INDICATED, WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU BASICALLY IS SOME OF THE ROADS THERE THAT ARE GREAT CANDIDATES FOR AN OVERLAY. AND WE JUST BROUGHT UP KIND OF PROPORTIONATE BY EACH DISTRICT. SO. UP TO NOW, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY INPUT FROM OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS YET. WE'VE GOT A FEW INPUT FROM OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          YES, SIR. AND WE'VE TAKEN THAT. SO SOME OF THE REQUESTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM ALL OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS REALLY FALL INTO MORE OF A RECONSTRUCTION COMPONENT OF IT. SO THEY'RE GOING TO FALL IF YOU WE PUT SOME ITEMS TOGETHER THAT WE'LL DISCUSS DURING OUR WORKSHOP OF THOSE RECONSTRUCTED STREETS, BECAUSE IN GENERAL, THAT'S GOING TO COST MORE MONEY. DO WE HAVE A LIST OF THOSE STREETS THAT ARE GOING TO BE LOOKED AT FOR RECONSTRUCTION? YES, SIR. 
          ARE THEY BROKEN DOWN INTO DISTRICTS? OKAY, GOOD. NOW, IS IT IS THERE ANY WAY, I'M GUESSING WE MASSAGE THE NUMBERS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE SPENDING IS CAPPED AT ABOUT A MILLION. IS THERE ANY WAY TO FIND ANOTHER 250? AND THIS IS THE THIS IS THE ASK AND I'M LEAVE IT TO STAFF. EACH ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAS 250,000 OR MORE. 
          YET THE MAYOR HASN'T HAD ANY PUT AT ALL. IS THERE ANY WAY TO GET ME. 250 AND LET ME WORK WITH THE COUNCIL ON A STREET, AND EACH ONE OF THEIR DISTRICTS. TO TRY AND HELP THEM OUT, BECAUSE ALL THEY HEAR FROM CUSTOMERS ARE STREETS AND MAINTENANCE, AND EVEN EVEN THE NEWER ONES THAT ARE THE 305, THE COUNTY ROADS THAT ARE COMING INTO THE CITY. IT'S A PRIORITY FOR ALL OF THEM. AND I WANT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SHOW AS MAYOR, THAT WE ARE LISTENING TO OUR PUBLIC. WE'RE LISTENING TO THEM WHEN THEY ADDRESS US AND HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THESE STREETS. IF THERE WAS ANY WAY, MARK, THAT WE COULD SQUEEZE ANOTHER 250 AND LET ME. I KNOW IT WON'T GO FAR, BUT MAYBE I CAN HELP THEM A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN I WOULD ALSO SAY. IF THEY HAVE A CONCERN ON A STREET IN THEIR DISTRICT, THAT MIGHT FOR THEM BE A LITTLE BIT MORE TAKE MORE PRIORITY, EITHER BECAUSE IT GETS TRAVELED MORE OR. IT'S IN A HIGH PROFILE LOCATION. IS 
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THAT ALRIGHT FOR THEM TO CONSIDER TO, TO, TO MASSAGE THE LIST A LITTLE BIT? THIS RIGHT HERE, AS FAR AS FOR THE SUMMER STREET PROGRAM IS A PRIME CANDIDATE, AS MISTER CHRIS SAID, IS WHEN WE HAVE A GOOD BASE. OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO GO DO AN ASPHALT OVERLAY, RIGHT? SO THEREFORE LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICALLY, YOU HAD A STREET THAT HAD A BASE FAILURE. 
          SO IT'S MORE OF A DIP THAT'S GOING LIKE THAT. AND YOU NEED TO GO BACK IN THERE AND GO BACK TO THE SUBGRADE, TEAR IT DOWN, BUILD IT BACK UP AND DO THAT. THAT'S WHAT CHRIS WAS SAYING. 
          WE LOOKED AT THE LIST THAT WE HAVE BASED ON OUR PCI INDEX, WHICH GAVE US A VERY HIGH RATING NUMBER, SO WE CAN ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND OVERLAY THAT AND NOT RECONSTRUCT IT. BUT WITH SAYING THAT WE'D BE HAPPY TO TALK TO ANY COUNCIL MEMBER AND, AND LISTEN TO WHAT THEY HAVE. AND WE HAVE ALL, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, ALL OF OUR STREETS IS AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE THAT. WONDERFUL. NO, I LIKE THAT. I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE'RE USING THE PCI TO GENERATE THE LIST. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE INPUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. IS THERE A TIMELINE AS TO WHEN YOU'RE HOPING TO BEGIN THE SUMMER PROGRAM? WE ARE LOOKING TO START AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THE BLESSING FROM THE COUNCIL. 
          OKAY? IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH. I KNOW WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER ITEM COMING BEFORE THIS COUNCIL, PROBABLY IN THE LATTER PART OF JUNE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH OUR UTILITY CUTS THAT WE'VE WE HAVE A A VERY LOT OF INFILL, LOTS AND A LOT OF BUILDING WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. AND WE HAVE UTILITY CUTS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN PAVED OVER. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING BACK FOR COUNCIL TO HAVE THAT AS WELL. AND WE'RE WANTING TO KIND OF GET DIRECTION FROM THIS COUNCIL IF YOU'RE GOOD, SO WE CAN PUT IT OUT TO BID AND START THIS. 
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
          BUT WE CAN PROVIDE THAT LIST ALL THE WAY FROM 40 DOWN AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY ARE. 
          YEAH, I APPRECIATE THE, THE WORK AND UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE PCI. AT LEAST I'M LOOKING AT WORK BEING DONE ON SOME OF THE STREETS IN, IN DISTRICT TWO VERSUS JUST DOING ONE AND GETTING MORE BANG FOR THE BUCK. I GUESS I APPRECIATE THE WORK AND I KNOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME, BUT I LIKE SEEING IT AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. OKAY. SO I HAVE SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT'S BEING PUT FORTH, PRIMARILY BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ALIGN REALLY IN ANY WAY WITH WHAT I'VE PUT FORTH TO STAFF FOR THE PARTICULAR STREETS THAT ARE MOST IN NEED OF SOME ATTENTION. I UNDERSTAND THE PCI, AND I WAS LOOKING AND SAYING, MAYBE THERE ARE SOME THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN OUT OF THE SUBSTRATE. BUT THAT BEING THE CASE, I MEAN, ARE WE GOING TO LEAVE THESE STREETS UNTIL THEY'RE JUST COMPLETELY JUST DUST? AND I KNOW WE CAN'T AFFORD THE MILLIONS, MILLIONS OF DOLLAR INVESTMENT CURRENTLY TO TAKE THESE STREETS DOWN TO THE SUBBASE. SO SOMETIMES YOU JUST GOT TO PAINT THE HOUSE. AND WHAT I'M SEEING HERE ARE A LOT OF A LOT OF STREETS THAT ARE JUST NOT VERY HIGHLY TRAFFICKED AT ALL. AND MY DISTRICT IN PARTICULAR, I'M SEEING FOURTH STREET, WHICH EVEN PART OF FOURTH STREET IS JUST SHUT OFF AND IS A, IS JUST A DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, ROBERT STREET IS NOT HEAVILY TRAFFICKED. IT'S, IT'S VERY MUCH IN NEED. JONES STREET IS A VERY SMALL STREET AND WITH ALMOST NO TRAFFIC. I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE OUR, OUR, OUR PRIORITY STREETS THAT ARE NOT ONLY IN NEED BUT ALSO TRAFFICKED AND THAT HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A DECENT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, GOING DOWN THEM. I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LIST THAT ADHERED A BIT MORE CLOSELY TO BECAUSE I LOOKED AT THE PCI CLOSELY AND I LOOKED AT WHAT I KNOW OF MY DISTRICT AND IN TALKING TO INDIVIDUALS AND SEEING WHAT'S WHAT THE NEED IS. AND THAT'S THE LIST I PRODUCED BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEING. BEING CLOSE TO THE DISTRICT AND SEEING THE SPECIFIC NEEDS. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M PUTTING FORWARD. I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS LIST REFLECTS WHAT'S CURRENTLY NEED FOR DISTRICT FIVE. I'M THINKING STAFF AND YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THAT YOU PROBABLY HAD X NUMBER OF FEET IN WIDTH THAT YOU WERE TRYING TO WORK WITH, AND YOU TRY TO WORK BACKWARDS INTO IT USING STREETS. I THINK WHAT COUNCILMAN IS SAYING HE'D RATHER IN HIS DISTRICT ANYWAY, 
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LOOK AT THE STREETS FIRST AND THEN SEE HOW MANY OF THOSE STREETS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE SURE GET DONE FOR THE 256 AND I'M CURIOUS WHY WE HAVE ROBERTS LISTED TWICE, ROBERTS, ROBERTSON TO ELM AND ROBERTS TO, I GUESS FROM HOWARD TO GRIFFITH. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ELM TO TO ROCKWALL? AND THEN SO LEAVING A PATCH IN THE MIDDLE THAT'S NOT DONE. IS THAT BECAUSE THAT'S HOWARD TO GRIFFITH AND ELM TO ROCKWALL WITH ALL OF ROBERTS? IS THIS IN THE SAME CONDITION? WELL, ON THESE PIECES RIGHT HERE, THERE ARE SECTIONS THAT WE CAN ALLEVIATE AND SAVE SOME MONEY AND NOT PATCH THOSE. DO WE WANT TO GO ABOUT DOING THAT? WE CAN EVALUATE THAT FOR YOU. 
          I'D BE GLAD TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU FOR YOUR LIST AND THEN MASSAGE THEM INTO THIS LIST AND SEE WHERE THEY FALL OUT AND THEN GO FROM THERE. THAT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM AT ALL. 
          WHERE'S WAS THE WERE THE LIST THAT COUNCIL PROVIDED CONSIDERED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS? YOU GUYS HAD TO PUT TOGETHER THIS LIST? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. OKAY. I'M SEEING GRACELAND, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT, BUT I DON'T I DON'T SEE ANY OF THE OTHER STREETS THAT I MENTIONED ON THE LIST. I THINK I PROVIDED SIX, SEVEN STREETS AGAIN, WAS IT BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF THE STREET? MAYBE, BUT I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WELL, LET'S LOOK AT IT AGAIN. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION. YEAH. SOMEONE COULD BE THE LENGTHS CONDITION. YEAH. A THREE INCH OVERLAY IS JUST GOING TO BE WE'RE GOING TO BE REPAIRING OR REPLACING IT WITHIN 5 TO 7 YEARS. WE HAVE SOME EXCESSIVE HEAT SUMMERS. WHAT DO YOU TYPICALLY GET OUT OF A 5 TO 7 INCH OVERLAY OR IT DEPENDS ON THE TRAFFIC, BUT I'D SAY AN ORDINARY YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S A SWAG HAUL. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING A NORMAL SUMMER AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN GET 5 TO 10 YEARS OUT OF IT. OKAY. SO INSTEAD OF GETTING 5 TO 10, WE'RE GETTING 5 TO 7. 
          ALL THOSE TAKE A WEAR AND TEAR. YEAH. OKAY. WAIT, JUST TO BE CLEAR, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT GOING FROM A 3 INCH TO 5 INCH? SO WHAT OVERLAY HOW MANY? IT'S THREE INCH OVERLAY. AND SO YOU GET HOW MANY YEARS OUT OF A THREE INCH OVERLAY. ABOUT 5 TO 10 YEARS. TYPICALLY PLENTY OF SCIENTIFIC NUMBERS. RIGHT. AND FOR SOME OF THESE THAT ARE IN WORSE CONDITION, YOU'RE THINKING WE GET MAYBE WHAT, 5 TO 7 YEARS? SO WE'RE LOSING THREE YEARS. IS THAT THE THOUGHT? NO, IT DEPENDS ON THE ROAD. OKAY. SO I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT TWO THINGS TO WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT A WE'VE GOT YOU'RE PERFECTLY CORRECT, COUNCILMAN. WE HAVE STREETS OUT THERE THAT HAVE THE BASE AND SUBGRADE IS DETERIORATED. AND YOU GOT TO DO A COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION. I THINK THE INTENT. AND YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN HERE A LOT LONGER THAN I HAVE AS FAR AS THE SUMMER PROGRAM WAS MORE OF AN OVERLAY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE STREETS THAT WE HAD, WHETHER IT WAS THROUGH SLURRY SEAL, WHETHER IT WAS THROUGH SOME TYPE OF PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE. I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN TO A POINT TO WHERE WE HAVE AN AGING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITHIN OUR WORK SESSION IS HOW ARE WE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND FUND THOSE THOSE STREETS AS $1 MILLION THAT'S WE'RE DOING FOR STREETS REALLY DOESN'T GO VERY FAR. I THINK WE'RE RIGHT AT 2.7 MILES DEALING WITH ALL THE WHOLE DISTRICTS. SO THAT'S THE THING. I TOTALLY HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND WE ARE TOTALLY OPEN TO IDEAS OF HOW TO ADDRESS THAT. BUT I THINK A LOT OF OUR STREETS IN PARTICULAR, WHAT WE HEARD TONIGHT, HAS A BASE FAILURE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE MORE ATTENTION TO IT, MORE MONEY, ENGINEERING AND SO FORTH. SO MY CONCERN I WANT TO MAKE SURE I COMMUNICATE TO STAFF IS THAT THIS IS MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, AND THIS IS OUR CITIZENS NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. WHEN I TOLD THEM THIS IS THE MAIN THING THEY CARE ABOUT MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. AND IF WE'RE SPENDING $1 MILLION ON IT AND WE'RE SPENDING, YOU KNOW, WAY MORE ON PROJECTS THAT THEY CARE LESS ABOUT THAN WE NEED TO REFOCUS. ALL RIGHT. AND LIKE MR. CHRIS SAID, WE'D BE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND GO OVER YOUR LIST AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE AND SHOW YOU MORE IN DETAIL. ANY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME SIT DOWN WITH US, BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU IN GREATER DETAIL. OKAY, MAYOR, I DO WANT TO SAY YES. ME BEING NEW TO THIS, I LOOK FORWARD TO THE WORKSHOP WITH YOU GUYS. 
          THANK YOU FOR STAFF FOR THAT. SOME OF THESE STREETS RIGHT HERE. THANK YOU FOR THE FOR THE INFORMATION I WILL BE DRIVING THEM JUST TO KIND OF CHECK THEM OUT TO SEE WHAT I THINK. ALSO JUST AND THEN I'LL BEGIN WITH YOU GUYS. SIT DOWN AND WE CAN GO OVER SOME STUFF. SO BEING THIS NEW TO ME, I LOOK FORWARD TO SITTING DOWN WITH A LOT OF TIMES WITH YOU GUYS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M INTERPRETING THIS RIGHT. THE LOWER THE PCI, THE THE WORSE THE STREET OR THE BETTER, THE WORSE. OKAY. IS THIS THE PLAN THAT WE PUT IN PLACE TO KIND OF KEEP OUR ROADS THAT ARE FAIRLY GOOD, TO KEEP THEM GOOD? YES, MA'AM. IS THAT THIS PLAN AS FAR AS WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH AN OVERLAY, YOU'VE GOT A GOOD BASE. ALL OF OUR PROBLEM WITH OUR STREETS, IF YOU'RE LOOKING WITH DIFFERENT 
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COUNTY ROAD 3043, THE BASE IS THE SUBGRADE. EVERYTHING BELOW IS IS IN BAD SHAPE. AND TO COUNCILMAN ROBERTSON'S POINT IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THOSE. AND WE DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE A CHRONIC PROBLEM, THAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH OUR STREETS AND OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THEREFORE, THIS REALLY ISN'T A LOT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE TO TO ADDRESS IT. BUT IT'S A START. 
          AND I THINK AS FAR AS WHAT WE NEED TO DO DURING OUR BUDGET PROCESS, WHENEVER WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR STREET PROGRAMS, LOOKING AT WAYS TO FINANCE THAT OR OR ASPECTS FROM YOU GUYS, HOW YOU WANT TO INSTRUCT STAFF, HOW WE CAN GO AHEAD AND BRING THOSE DOLLARS IN THERE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT OUR RESIDENTS HAVE, AND THEY DESERVE TO HAVE THAT MADE ATTENTION. IT'S JUST FINDING OUT, HEY, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET THE FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT RESOURCE, TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND ADD ON TO IT? WHEN YOU START TO DO STREET PROGRAMS, YOU ALSO HAVE TO BE CONSCIOUS ABOUT WATER LINE REPLACEMENT, SEWER REPLACEMENTS, ANY TYPE OF UPGRADES YOU'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH, STORM DRAIN. HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THAT? SO THE STAFF AND THE COUNCIL, WE DO HAVE A WONDERFUL PROJECT AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH A SOLUTION. BUT TO YOUR POINT, YES, MA'AM. THIS IS TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE BEST WE CAN TO ACCOMMODATE THE STREETS THAT DO NOT HAVE BASE FAILURE. SO WE DIDN'T DO ANY WE DIDN'T HAVE A SUMMER STREETS PROGRAM LAST YEAR. NO, MA'AM. BUT IN 24 WE DID. YES, MA'AM. 
          ARE THESE DIFFERENT AREAS OR DIFFERENT SEGMENTS OF THE STREET? TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. REMIND ME WHAT THE HMAC LEVEL UP IS. WHAT DOES THAT TERMINOLOGY MEAN? I GET THE THREE INCH OVERLAY, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MAKES. HOT MIX. 
          THAT'S WHAT THAT STANDS FOR. SO WHY IS IT DIFFERENT THAN THAT? YEAH. SO IN THE WORKSHOP, THE WHOLE OBJECTIVE IS, IS TO ROLL IT OFF ALL IN A BIG BALL TO SEE WHAT THE TOTAL MAGNITUDE IS. 
          AND THEN WE CAN START FIGURING OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO CHIP AWAY AT THIS, BECAUSE THE NUMBER IS GOING TO BE WITH ALL THE ROADS THAT ARE 40 PSI, PCI AND LOWER. THEY'RE GOING TO BE OVER 75 ROAD SEGMENTS THAT NEEDS TO BE ATTENDED. SO OUR OBJECTIVE RIGHT NOW IS TRYING TO GET THAT BUNDLED UP IN THE COST ESTIMATE AS BEST WE CAN TO SEE WHAT THAT ORDER OF MAGNITUDE IS. AND IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE 15 TO $25 MILLION RANGE, I THINK. OKAY, SO YOU GIVE $25 MILLION, YOU CAN CHOP AWAY AT THIS REAL GOOD. THANK YOU. ARE WE DONE WITH UTILITY CUTS OR ANY OF THESE STREETS HERE GOING TO AFTER IF IF WE SAID, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS LIST THAT YOU PROVIDED US. ARE THEY UTILITY UTILITIES HAVE ALREADY COME THROUGH THERE. I KNOW WE WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THAT IN THE PAST WHERE WE'VE REPAIRED SOME STREETS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MONTHS LATER, HERE COMES UTILITIES DOING UTILITY CUTS. 
          AND IT NEVER DOES GET BUILT BACK THE WAY IT SHOULD. WHERE ARE WE THERE? SO WE HAVE A LOT OF PLAYERS IN THE IN THE ON THE SCORECARD IN THAT AREA. WE'VE GOT ATMOS ENERGY GOING AND UPGRADING ALL THEIR GAS LINES. SO THEY HAVE UTILITY CUTS. SO WE HAVE AT&T GOING THROUGH THERE. WE HAVE A NEW COMPANY COMING IN CALLED DIRECT DIRECT, SOMETHING DIRECT CABLE OR SOMETHING. IT IS ANOTHER PARTY THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING IN AND DOING THE SAME THING AS AT&T. IT'S A IT'S AN INTERNET COMPANY, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING IN AND DOING THE SAME THINGS. SO THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE JUST GOT SOMEONE TO BASICALLY SOLELY DEVOTED TO WATCHING THEM. AND THEN WE HAVE UTILITY CUTS. WE STILL HAVE INFILL LOTS BEING BUILT. SO THERE'S TWO, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF APPLES AND ORANGES. SO THE UTILITY CUTS FOR THE UTILITIES OUT THERE, WE'RE TRYING TO POLICE THEM AND SAY, YOU GO BACK AND FIX WHAT YOU TORE UP. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, UTILITY CUTS THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR, WE'LL MONITOR THOSE AND GO FROM THERE. IN ADDITION TO THE UTILITY CUTS, WE'RE ALSO PUSHING FOR DIRECTIONAL BORING, WHICH WILL ALLEVIATE THE CUTTING OF THE STREET. SAY THAT AGAIN, PUSHING WE'RE HAVING WE'RE MAKING A PUSH TOWARDS DIRECTIONAL BORING. SO BORING UNDER THE STREET INSTEAD OF CUTTING THE STREET. YEAH. THAT'S GOOD ALLOWABLE WHERE WE HAVE THAT THE CAPABILITY OF THAT, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, WE HAVE VERY NARROW STREETS AND SOMETIMES THAT DOESN'T ALLOW. BUT YES, MR. MILLS'S POINT, WE'RE LOOKING TO TO PASS THAT ON TO THE CONTRACTOR TO GO AHEAD AND DO A DIRECTIONAL BOARD. SO IF WE DON'T HAVE TO CUT OUR STREETS, WE DON'T WANT TO. BUT IF WE HAVE TO, THAT'S PART OF THE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING. WHEN YOU HEAR US COME BACK IN THE LATTER PART OF OF JUNE TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO DO X, Y, AND Z, BECAUSE IN THE PAST, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THINGS THAT, YOU 
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KNOW, AS FAR AS WHEN WE DO UTILITY CUTS, THERE'S WE COULD SPEND PROBABLY ALL NIGHT LONG TALKING ABOUT OUR CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE THAT. BUT NOW I FEEL FAIRLY CONFIDENT MOVING FORWARD THAT WE WILL HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE AND WE WILL MAKE SURE IT'S EXECUTED AND TAKEN CARE OF. SO AT ONE TIME, THE COUNCIL WAS DISCUSSING FEES ASSOCIATED WITH ANYONE WHO DID A UTILITY CUT OR A BUILDER WHERE THEY PAID FEES TO, TO HANDLE THE OR OR WE. COVERING OUR COST OR WE NOT. WE ARE RECOGNIZING BACK IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, WE RAISED THOSE FEES. 
          YES. THE OBJECTIVE AND COUNCILWOMAN STEPHANIE EXPRESSED DURING THAT TIME BECAUSE IT WAS A BIG JUMP, BUT IT WAS JUST TO GET WHERE WE WERE STARTING TO BREAK EVEN. 
          SOME OF THEM WE YOU KNOW, WE DO WELL, SOME OF THEM WE DON'T. BUT THE AVERAGE PROBABLY ABOUT AT THE 90TH PERCENTILE. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CHARGE 110, 120%. IT'S BASICALLY STAYING IN THE 80. WELL, YEAH, I CAN DEAL WITH AVERAGE BECAUSE I'M HEARING FROM THE COUNCIL WE NEED MORE MONEY FOR ROADS. SO WE CERTAINLY DON'T NEED TO BE SPENDING MONEY THAT WE NEED FOR ROADS FOR, TO DOING REPAIRS THAT AREN'T CAUSED BY US. YES SIR. I'LL POINT OUT THAT'S MORE OF COMES OUT OF YOUR ENTERPRISE FUND FOR UTILITY. SO IT WON'T COME OUT OF THE SAME BUCKET AS THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH WE STREET REPAIRS WOULD BE UTILIZED AS WELL. OKAY. HOW CONFIDENT ARE YOU GUYS THAT THE UTILITY CONTRACTORS THAT WE'RE USING ARE GOING BACK CORRECTING THEIR CUTS AND FIXING THEM? ARE YOU 75%? I'LL ANSWER IT THIS WAY. AS FAR AS HISTORICALLY, WE CAN SIT THERE AND TELL YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WE COULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB, I CAN I'LL SAY THAT MOVING FORWARD. I CAN TELL YOU WE'RE GOING TO DO A BETTER JOB THAN WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST. AND THEN WE HAVE MORE OVERSIGHT, WE HAVE MORE PROCESSES THAT WE'RE GOING TO HOLD THE CONTRACTORS ACCOUNTABLE FOR. IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN GO BACK BASED ON OUR CONTRACT TO GET SOME OF THOSE FIXED, OR IS THAT JUST GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR? IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO WORK A LITTLE BIT, IF THERE WAS ANY TYPE OF A PERFORMANCE BOND THAT WAS ON THAT, THEN YES, MA'AM. WE WOULD GO BACK AND, AND, AND CALL THAT IN OR FOR US TO DEAL WITH IT. 
          BUT ON MOST OF THE CASES, JUST TO BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT, HONEST WITH YOU, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT. SO MORE OR LESS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS IT AND EITHER FIX IT IN HOUSE, OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER WAYS OF ADDRESSING THAT PROBLEM. AT MOST, BEEN AROUND TOWN ON THE SOUTH SIDE, LIKE EVEN ON ROCKWALL, SOME OF THAT NICE CONCRETE AND THE SIDEWALKS HAVE ASPHALT, LIKE THEY. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. BUT I'M SORRY. SO I'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT THIS WEEK. SO I JUST KNOW THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT SOUTH ROCKWALL. I NOTICED WHEN I WAS ON THE SIDEWALK THAT AT MOST THEY'VE BEEN EVERYWHERE. AND MAYBE I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THOSE AREAS HISTORICALLY. CAN WE ADDRESS THOSE? BUT I THINK YOU ANSWERED IT. BUT YEAH, IT IS A CONCERN. SO HOWEVER WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND GET HELP WITH THOSE THINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT CONCRETE GOES BACK WHERE YOU GOT CONCRETE, IT SHOULD BE REPAIRED THE SAME WAY YOU FOUND IT. YES, MA'AM. AS FAR AS THIS AND CHRIS CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG WITH THOSE ATMOS AND EVERYBODY, THAT'S PROBABLY A TEMPORARY FIX. AND THEN ONCE THEY'RE DONE IN THAT GENERAL AREA, THEY'LL COME BACK AND MAKE IT NEW. OKAY. I'M HAPPY. THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT AND, AND TO JUST TO REITERATE, IT'S PART OF OUR EVERYBODY WE HAVE WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY. EVERYBODY WANTS TO LIVE HERE IN TERRELL. AND WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO SEE GROWING PAINS. AND WHEN WE HAVE GROWING PAINS, THAT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF ROAD CONSTRUCTION. WE HAVE THAT THROUGH THE WHOLE STATE OF TEXAS THROUGHOUT THE DALLAS FORT WORTH METROPLEX. AND WHEN WE HAVE OUR NEW FRANCHISE UTILITIES THAT ARE COMING IN, IT PROVIDES MORE SERVICES AND CHOICE TO OUR RESIDENTS FOR INTERNET GAS OR WHATEVER IN THAT REGARD. SO WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO SEE TORN UP ROADS. WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME STUFF AND WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR BEST. AND STAFF IS WITH OUR INSPECTORS TO STAY ON TOP OF AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE HAVING, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IT BACK THE RIGHT WAY. WE GET CALLS EVERY EVERY DAY. IF A CONTRACTOR IS OUT THERE AND THEY HIT A SEWER LINE OR WATER LINE, OUR STAFF IS RIGHT ON IT. I KNOW CHRIS'S STAFF'S ON IT, OVERSEEING IT, AND WE'RE CORRECTING THE PROBLEM, AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ADHERE TO IT. IF YOU SEE ANYTHING WITHIN YOUR DISTRICT AS FAR AS WITH THAT, PLEASE REACH OUT TO MYSELF OR MISTER CHRIS AND WE WILL ADDRESS IT WITH THEM BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THEIR CONTRACT THAT THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY PUT IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS FOUND. SO I WOULD LIKE TO I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH MARK ABOUT THIS AND THEY'VE BEEN FRUITFUL. I'D LIKE TO SEE US HAVE A VERY CLEARLY DEFINED SITE RESTORATION PROCESS FOR WHEN THESE CUTS OCCUR. SO, SO WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THE STREET, IT GETS CUT. WE HAVE A PROCESS THAT KICKS IN. WE'RE NOT JUST DOING OUR BEST. WE HAVE A PROCESS WHERE EVERY TIME IT HAPPENS, HERE'S WHAT HERE'S WHAT WE DO, HERE'S HOW WE ADDRESS IT. WE'RE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO ADDRESS IT. SO 
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DON'T RELYING ON JUST CITIZENS OR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO REPORT, OH, WE GOT A PROBLEM HERE. THERE'S A PROCESS IN PLACE WHERE EVERY SINGLE TIME, HERE'S HOW WE GET IT RESOLVED BACK TO ITS NORMAL, YOU KNOW, HIGH, HIGH LEVEL STATE, RIGHT? DO WE HAVE THAT PROCESS IN PLACE CURRENTLY? OR AND HOW CLOSE ARE WE TO GETTING THERE? WELL, I'LL I'LL ANSWER IT THIS WAY. AS FAR AS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AND, AND AUGUST OF LAST YEAR, GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF EVALUATING AS FAR AS FOR OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, WE ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          SO TO DIRECTLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. YES, SIR. THERE'S GOING TO BE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN PLACE THAT WE WILL ADHERE TO IT ON THAT. AND SO I BELIEVE THE LEADERSHIP AND THE STAFF THAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING, WE ARE GOING IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION THAT WE HAD TOMORROW. SO CAN YOU SPEAK TOO MUCH ABOUT IN THE PAST? YEAH, BUT AS FAR AS I THINK, WHAT WAS EVERYBODY DID, WHAT DID THE BEST WITH WHAT THEY HAD, BUT NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A STANDARD THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND, AND MAKE SURE IF WE GOT A UTILITY CUT, WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND PUT SOME ASPHALT BACK ON TOP OF IT. WE'RE GOING TO RESTORE IT BACK WITH EITHER GRASS OR WASH OUT. BUT AS SOON AS WE CAN DO THAT, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT. OKAY? BECAUSE MY THOUGHT IS JUST IF WE'RE GOING TO HOLD OUR CITIZENS ACCOUNTABLE FOR MAINTAINING THEIR PROPERTIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE WE'RE TAKING CARE OF OURS AS WELL, NOT JUST TEARING THINGS UP AND LEAVING IN A MESS. SO IF THAT'S AN ORDINANCE WE NEED TO PASS OR SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A PROCESS IN PLACE FOR US TO ENSURE THAT WE STICK TO GETTING THESE SITES RESTORED TO A, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFUL STATE. AGAIN, I'D LOVE TO SEE US DO THAT. LET ME ADDRESS THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. BERNIE AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY HERE FOR ABOUT THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS LOOKING AT OUR PROCESS, SHE SAID, HOW CLOSE ARE WE? ARE WE THERE YET? NO, WE'RE NOT THERE YET. I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY 60, 70%. WE'RE DOING A LOT OF STAFFING CHANGES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AS TASK ORIENTED AND PROCESS. SO THERE'S SOME THINGS THERE. THERE'S A WHOLE LOT MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE UTILITY CUTS JUST SO THESE THINGS DON'T FALL BEHIND ON US. AND THEN WE GET BEHIND. SO WE OUGHT TO BE WITHIN 30 DAYS FROM WHEN THE UTILITY CUT WAS DONE. IT OUGHT TO BE EITHER FIXED OR ON THE BOOKS TO GET FIXED AND KEEP IT ROLLING THAT WAY. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE OBJECTIVE. THERE'S SOME PROCESSES THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE NEAR FUTURE THAT ARE GOING TO ENHANCE THAT AND HELP THAT IN COMMUNICATION WITH ALL DEPARTMENTS AND GROUPS, BECAUSE THERE'S SEVERAL FOLKS INVOLVED IN TRYING TO MONITOR AND KEEP THAT GOING, AND THEN TALKING WITH CONTRACTORS AND SAYING, NOW YOU NEED TO DO IT NOW. SO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD DISCUSSION. YES. JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. AND I KNOW YOU GUYS WILL LET US KNOW IF THERE'S CONCERNS, EVEN WITH SAYING THIS IS FROM 24. WE HADN'T DONE THIS. THERE'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO REEVALUATE. LET US KNOW THAT. OKAY, SO JUST THAT IN OUR WORKSHOP, OKAY, SO THERE'S NO NEED TO GO DO ANOTHER ROAD ASSESSMENT WHEN YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING IN 25. 
          GOTCHA. SO IT WASN'T REALLY NECESSARY TO SPEND THOSE FUNDS. SO WE'LL MAKE A JUMP, DO A ROAD ASSESSMENT AND EVALUATE IT. THEN I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GIVING YOU THE SUPPORT YOU NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR STREETS. THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR WORK. THANK YOU. REMEMBER TO REACH OUT TO BERNIE AND ALSO SNAP ON YOUR STREETS, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO IF WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS OR A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AND TRYING TO PROVE SOMETHING FOR THEM, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF QUICKLY. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA DISCUSS NOT STREET SIDEWALKS. UPDATE. BERNIE, IS THIS YOU OR CHRIS? BOTH OF YOU? ALL RIGHT. CHRIS, SO THIS IS A SMALL ITEM JUST TO GIVE YOU A SMALL UPDATE ON THE SIDEWALKS ON NINTH STREET THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THE ENGINEERING IS GOING ON, SO WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER RIGHT NOW. THE SURVEYING JUST COMPLETED. SO THAT'S PART OF THE ENGINEERING. I JUST WANTED TO DO A QUICK UPDATE THAT IT'S NOT LOST. IT'S NOT STANDARD OR STALED AND SITTING IN SOMEWHERE ON A SHELF. IT IS IN THE PROCESS. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING YOU UP TO DATE ON THAT ISSUE. ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, A QUICK QUESTION. SO ARE WE AT THIS POINT, WE TRANSITIONED AWAY FROM THE THE PLAN TO GO ACROSS NINTH STREET, DO SOME, SOME SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE AND COME BACK TO THE OTHER SIDE WITH THE WE HAVE THE CHALLENGING SECTIONS. WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SIDEWALK ALL ALONG ONE SIDE OF NINTH STREET. 
          CORRECT. AND IN THE OTHER NORTH SECTION OF IT, IT'D BE QUITE DIFFICULT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. CAN WE DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE GRADING AND THE DRIVEWAYS AND ETCETERA, LAND ACQUISITION SETBACK THAT WE HAVE. OKAY. BUT PRETTY GOOD DROP OFF. AGAIN, YOU GO DOWN NINTH STREET TOWARDS THE NORTH. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IN DISTRICT FIVE, I, I REALLY, REALLY WANT TO SEE US DO WHATEVER WE CAN. 
          IF IT'S A LITTLE MORE COSTLY, I THINK WE NEED ABOUT THE BULLET ON THAT, BUT WE NEED TO KEEP 
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THE SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE OF NINTH STREET. I THINK THAT'S JUST A MUCH BETTER APPROACH AND PLAN AND VERY GOOD. YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO KEEP OUR KIDS SAFE WALKING ON THAT STREET TO AND FROM SCHOOL TO AND FROM THE PARK AND THEN CROSSING THAT STREET THERE, BACK AND FORTH. 
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THAT'S A BUSY STREET. LET'S KEEP THEM ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD. THANK YOU. SEE WHAT YOU DO. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA 7.1. YES, MISTER MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL WE BRING TO YOU TONIGHT ORDINANCE NUMBER 3168, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF KAUFMAN COUNTY, TEXAS, AMENDING APPENDIX TWO ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TERRELL AND CHANGING THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION FROM AGRICULTURE TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PBSA ON APPROXIMATELY 54.868 ACRES OF LAND DEPICTED WITHIN THE SPECIAL WARRANTY DEED WITHIN EXHIBIT A AND THE CONCEPT PLAN SHOWN EXHIBIT B AND FURTHER DESCRIBED WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND DEPICTED ON EXHIBIT C AND ATTACHED HERETO AND MADE A PART HEREOF FOR ALL PURPOSES, AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP, PROVIDING A PENALTY, PROVIDING REPEALING SAVINGS AND SEVERABILITY CLAUSES, PROVIDING FOR A PUBLICATION AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. OKAY, BRAYLON MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT. 
          THIS IS AN ITEM THAT IS CONTINUED FROM THE MARCH 24TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING. AT THAT TIME, CITY COUNCIL HAD ASKED THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS ALSO THE DEVELOPER, TO CONDUCT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS STUDY ON THE PROPERTY. SO TONIGHT, WE BRING BACK TO YOU THE ORDINANCE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE WERE NO CHANGES TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARD, THE ORDINANCE OR THE SITE PLAN. I WAS, AS WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED, AND THE APPLICANT AND ALSO THEIR CONSULTANT ARE HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS THE FINDINGS FOR THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, I'M ON THE RIGHT ONE. YEAH. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AGAIN AND TO ALSO ANSWER MAYBE SOME QUESTIONS. I KNOW AT THE LAST MEETING, WE DIDN'T HAVE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO YOU GUYS. PERHAPS YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IMPACT WE HAVE ON THE ROADS. WE HIRED. A MOMENT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THIS PRESENTATION THAT, OKAY, HELLO, MY NAME IS JAY COLTER. I WORK FOR KIMLEY-HORN. I'M SORRY. YEAH, SURE. OH YOU CAN. THERE WE GO. JUST PUT THEM NEXT TO EACH OTHER. IS THAT BETTER? YEAH. ALRIGHTY. HI. I'M JAY COLTER WITH KIMLEY-HORN. I'M A PROFESSIONAL TRAFFIC OPERATIONS ENGINEER, AND I CONDUCTED THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS FOR THE FAIRWAY OAKS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, SO I CAN GIVE A QUICK KIND OF BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OUR METHODS AND WHAT WE FOUND, AND THEN I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE. SO WE CONDUCTED PER TERRELL ORDINANCE. WE CONDUCTED A MEETING WITH CITY STAFF TO SCOPE THE TIA AND HAD AN OFFICIAL SCOPING. DOCUMENT FILLED OUT. AND SO WE COLLECTED TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC, VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN DATA AT THE INTERSECTIONS OF COLQUITT AND 205 AT THE INTERSECTION OF LOVERS AND COLQUITT IN THE INTERSECTION OF LOVERS AND GRIFFITH AVENUE. 
          THIS WAS DONE DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR. SCHOOL WAS IN SESSION. IT WASN'T THE LAST WEEK OF SCHOOL. 
          IT WAS. IT WAS WHEN, YOU KNOW, A VERY, VERY NORMAL AVERAGE DAY. AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT THROUGHOUT OUR KIND OF STUDY AREA, THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES WERE FAIRLY AVERAGE, IF NOT BELOW AVERAGE, ESPECIALLY ALONG LOVERS. WE WERE LOOKING AT TRAFFIC VOLUMES OF ABOUT 2 TO 3 PER MINUTE AT EVERY TURNING MOVEMENT. AND SO WHAT WE DO IS WE GENERATE TRAFFIC BASED ON THE NUMBER OF HOMES IN THE DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN ASSIGN THOSE TO THE CORRIDOR IN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF USING TERRELL AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, BIG HIGHWAYS AS KIND OF THE ATTRACTORS AND WHERE WE WOULD EXPECT THOSE VEHICLES TO GO. SO IF YOU DO WANT TO LOOK AT THAT, THAT'S GOING TO BE ON OUR EXHIBIT NUMBER SIX, JUST BELOW OUR EXISTING TRAFFIC VOLUMES. WHEN WE APPLIED A GROWTH RATE TO THE EXISTING VOLUMES TO KIND OF GROW THEM FROM THE 2026 VOLUMES 
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WE COUNTED UP INTO OUR STUDY YEAR OF 2028. WE ALSO APPLIED PHASES ONE AND TWO OF THE TERRA NOVA DEVELOPMENT TRAFFIC. THOSE ARE THE PHASES THAT ARE EXPECTED TO BE ACTIVE IN OUR HORIZON STUDY YEAR. AND WE FOUND AFTER DUMPING ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC ONTO OUR INTERSECTIONS, THAT ALL OF THE STUDY MOVEMENTS MET THE LEVEL OF SERVICE REQUIREMENT PER THE THE CITY OF TERRELL DEVELOPMENT CODE. THAT'S DONE ON A A TO F RATIO WITH KIND OF C AND B AND A BEING VERY GOOD LEVELS OF TRAFFIC. AND THEN D BEING KIND OF THE BREAKING POINT AND E AND F WHERE YOU START TO FALL INTO UNACCEPTABLE SERVICE. WE FOUND EVERYTHING WAS AT C OR HIGHER AS ACCORDING TO TERRELL STANDARD. SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF GENERAL FINDINGS. WE DID NOT MEET ANY THRESHOLDS FOR REQUIRING TURN LANES, AND NO ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS WERE NEEDED TO BRING THOSE DELAYS BACK TO ACCEPTABLE STANDARDS. WE DID ALSO COUNT THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS IN THE AREA, AND WE FOUND THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE MORE THAN TEN AT ANY OF OUR INTERSECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE DAY. ON THAT DAY, SPECIFICALLY THAT WE COUNTED AND. AND SO THE LAST KIND OF BIT OF ANALYSIS THAT WE HAD WAS THIS SITE IS GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTING SIDEWALKS ALL THE WAY FROM WHERE THEY CURRENTLY END AT THE HOMES ALONG THE NORTHERN SIDE OF LOVERS, ALL THE WAY AROUND TO THE TO THE DRIVEWAY ALONG COLQUITT, WHICH WILL GO PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY TO COMPLETING THE SIDEWALK NETWORK ALONG LOVERS. SO THOSE WERE THE HIGH LEVEL FINDINGS. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING SPECIFIC ITEMS OF CONCERN THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, JAKE. SO TELL ME A LITTLE BIT, HOW DID YOU CONDUCT THE COUNT? WAS IT WAS THERE A MACHINE OR IS IT AN INDIVIDUAL? AND WERE THEY THERE 24 HOURS? HOW DOES THAT WORK? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO WE ACTUALLY PUT A CAMERA UP. IT DOESN'T IT CAN'T IDENTIFY ANYTHING MORE THAN JUST A BLOB THAT LOOKS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A CAR. IT CAN'T READ LICENSE PLATES OR ANYTHING. AND WE HAVE A SUBCONSULTANT THAT PROCESSES THAT DATA. THEY ACTUALLY DO HAVE A PERSON WHO COUNTS EVERY HOUR IN THE STUDY ANALYSIS, AND THEN THEY HAVE A VERIFICATION PROCESS, AND THEN THEY SEND US THE COMPLETED TRAFFIC NUMBERS. SO AND THEN ALSO YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT. YOUR LEVEL WAS AT A C, BUT WHEN IT GETS TO D OR E OR F, AND THEN THAT'S A CONCERN FOR YOU, WHAT NUMBER IS IS C C OR HIGHER IS IS A CONCERN OR LOWER. NO I'M SORRY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR. YEAH, SURE. YOU SAID ALL OF IT WAS AT A C LEVEL. I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE CASE. SO YOU KNOW IF YOU GO ONCE IT GOT ONCE YOU HAD THE NEW TRAFFIC, THEN YOU WERE GOING TO BE AT A C OR HIGHER. CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID. 
          RIGHT. AND IT'S KIND OF MISLEADING. LOSC IS VERY GOOD. ONCE YOU GET TO WHERE WE'RE USED TO GRADES IN SCHOOL BEING, YOU KNOW, C IS BAD. YEAH, I KNOW, BUT SO BUT NUMBER WISE, WHAT WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? IF IF YOU GO TO PAGE 11 AND 12 OF THE OF THE TIA AND WHERE WE HAVE TABLES THREE AND FOUR SHOWING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TIPPING POINT IS, IS ABOUT 35 SECONDS OF DELAY TO GET INTO THE D RANGE. AND EVERYTHING WE HAD WAS 21 SECONDS OR LOWER. 
          YOU SAID 2 TO 3 PER MINUTE. WHAT WHAT DOES THAT. SO YEAH, IF YOU LOOK AT I WAS REFERENCING THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES CURRENTLY. YEAH. THE CURRENT TRAFFIC VOLUMES. SO THOSE ARE ON EXHIBIT FIVE. AND THE, THE VOLUMES I WAS REFERENCING WERE IF YOU LOOK AT EACH OF THE INTERSECTIONS, SORRY, I'M MAKING YOU FLIP BACK. NO YOU'RE RIGHT. OH THERE IS. LOOK AT THAT. OKAY. THERE WE GO. SO EXHIBIT FIVE. 120 VEHICLES IN AN HOUR IS TWO PER MINUTE. SO IT HELPS SOMETIMES JUST TO KIND OF PUT THINGS INTO CONTEXT TO WHERE WE'RE GIVING YOU PEAK HOURLY VOLUMES. THE NUMBER ON THE LEFT OUTSIDE OF THE PARENTHESES IS THE A M PEAK HOUR, ABOUT 7:00. AND THEN THE NUMBER IN THE PARENTHESES IS THE P M PEAK HOUR. SOMETIME AROUND 4:00. AND WE ACTUALLY COLLECTED 24 HOUR DATA. BUT TYPICAL TRAFFIC ANALYSIS JUST LOOKS AT KIND OF THE WORST ONE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, THAT WE GIVE YOU THE WORST HOUR 
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IN THE DAY. SO THE 2 TO 3 WOULD BE 120 TO 180 VEHICLES PER HOUR. AND SO WHAT I WAS REFERENCING IS THAT ALL OF OUR LOVERS AND, YOU KNOW, INTERSECTIONS, WE'VE GOT LESS THAN, LESS THAN THAT. 
          SO THAT'S A VEHICLE EVERY, YOU KNOW, 30S TO OR A YEAH, 20 TO 30S CURRENTLY, CORRECT. YEAH. 
          SO IF YOU GO TO THE FINAL EXHIBIT, I GUESS I SHOULD TURN TO IT HERE BECAUSE I HAVE THE CLICKER NOW EXHIBIT 11, THEY DON'T GET SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THAT. WE'RE STILL BELOW 200 VEHICLES AN HOUR, WHICH AGAIN, THREE, YOU KNOW, ALMOST FOUR PER HOUR, BUT JUST OVER THREE. SO I MEAN, THREE PER MINUTE FOR REFERENCE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT YOU'VE GOT VOLUMES 2 TO 3 TIMES THAT ON A MODERATELY BUSY ROAD. SO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, BEFORE I BEGIN, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR FOLLOWING THROUGH AND GETTING THE STUDY BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND BEING RESPONSIVE TO THEIR REQUEST. COUNCIL. YOU GOT ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, THIS IS IN MY DISTRICT AND I HAVE MANY CONCERNED CITIZENS. I HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS REGARDING THE METHODOLOGY OF THE STUDY. THE FIRST POINT, WHAT METHODOLOGY WAS USED TO ESTIMATE HOW MUCH THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE INCREASED BY THE TURNOVER DEVELOPMENT. 
          HOW DID YOU ESTIMATE THAT THERE WAS A SEPARATE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT USED SIMILAR METHODS FOR THE TERRA NOVA. SO THEY USED A DATA ON A PER HOME BASIS. AND SO WE JUST USED THE LATEST VERSION OF THAT IN THE STUDY. SO THE CONTENTION OF THE STUDY IS THAT A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS POTENTIALLY GOING TO DOUBLE THE SIZE OF OUR TOWN THAT'S ADJACENT TO THIS AREA, IS NOT GOING TO PUT THE TRAFFIC AT THAT INTERSECTION OVER A C. SO PHASES ONE AND TWO OF THAT DEVELOPMENT ARE NOT THE OH, JUST FOR PHASES ONE AND TWO. THAT WAS ALL THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE STUDY. THE INITIAL. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. I MEAN THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT IS A. 15 YOU KNOW, SOME ODD YEAR. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW. WE SHOULD BE PLANNING AHEAD A GOOD TEN, 15 YEARS, YOU KNOW. YEAH. A LOT OF TIMES YOU WOULD EXPECT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, PICK A YEAR THAT WE'RE GOING TO ANALYZE FOR. AND SO WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN OUTSIDE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT'S CONTROL. AND SO IF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ARE GOING TO BE THE CATALYST TO MOVE SOMETHING IN THOSE DEVELOPMENTS, BUT TO BE CLEAR, ABOUT AN EIGHTH OF THE SIZE OF THE TOTAL DEVELOPMENT WAS INCLUDED IN THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, BECAUSE THAT'S A VERY SMALL PORTION OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN AT ITS COMPLETION. THE FIRST THE FIRST COUPLE OF PHASES ARE HOW MANY PHASES ARE THERE TOTAL? 14. IT'S GOING TO BE 14 PHASES IN THERE. THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN THERE, AT EACH PHASE WE WOULD DO ANOTHER. TIA YEAH, EVERY PHASE THAT COMES BEFORE IS A CONSTRUCTION PLAN. TERRA NOVA THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER TIA TO ADDRESS WHAT CONCERNS NEED TO BE, WHAT MITIGATIONS NEED TO BE, WHAT TRAFFIC CALMING, TURNING LANES, ETCETERA, ETCETERA. SO THIS IS INCORPORATES THE FIRST TWO PHASES. THERE'S BEEN TOO MANY TIMES, I THINK THERE'S 400 HOUSES IN PHASE ONE. AND SO ALL THAT'S BEING INCORPORATED. SO YOU CAN SEE THE COMPOUND EFFECT WITH TERRA NOVA. AND WITH THIS JUST IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE FOR THE FIRST ONE, PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO OF TERRA NOVA DEVELOPMENT. THEN WHEN PHASE THREE COMES ALONG IN TERRA NOVA, ANOTHER TIA WILL BE AT WHICH TIME WE WOULD DO WHAT? WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS GOING TO BE OUT OF THAT, SO WE'LL ADDRESS THAT. WHATEVER THAT TIA SAYS. HEY, THESE ARE THE THESE ARE THE IMPACTS. THESE ARE THE PINCH POINTS. 
          YEAH. NOT WARRANT A TRAFFIC LIGHT. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS YOU LOOK AT. WELL, IF WE CAN ESTIMATE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO COME IN THE FIRST TWO PHASES OF DEVELOPMENT, WHY CAN'T WE ESTIMATE WHAT'S GOING TO COME IN THE FULL DEVELOPMENT. AND WE'RE MAKING AN ESTIMATION NOW BASED ON THE FIRST TWO PHASES. WHY CAN'T WE GO AHEAD AND ESTIMATE WHAT'S COMING FOR THE REST OF THE PHASES? WE COULD DO AN ANALYSIS ON THAT, BUT THAT'S A I THINK WE'D FIND THAT IT WAS A LOT OF TRAFFIC LONG DRAWN OUT. THAT'S ABOUT A 25 YEAR PERIOD, 20 TO 25 YEAR PERIOD. THAT 2040 IS WHEN IT'S IT'S PREDICTED TO BE COMPLETED FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA 2040 IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S 14 YEARS AWAY AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 14 YEARS FROM NOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE ENOUGH HOUSES TO DOUBLE THE SIZE OF TERRELL IN AN AREA ADJACENT TO THIS INTERSECTION. I, I FEEL THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. 
          AND I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS STUDY CAPTURES THAT. THAT'S MY CONCERN. OKAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS BASED ON CURRENT ROAD CONDITIONS. SO I'M ASSUMING, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP US OUT A LITTLE BIT AS INFRASTRUCTURE GETS PUT 
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IN, THAT'LL EITHER LESSEN OR INCREASE THE DEMAND ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WHEN WE PLAN. 
          I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT. AND, AND THAT DETERMINES WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO DO A TWO LANE OR THREE LANE OR A LEFT TURN LANE FOR TERRA NOVA. AND I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT ALL OF THAT THAT IS GOING TO FLOW OUT ONTO LOVERIDGE. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME THAT'S GOING TO GO OUT TOWARD THE HIGH SCHOOL AT SOME POINT. SO IS IT ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHO'S GOING WHERE OR. WE DON'T KNOW YET. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. I'M HEARING, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW. YOU TELL ME. SO IF YOU LOOK AT TERRA NOVA AS A WHOLE, THEY'RE ALL NOT GOING TO COME OUT ON GRIFFITH AND THE DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT PLAN THAT THEY HAVE. THERE'S SEVERAL OUTLETS ON THAT PROPERTY SOMEWHERE IN WITHIN POETRY ROAD, GRIFFITH ROAD AND UP UP. 205 AND THEN POTENTIALLY GOING UP THE FORGOT THE ROAD VERY UP FAR UP NORTH. I JUST JUST CLOSING HERE. MY STATEMENTS HERE. I JUST, I, I FEEL LIKE IT'S A BIT SHORT SIGHTED OF US TO DO A TRAFFIC TO MAKE A DECISION, BUT IT'S A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS ON JUST INCLUDING THE FIRST TWO PHASES OF THE GIGANTIC DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S GOING TO BE 14 PHASES LARGE. THAT'S GOING TO OBVIOUSLY HAVE MANY MORE CARS THAN ARE INCLUDED IN THE THE STUDY. IT DOESN'T SET MY MIND AT EASE. RIGHT? NO, NO. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO BE CLEAR AND FAIR TO EVERYBODY, OF COURSE, ON WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE GOING AND COMING. 
          ANYONE ELSE? MY CONCERN IS. WELL, I UNDERSTAND, COUNCILMAN. THE 14 YEAR STRETCH, HOWEVER, I UNDERSTAND. ALSO TO GO 14 YEARS OUT IS NOT IT'S NOT NOT FEASIBLE. BUT IT'S NOT IT WILL NOT GIVE US REAL NUMBERS. EVEN THOUGH EVERYTHING IS A GUESS. SO I UNDERSTAND THE THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. AND BASED ON ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT, TERRA NOVA, AFTER THEIR FIRST TWO, WE HAVE THIS ANTICIPATION. NOW YOU HAVE GIVEN US ALL THESE WONDERFUL NUMBERS AND THE ONLY THING I CAN SEE IS COLQUITT ROAD TO 205. AND THAT CURVE. TURN RIGHT, THERE'S LOVER'S LANE, BUT THAT CURVE RIGHT THERE, RIGHT BY THE GATE OF THAT OAKS, THAT GOLF COURSE. SO YOU CAN DO ALL THE TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THE WORK. MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT GOING TO BE FIXED IS BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW, THE OPTICS ARE EVERYTHING. 
          SO IF I HAVE LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN THE MORNING AT 7:00 WHEN CHILDREN ARE GOING TO SCHOOL, AND IN THE AFTERNOON WHEN EVERYONE WHEN PARENTS ARE PICKING UP CHILDREN, IT'S A WAR ZONE. OPTICS ARE EVERYTHING. SO EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE DOING THREE CARS IN 30S OR HOWEVER THOSE NUMBERS ARE, I UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS. THE OPTICS ARE. I'M STILL NOT GOING TO DRIVE DOWN THAT ROAD BECAUSE IT IS JUST TOO. SO. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ALL OF THIS, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH YOUR DEVELOPMENT PROJECT OR HOWEVER YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A PLAN TO EASE MY CONCERN, WHICH IS THAT CORNER BY THE GATE, THAT ENTRYWAY, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. OH YEAH. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DEAL WITH IF YOU'VE NEVER MET A PARENT THAT HAS TO PICK UP THEIR CHILD AT 330, YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO BE THERE. SO THAT THAT CURVE RIGHT THERE, THAT THERE'S THERE'S SIDEWALKS, THERE'S, THERE'S THAT DITCH, THERE'S THE BRIDGE THAT, THAT BERNIE'S DEPARTMENT HAS TO FIX EVERY THREE MONTHS. THERE'S NO LIGHTS. THERE'S, IT'S JUST. SO THANK YOU FOR THE STUDY. BUT IN THE LONG RUN, THE ONLY THING I'M INTERESTED IN IS, ARE YOU GOING TO FIX THE ROAD? YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT WIDER. ARE WE GOING TO PUT LIKE AIRPORT LIGHTS OUT THERE? I DON'T KNOW SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? IT'S I UNDERSTAND YOU COUNT THE CARS, BUT FOR ME, I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH WHEN YOU COME WITH YOUR PLAN, AFTER WE DO WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO DO. I JUST WANT 
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TO SEE THE ROAD. DO SOMETHING WITH THE SIDEWALKS. CURVE, BRIDGE LIGHTS, ALL OF THAT. 
          THAT'S. BUT BECAUSE I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THE NUMBERS. FIRST OF ALL, CAN WE PUT UP THE LAYOUT AGAIN OR DID WE HAVE THAT BY CHANCE? I HAVE IT IF YOU DON'T. RIGHT THERE. RIGHT. 
          THAT ONE. IT'S KIND OF HARD FOR HIM TO SEE. SO EXCUSE ME. YEAH. SO ON THE LAYOUT, IF YOU'LL LOOK WE WILL HAVE ONE AND IT DOESN'T REALLY SHOW IT. SO I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. WE HAVE ONE OUTLET ON COLQUITT. WE HAVE TWO ON LOVER'S LANE. NUMBER ONE. THAT'S TO KIND OF TAKE PRESSURE OFF OF ANY ONE PARTICULAR ENTRANCE. NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE TO BE SO FAR. OH THANK YOU. I'M SORRY WE HAVE TO BE SO FAR OFF OF THE CORNER IN ORDER TO DO AN ACCESS INTO THE COMMUNITY. SO THAT ACCESS POINT ON THE CORNER WILL GO AWAY WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT QUESTION. AND I UNDERSTAND A TIA. AND IN LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC NUMBERS, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ALLEVIATE SCHOOL TIME TRAFFIC. I MEAN, I'M JUST GOING TO BE HONEST, IT'S NOT EVERY SCHOOL I GO BY. IT'S IT'S TOUGH. IT'S GOING TO TAKE A FEW EXTRA MINUTES. IT JUST IT'S JUST. BUT ORDINARY TRAFFIC AND GETTING THROUGH THERE. I THINK IT'S MINIMAL AND THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM TO GROW. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, HEY, WHAT DOES IT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE? I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT WILL TAKE AND COME INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU START HAVING OTHER DEVELOPMENTS COME OUTSIDE THE CITY, OUTSIDE OF NOVA, OUT OF OTHER PLACES, IT'LL BE CONTINUAL GROWTH BY THE CITY TO HELP MAKE THAT HAPPEN. OKAY. AND I'M SURE WITHOUT ME EVEN KNOWING WHAT TERRA NOVA IS, THAT THERE'S MANY ACCESS POINTS IN AND OUT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT. YOU DON'T DO ONE THAT SIZE AND YOU DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT. SO THE THE FACT OF WHAT I MEAN IS, IS THAT EITHER THE 205 OR PEOPLE GO OUT THE OTHER WAY. I MEAN, THERE'S GOING TO BE SEVERAL PLACES IN AND OUT OF THAT COMMUNITY. AND SO MY, MY THING IS, IS I WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT MY IMPACT IS, I MEAN, I'M NOT THOUSANDS OF HOMES. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING 200. THAT'S THOUSANDS OF HOMES. SO I'M HERE AND I WANT TO MAKE RIGHT. AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO BUILD IT LIKE YOU NEED ME TO. AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE IN ALL OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERATIONS AND EVERYTHING AND MAKE IT WORK. 
          BUT I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND WHAT IS REQUIRED WITH MY 200, OKAY, AND NOT THE THOUSANDS, IT'S NOT I MEAN, WE HAVE ROADS THAT CAN HANDLE THE IMPACT. AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK IT'S SAYING. SO AGAIN, I'M I'M HAPPY TO LOOK FORWARD. I MEAN, THAT I'M HAPPY TO LOOK FORWARD INTO SOMETHING ELSE IF WE NEED TO DO THAT. AND WHAT YOU'VE CONSIDERED AND WE ARE HAPPY IN ENGINEERING TO LAY THAT OUT AND MAKE IT WORK. AND IT MAY BE MAYBE, BY THE WAY, WE DO DO A TURN LANE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT HELPS IN BEING ABLE TO GET IT ALL. BUT I THINK I'M HERE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF REITERATE NOT ONLY THE TRAFFIC PART OF IT, BUT IN LOOKING LIKE THE ROADS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, YOU GUYS, AND THERE'S SOME REPAIRS. WE'RE NOT DOING A DISTRICT TO HELP PAY FOR IT. I MEAN, IF YOU WANT ME TO DO A DISTRICT A, YOU KNOW, A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT OR A MUD DISTRICT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT GENERATES MORE FUNDS, I'M DOING IT, AS I MENTIONED TO YOU, ALL THE OLD FASHIONED WAY. WE'RE JUST PUTTING IN THE DEVELOPMENT, BUILDING IT UP TO STANDARD, HOPEFULLY GREATER THAN STANDARD THAN WHAT YOU WOULD THINK. THE WAY WE DEVELOP OUT. AND I HAVE A PAST HISTORY OF DOING THAT, AND IT'S I DO NICE DEVELOPMENT. AND SO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOU TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE NOT DOING ANY KIND OF THING LIKE THAT. WE'RE PAYING EVERYTHING UP FRONT. AND THE TAX REVENUE WAS $568,000 IS WHAT I LOOKED AT A YEAR. AND THAT'S WHAT CAN HELP GO TOWARDS ROADS OR INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT NOT ONLY HERE, ANYWHERE YOU NEED IT. IT'S YOUR DECISION ON WHERE THOSE FUNDS GO. SO ANYWAY, GO AHEAD. YEAH. NO, NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. YEAH. I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR YOU. I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK WE ARE. OH NO. I MAY BE THE ONE THAT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE OPEN MINDED BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT. I PRETTY MUCH KNOW WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE TO PUSH TO GET THIS ONE OF THESE KIND OF DEVELOPMENTS THROUGH. AND I THINK BY DOING THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS EARLY, I TOLD YOU LAST TIME WHEN YOU TOLD US YOU WOULD DO IT, I APPRECIATE 
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IT. THANK YOU. THIS IS NOT NEEDED. IT'S NOT NECESSARY. I'D BE DISAPPOINTED IF I FOUND OUT AFTER I'VE GOTTEN INTO NURSING, I WORKED, I'VE DONE IT. AND THEN THEY HAVE A WEIGHT LIMIT FOR NURSES. I PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A NURSE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK WE'RE MAKING YOU JUMP THROUGH EXTRA HOOPS, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH US TO DO THAT. BUT I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THE STUDY. BUT THESE ARE MY QUESTIONS. WHAT IS THE STANDARD WHEN YOU DO AN IMPACT STUDY. IS IT ALWAYS JUST 24 HOURS? IS IT MULTIPLE DAYS THROUGHOUT THE MONTH. JUST KIND OF GIVE ME THAT THAT GROUND ON HOW YOU DID THIS. AND I WANT TO KNOW, EVEN IF YOU COULD TELL ME LIKE WHAT DATE IT WAS. SURE. YEAH, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT DAY IT WAS. THE STANDARD FOR THE CITY IS ONE DAY DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR, FROM TUESDAY TO THURSDAY. THOSE ARE KIND OF YOUR TYPICAL AVERAGE DAYS FOR ANYWHERE IN A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND WE DID OURS. 
          LET ME SEE IF I CAN POINT YOU TO THE EXACT PAGE HERE. APRIL 21ST, 2026. OKAY. WHICH WAS A TUESDAY. SO WE DID HAPPEN TO COLLECT 24 HOUR COUNTS, WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY STANDARD. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE CAUGHT EVERYTHING THAT WAS AT THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY, AND WE GOT. YEAH. SO THEN WE NARROWED DOWN ON THE THE HIGHEST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MORNING AND AFTERNOON PEAK HOURS. WHEN DO YOU WHAT'S THE STANDARD? USUALLY WHEN YOU DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, IF IT'S NOT 24 HOURS, OFTEN IT'S JUST YOU COLLECT TWO HOURS AROUND WHEN YOU EXPECT THE PEAK HOURS. SO TWO HOURS IN THE MORNING, TWO HOURS AT NIGHT, FOUR HOURS TOTAL. AND YOU, YOU KIND OF BRACKET THE PEAK HOUR AND THEN PICK THE HIGHEST PEAK HOUR INSIDE OF THAT. OKAY. SO HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN DOING THESE STUDIES? YOUR COMPANY? NINE YEARS. YEAH. AND HAVE YOU DONE STUDIES WITH A DEVELOPMENT PRETTY COMPARABLE TO THE SIZE THAT HE'S GOING TO PUT IN. YES, MA'AM. HAVE YOU DONE STUDIES THAT'S BIGGER THAN THE SIZE HE'S GOING TO PUT IN. YES. YEAH. IN SOME LESS. YEAH. I'VE DONE 2 OR 300 STUDIES OVER THE, OVER MY NINE YEARS AND I'VE BEEN SIGNING AND SEALING THEM FOR 500 OR FOR FIVE YEARS, NOT 500 YEARS. FOR FIVE YEARS. YEAH. AND IT'S BEEN DIFFERENT SIZES, SOME SMALLER ABOUT WHAT HE'S DOING AND SOME THAT'S A LOT BIGGER. YEP. IS THAT RIGHT? YEP. OKAY. ANOTHER QUESTION. YOU SAID THERE'S SPECIFIC AREAS WHERE WE SCORED A C. YOU SAID C IS OKAY IN THIS IS GREAT. YEAH, C, B OR A. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO BE. THOSE ARE YEAH. THOSE ARE THE CITY OF TERRELL ACTUALLY HAS A MORE STRINGENT STANDARD THAN MOST CITIES. IF YOU GO TO MANY CITIES IN THE AREA, IT'S LOS, D AND TERRELL SAYS WE DON'T LIKE D. WE'RE ONLY WE'RE STICKING WITH C. SO IT'S ACTUALLY HIGHER THAN THE INDUSTRY STANDARD. BUT IT IS THE STANDARD. SO AND YOU DID EVERYTHING THAT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. THERE'S NOTHING YOU DID IN YOUR STUDY TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT WAS A C. NO, NO, IT WAS A D. THERE WAS NO DOCTORING OF THE RESULTS. YEAH. 
          OKAY. AND ESPECIALLY AT THE TWO LOVERS INTERSECTIONS, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE WAYS TO MESS WITH SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS. YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THE SIGNAL TIMINGS IN THE FUTURE. THOSE AREN'T SIGNALIZED. SO WE COULDN'T, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING TO MESS WITH. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO GIVE YOU A HARD TIME. NO, NO, NO, I APPRECIATE IT. 
          YEAH. THIS SEAT I SIT IN, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, UNETHICAL THINGS OR SOMETHING THAT MAY BE TWISTED OR, YOU KNOW, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO ASK THE RIGHT QUESTION. YEAH. AND THE REASON THE STUDY IS A COUPLE HUNDRED PAGES LONG IS WE, WE GAVE YOU ALL OF OUR ANALYSIS SHEETS. SO. OKAY. SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU SEE WITH US GETTING A C THAT WOULD HAVE MAYBE HELPED US GET A B OR CLOSER TO A, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER WAY TO GET US EVEN BETTER, EVEN THOUGH THINGS ARE MORE STRENUOUS, OR IS THERE ANYTHING THAT MIGHT HELP US EVEN MAKE IT A LITTLE SAFER FOR OUR COMMUNITIES THAT, YOU KNOW? YEAH, THERE'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION OF, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU GET FROM C TO B REALLY, YOU JUST HAVE TO LIKE NOT HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE EXISTING DRIVING AROUND. SO IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO IMPROVE SOMETHING TO AN A, IT'S JUST NATURALLY PEOPLE DRIVE AND THEY EXPERIENCE SLIGHT DELAYS WHEN THEY DRIVE AROUND. AND THOSE USUALLY TEND TO BE SOMEWHERE IN THE B TO C RANGE. SO WHEN WE SEE, AFTER ALL THE TRAFFIC'S BEEN ADDED, B'S AND C'S KIND OF DOMINATING A NETWORK, WE'RE USUALLY PRETTY SATISFIED WITH THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. ONE THING TO ADD, IF I MAY, COUNCIL MEMBER HOLMES THOMAS, IS THAT WE I DO NOT USE KIMLEY-HORN NORMALLY. SO WE HEARD THAT THIS IS KIND OF THE PREFERRED COMPANY USED BY THE CITY. AND ALSO THE SPECS THAT 
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WERE GIVEN TO HIM CAME FROM THE CITY. JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT ALL THE DIFFERENT POINTS TO CHECK AND ALL. SO IT HADN'T ANY. I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN PAYING FOR IT. I BUT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IT WAS REALLY TRYING TO WORK WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT THE CITY WANTS AND WHAT DO THEY USE. AND WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, I GET IT, AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS IS FOR MY DEVELOPMENT. YEAH. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, JUST TRYING TO. THINK ABOUT COUNCIL MEMBER OR MAYOR PRO TEM ROBINSON'S CONCERN, WOULD IT BE REASONABLE TO LOOK FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD? I MEAN, I GET IT, YOU'VE DONE WHAT YOU'VE NEEDED TO DO. YOU'VE ACTUALLY PROBABLY DONE MORE THAN YOU NEEDED BASED ON THE STANDARDS OF HOW THIS USUALLY WORKS. AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT FRUSTRATION. I GET IT, BUT COULD WE DO ANYTHING ELSE TO HELP? I MEAN, I'M HAPPY WITH THE YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS. AND IF I MEAN, BASED ON YOUR STUDIES, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. BUT IT IS HARD TO BE JUDGED ON A LADY WITH A THINNER WAIST. YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO GET IT AS A WOMAN THING. BUT I LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN DO? IF WE KNOW TERRANOVA'S COMING? I KNOW IT'S NOT YOUR JOB TO REALLY CARE ABOUT WHO'S COMING AROUND THE CORNER, BUT DO YOU THINK THERE'S ANYTHING AS A DEVELOPER YOU COULD DO TO EVEN MAYBE EASE MY COLLEAGUES MIND ON THAT, BASED ON TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS? THE ONLY THING I WOULD THINK, AND I WISH I HAD MY ENGINEER HERE BECAUSE I COULD REALLY GET MORE FROM HIM AND KIND OF UNDERSTANDING DESIGN. BUT IF IT WAS SOMETHING WE WERE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, I WOULD GET MY ENGINEERING COMPANY TO WORK, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CITY ENGINEER AND WORK OUT ANY ISSUES THAT MAY BE. AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. I'D BE HAPPY TO DO IT. STAFF, I'M GOING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. OKAY. YEAH. WELL, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE? CAN I ASK THEM A QUESTION? YEAH, I WAS GOING TO BRING THEM BACK UP SO THAT WE COULD ALL DO IT TOGETHER. THAT'S FINE. DID Y'ALL NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE DEVELOPER. NO. OH WAIT. YOU GOOD? OKAY. YEAH. I WANTED TO VISIT WITH CHRIS AGAIN AND RAYLAND BECAUSE AS AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, HE MADE A COMMENT THAT THEY WEREN'T ASKING FOR ANY THING FROM THE CITY INCENTIVE WISE. RIGHT. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. CORRECT. AND INITIALLY WHEN THEY APPROACHED US, WE WORKED WITH THEM. AND. WOULD YOU SAY THAT THEY WERE COOPERATIVE WITH REQUESTS BY THE CITY, OR WAS THERE SOME TENSIONS AT ALL ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD REQUEST OR DIDN'T REQUEST OR TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT INITIALLY? I THINK Y'ALL, Y'ALL HAD A SO MY TAKE ON IT AND I'LL LET HER SPEAK. BUT WHEN RUSSELL AND HIS TEAM CAME AND VISITED WITH US, OUR CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN VERY PLEASANT. THEY'VE BEEN VERY FORTHRIGHT. THEY'VE BEEN VERY OPEN, THEY'VE BEEN CANDID. THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY KICKBACK PUSHBACK. I DON'T LIKE THIS IS AND WE HAVE A LOT OF STANDARDS. A LOT OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS DO NOT LIKE OUR STANDARDS, SUCH AS THE THICKNESS OF THE CONCRETE. THAT'S ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE THINGS THEY BALK ON. THEY WANT TO CHEAP OUT ON THE BASE, AND THEN THEY WANT TO CHEAP OUT ON THE THICKNESS OF THE CONCRETE. 
          RUSSELL AND HIS TEAM HAVE NOT REQUESTED ANY VARIANCES OR DIFFERENCES IN OUR STANDARDS, SO ALL THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN RIGHT UP THE ALLEY AND VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. YEAH, I WOULD AGREE THAT USUALLY WHAT WE GET THE MOST PUSHBACK ON HAS A LOT TO DO WITH YOUR CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS. A LOT OF IT'S GOING TO BE YOUR FEE SCHEDULE. THERE WAS NO QUESTION ABOUT IMPACT FEES OR REVIEW FEES, ETC. AND, YOU KNOW, SO MANY TIMES WE ASK AN OPINION FROM STAFF AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY FELT LIKE THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE CITY. IS IT A GOOD DEVELOPMENT OR THE STANDARDS WHAT WE WANT? HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER THAT? AND I, I'M MEANING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT BECAUSE WE WE'VE WE DO THAT BEFORE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DEVELOPERS. WE DON'T KNOW. WE'RE TAKING YOUR WORD AT IT. BUT IT DID GO TO PLANNING AND ZONING AND TELL TELL ME AGAIN ABOUT WHAT THAT VOTE WAS. IT WAS A, THAT WAS RIGHT. YEAH. IT WAS DENIED BY PLANNING AND ZONING, CORRECT? NO, IT WAS DENIED BY PLANNING AND ZONING. 
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IT WAS. OH YES. THAT'S RIGHT. TOO MANY. YEAH. NO, NO IT'S ALRIGHT. HEY WE'RE ALRIGHT, WE'RE GOOD. SO YOU HAVE FACTS YOU KNOW FROM THE FROM MY OPINION THAT LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY, EVERYTHING'S GOING TO THE CREEK IN THE IN THE IN THE FLOODPLAIN IN THAT AREA. HE'S PROPOSED ALL THE DETENTION IN THE PONDS AND THAT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT AND THEN ALSO MAKE AN AMENITY OUT OF THAT. SO IT'S GOING TO BE VERY USEFUL LAND. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO BRING UP AS FAR AS THE CONCERNS ABOUT A LOT OF THE TERRA NOVA. SO ASKING TERRA NOVA WHAT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN PHASE THREE AND PHASE FOUR, THAT'S WHEN THOSE IDEAS ARE GOING TO COME UP AND GOING. THAT IS WHAT THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE. SO THOSE TERRA NOVA IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE IN THAT SITUATION, HOW TO HANDLE AND FIX THE REMEDY OF WHAT THEY'RE IMPACTING WITH THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE. AND THAT'S WHERE BECAUSE IN THE PAST, OUR DEVELOPMENT, WHEN WE DID PHASES, WE DID NOT DO T A'S AS WE PROGRESSED FORWARD. SO IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER BIG ONES, NORTH STAR, I MEAN, NORTH SPUR. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE IMPLEMENTED TO KIND OF MAKE SURE WE PROTECT OURSELVES, THAT WE DON'T HAVE BOTTLENECKS. 
          SO AS WE GROW, WE CAN IDENTIFY WHAT THAT CURRENT LEVEL IS. MAYBE SOMETHING'S CHANGED. WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GOING TO COME ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF COLQUITT AREA. SO THERE'S A LOT OF LAND THERE. 
          SO AND YOU REVIEWED WHAT THEY SUBMITTED TO THE CITY, AND THEY FOLLOWED THE RULES. AND THE STANDARDS ARE WHERE WE WANT THEM. AS FAR AS NOTHING'S BELOW STANDARD, NOTHING'S. WOULD YOU ANSWER THAT LIKE CORRECTLY, TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M NOT MISSING SOMETHING? SO THE ONE THING THAT I DID WANT TO MENTION IS THIS IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. SO OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE NOT GOING WITH JUST OUR STRICT USE CHART. THEY'RE NOT A STRAIGHT SF SIX OR EVEN A STRAIGHT SF 7.5. BUT AS STAFF, I DO BELIEVE THAT WE PRESENTED YOU SOMETHING THAT IS EQUITABLE TO OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED. I DON'T THINK THAT WE BROUGHT YOU ANYTHING IN THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU HAVE NOT SEEN BEFORE, AND WITH THIS DEVELOPER WORKING WITH STAFF AND ALSO WITH THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND ALSO FROM PNC. AND JUST TO REITERATE, IT WAS A FOUR THREE DENIAL FROM PNC. SO WE DID RECORD THAT IN THE ORDINANCE. YOU HE DID COME BACK WITH A FEW TWEAKS TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO MADE SOME OF THE LOTS BIGGER. WE KNEW THAT THE LOT SIZES WAS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE A CONCERN COMING FORWARD. BUT JUST AS STAFF, AS FAR AS A RECOMMENDATION, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS IS THE SAME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE AND WHERE WE STRUGGLED WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. DO WE HAVE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WHERE WE HAVE, SAY, EIGHT, EIGHT HOUSES ON ONE ACRE? YOU HAVE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE ON 3000 604,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT? DO WE JUST DO WE HAVE OTHER ELEMENTS WHERE WE HAVE EIGHT HOUSES PLOTTED ON ONE ACRE? FOR THE 3600 SQUARE FOOT LOT? YES, SIR. THAT THAT WOULD WHAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD THAT BE? JUST SO I CAN COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES, YOU HAVE 3500 TO 4000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS WITHIN TERRA NOVA. OKAY. SO WE HAVE SOME WE HAVE A PLOT IN TERRA NOVA WHERE WE HAVE EIGHT ZERO LOT LINE HOMES ON ONE SINGLE ACRE, BECAUSE THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO ME. AS I REMEMBER DISCUSSING EVENING STAR IS THE OTHER ALSO EVENING. OKAY, THAT WAS BEFORE I WAS. WHAT ABOUT MY POINT? GO AHEAD. 
          MY POINT. SO WE WE HAVE A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THAT LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID, THIS DOES NOT ADHERE TO OUR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. CORRECT. AND SO AND THEY DENIED IT BASED ON THAT, BECAUSE BECAUSE THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PARK. THAT'S BEEN THE CASE FROM DAY ONE FOR THIS TRACT OF LAND. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN SOME UNUSUALLY DENSE PLOTTING HERE WITH MANY, MANY HOMES ON ONE ACRE OF LAND. I KNOW WE KEEP DISCUSSING WHETHER OR NOT RUSSELL'S A GREAT GUY. I LIKE RUSSELL, HE'S HE'S BEEN FINE. WE KEEP SAYING HE'S GREAT TO WORK WITH OR WHETHER HE WAS. HE PUSHES IN WEIRD DIRECTIONS OR WHATEVER, BUT TO ME THAT'S IRRELEVANT. WHAT'S WHAT'S RELEVANT IS, IS THIS OR IS THIS NOT GOOD FOR TERRELL? DOES IT ADHERE TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHAT WE PLAN FOR THIS AREA? AND WILL IT WILL IT CAUSE UNTENABLE TRAFFIC? THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL WE SHOULD CARE ABOUT. AND WE'RE ALL WE'RE SEEING IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS TWO PHASES OF A 14 PHASE DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MASSIVE 
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TRAFFIC INFLUX HERE. WE'VE GOT 14 MORE OR 12 MORE PHASES AFTER THIS OF TRAFFIC THAT ARE GOING TO BE GOING DOWN LOVERS AND GOING OUT TO TO 205 IT'S JUST IT'S GOING TO BE UNTENABLE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. YOU WANT TO GO FIRST AND THEN TWO, THE OTHER PIECE, WHAT I KNOW WE MENTIONED THAT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING NECESSARILY ABOUT SCHOOL PICK UP TIMES, BUT THE SCHOOL PICK UP TIMES NOW IN THAT AREA ARE ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS NOW. SO ADDING THESE HOUSES THERE, THIS DENSE DEVELOPMENT, ALONG WITH 12 MORE PHASES OF TERRANOVA, THAT'S TO ME, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE EVEN DISCUSSING THIS AS BEING A POSSIBILITY FOR OUR DISTRICT. 
          I'LL TELL YOU. ORDER, ORDER! ORDER, PLEASE. I'M JUST TELLING YOU, I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD THIS DEVELOPER RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND THE STREET AND THE JONES'S HOUSE. I DON'T OPERATE LIKE THAT. IT'S NOT RIGHT. IT'S NOT FAIR. BASED ON OUR HISTORY IN AMERICA. I'M NOT DOING THAT. IF THIS GUY HAVE, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. HE HAS TAKEN. GET GET HIM OUT, PLEASE. IF HE HAS DONE WHAT HE NEEDED TO DO. IF OUR STANDARDS NEED TO CHANGE, LET US KNOW. IF IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT WE NEED TO DO, LET US KNOW. I'M OKAY WITH THAT, BUT I'M TELLING YOU, I DON'T WANT IT TO FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE APPROVING DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS OTHER PLACES, THE ISSUE IS, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE 54 ACRE PARK, AND WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. IF THIS IS THE ONLY THING WE CAN PUT ON THIS PROPERTY IS A 54 ACRE PARK IN TERRELL, TEXAS. AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON A 54 ACRE PARK BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY OTHER NEEDS IN THE CITY. 
          WE TALKING ABOUT STREETS, YOU KNOW? SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. WE MIGHT NEED TO LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I'M OKAY WITH THAT, BUT I THINK I DON'T WANT TO BE CHANGING THE STANDARDS AND THE RULES BASED ON WHATEVER. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT THERE'S OTHER PLACES THAT WE'VE APPROVED OR DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE THIS DENSE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING FAIR AND WE'RE EQUALLY HONESTLY AND TRYING TO FAIRLY APPLY THE RULES FOR OUR DEVELOPERS. OKAY, ANOTHER THING WITH THE OUTCOME BEING ANY DIFFERENT, IF HE WOULD HAVE USED AN ENGINEER THAT HE WANTED OR A FIRM TO DO THE TRAFFIC, DO YOU TRUST WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM KIMLEY-HORN, OR DO YOU THINK THEY'RE REALLY THE CAMERAS MISSING OUT? LIKE IT'S ONLY TAKEN EVERY OTHER PICTURE OR EVERY OTHER SECOND IS SHOOTING UP? WHAT DO YOU THINK? THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I COULD BE. HONESTLY USE THIS DOCUMENTATION AND BELIEVE THAT IT'S TRUE. OR DO YOU THINK IT'S SOME OTHER SOMETHING ELSE WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S REALLY 2 OR 3 CARS GOING DOWN THAT STREET WHEN IT'S REALLY OF TEN CARS GOING DOWN EVERY 2 OR 3 MINUTES? DO YOU THINK THAT'S ACCURATE WHAT YOU'VE BEEN PRESENTED? DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT SOMETHING, ASK FOR CAMERA FOOTAGE? TELL ME. BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE LIKE THERE'S SOME LIKE THE NUMBERS ARE NOT RIGHT. OR MAYBE THEY PICKED THE WRONG DAY. THAT'S WHY I ASKED. WAS THIRSTY THE RIGHT DAY? APRIL THE 21ST. MAYBE SHE DID IT. APRIL 15TH WHEN TAX SEASON WAS GOING AND PEOPLE WERE GOING TO THE MAILBOX TO GET THEIR TAXES FILED. I MEAN, I'M JUST KIND OF RAMBLING, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE APPLYING THE RULES OF OUR STANDARDS OR WHATEVER WE WANT HERE IN THIS CITY AND APPROVING THINGS FAIRLY. IF WE NEED TO CHANGE SOMETHING, I NEED TO KNOW THAT MOVING FORWARD, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T WANT TO FEEL LIKE, OH, THAT WE ARE PROVING SOMETHING THAT REALLY WASN'T ACCURATE, THAT WE WERE LIED TO. OR MAYBE IF WE WERE TO USE A COMPANY, WE WOULD HAVE GOT DIFFERENT. I THINK IT'S GOOD WE USED A DIFFERENT COMPANY THAT WE'RE MORE FAMILIAR WITH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO SAY USE THIS COMPANY. I THINK ANY COMPANY THAT'S ETHICALLY PRACTICING COULD HAVE DONE THIS STUDY WITH ANY OTHER COMPANY. GIVE US ANY OTHER OUTCOME YOU THINK? NO, IT WOULD IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME. SO GIVEN THE SAME TIME FRAME AND THAT IS THIS THE DATA THAT IS BEING ANALYZED. SO KIMBERLY HORN AND SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT ARE OUT THERE, THEY 
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THEY'RE ALL VERY REPUTABLE. SO THIS WAS AN ISSUE THAT WE WAS TRYING TO TO EXPEDITE IN A TIME CRUNCH. SO IT TOOK A LITTLE LONGER THAN WE ANTICIPATED, BUT WE GOT IT DONE. DID THAT HARM OR DETRIMENT THE DATA OR QUALITY OF DATA? ABSOLUTELY NOT. CAN I ASK A QUESTION REAL QUICK BEFORE WE SO SENIOR TOWERS RIGHT ON ON NINTH STREET. YOU KNOW WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT DEVELOPMENT IN THERE. HOW DENSE IS THAT? DO WE DO WE KNOW DO WE HAVE AN IDEA? IT'S PRETTY THERE'S QUITE A FEW HOMES BACK IN THERE. AND THAT'S NOT A RELATIVELY BIG. AND IT'S FEEDING OUT ONTO NINTH STREET. AND AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF AN AREA WHERE WE HAVE QUALITY HOUSING FOR FOLKS. AND IN YOUR OPINION, IS THIS A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT? I HOPE THAT THE ANSWER IS YES. YOU WOULDN'T BRING SOMETHING THAT WE COULD SUPPORT THAT WASN'T A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE, IS IT? RIGHT. NOT AT ALL. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON BOARD. I KNOW HERE'S HERE'S THE THING WITH THE MAYOR IS I TRY TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF MEMBERS AND THEIR DISTRICT. BECAUSE I KNOW AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, WHEN I WAS IN DISTRICT FIVE, I WOULD DO THAT. I WOULD ASK THAT FROM THE MAYOR. RIGHT. SO THAT I KNOW. AND THEN ALSO WHEN WE HAVE PLANNING AND ZONING, IT'S RARE FOR ME TO GO AGAINST THEM, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE THE DECISION OF THE COUNCIL, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'VE GOT ALL THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. DONNA. RENEE. PLANNING AND ZONING MY UNDERSTANDING OF PLANNING AND ZONING IS I'M JUST WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT GOING FROM CHANGING THE ZONE, THE AGRICULTURE, TO. SINGLE HOME DEVELOPMENT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE. ECHOING COUNCILWOMAN HOLMES THOMAS, THAT WE'RE FAIR WITH MR. RUSSELL. IN THE PAST, EVIDENTLY THINGS HAVE BEEN FAST AND LOOSE. BUT WE WE'RE DOING THINGS DIFFERENTLY NOW. AND TERRANOVA IS TERRANOVA. IT'S HUGE. AND I HAVE I HAVE SOME TREPIDATION ABOUT THAT, BUT I'M NOT SURE I WANT 54 ACRES OF PARK. I'M NOT SURE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT. THE FUTURE OF TERRELL IS. WE HAVE TO DO. DO I KNOW WHAT I WANT TERRELL TO BE IN THAT AREA? IF WE. ARE FAIR AND WE'RE DOING THINGS ACCORDING TO HOW WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO THEM. THEN WE NEED TO CONSIDER. THE DEVELOPMENT. OF WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO WITH THAT AREA. AND I'M RELYING ON THE STAFF AND ALL THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE DONE, AND YOU ALL HAVE LITERALLY ALL OF YOU HAVE BENT OVER BACKWARDS ON THIS ONE. I JUST NEED TO KNOW A DEFINITIVE IF THIS IS A GOOD THING, THEN ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THAT? YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS GOING TO THROW IN THE NOT THE THE 90TH LEGISLATURE, WHICH IS GOING TO TIE OUR HANDS IN 2027, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT. SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO BEFORE THEN AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAKE IT WORK FOR US BEFORE THEN? I DON'T I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE DICKERING. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE 100 QUESTIONS. WHAT DO WE WANT TO PUT ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND HOW IS IT GOING TO BENEFIT THE CITY OF TERRELL? AND I? SO FAR, EVERYBODY HAS DONE BEEN DUE DILIGENCE IN PRESENTING US THAT INFORMATION, AND NOW IT IS UP TO US TO MAKE A DECISION IN THAT REGARD. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TO DO THAT. OKAY. CAN I MAKE ONE MORE QUESTION? YES, STATEMENT HERE. I WANT TO ADDRESS THIS. THESE THOUGHTS AROUND A 54 ACRE PARK. OKAY. ADMITTEDLY, YOU SAY 54 ACRES OF 
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PARK. THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GIANT PARK, BUT THERE'S THERE ARE SO MANY USES FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU GET A COMMUNITY CENTERS OR A NATURE PRESERVE OR ALL KINDS OF THINGS, AN ARBORETUM, ALL KINDS OF COOL THINGS YOU CAN DO. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST LIKE A BIG, YOU KNOW, PARK WITH SOME PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT STUCK ON IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. IT, IT'S, IT WAS SET ASIDE TO BE A RECREATIONAL AREA FOR OUR CITY. AT ONE POINT. IT WAS A GOLF COURSE. IT COULD STILL BE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE MEANINGFUL FOR OUR TOWN WITHOUT PUTTING, YOU KNOW, SHOVING A TON OF DENSE HOUSES ON IT. THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WE CAN DO WITH OUR LAND THAN JUST A DENSE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S NOT OUR LAND. IT'S THE LAND, THE LAND IN OUR CITY. IT'S LAND IN OUR CITY. BUT IT'S NOT OURS. IT'S NOT OURS. AND I'M GOING TO GO ON THE RECORD. I'M NOT SPENDING MONEY WHEN I KNOW THAT WE JUST HAD A LITTLE TOUGH TOUCH AND GO HERE ON STREETS. I WOULD RATHER PUT WHATEVER DOLLAR SIGN WE STILL HAVEN'T EVEN. I HOPE WE GET BRYNN STREET DONE. WELL, THE YOU KNOW, THE THING IS WE HAVE. 
          I CAN'T SIT HERE AND SAY MY DISTRICT WANTS MINERAL WELLS FIXED, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO DO A COMMUNITY CENTER BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PURCHASE LAND. WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT OUR DISTRICT THINGS. I WANT TO FINISH MY POINT. SO WE TALK A LOT ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT OR WHETHER STAFF TALKED WITH OUR DEVELOPER HERE AND HAD THE THE RIGHT CONVERSATIONS. HE WAS EASY TO WORK WITH. WELL, WHAT ABOUT TALKING TO OUR CITIZENS? OKAY. BECAUSE OUR CITIZENS HAVE BEEN VERY LOUD AND CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THEY DON'T WANT HERE. AND TO, TO A PERSON. I, I, I'M TELLING YOU, I, I KNOW MY DISTRICT, I TALK TO THEM FREQUENTLY. I COMMUNICATE WITH THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS. AND THIS DEVELOPMENT IS EXTREMELY UNPOPULAR. THEY DON'T WANT IT THERE. AND ME AS THEIR REPRESENTATIVE, I HAVE TO BE THEIR VOICE AND SAY, HEY, THEY DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN IN THEIR DISTRICT. I'M NOT SAYING. MY POINT IS, WELL, YOU'RE YOU'RE CONCERNED. YOU'RE MENTIONING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE MONEY COULD DO IN YOUR DISTRICT. I'M SAYING, WELL, MY DISTRICT DOESN'T WANT IT IN THEIR DISTRICT. RIGHT. SO WE HAVE TO I'M NOT GOING TO SAY WE HAVE TO GIVE THAT THE CREDENCE IT DESERVES. NEVER WANT TO DISRESPECT THE PEOPLE THAT WE REPRESENT. THERE IS TENSION THERE. I'M NOT EVER GOING TO SAY THAT. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY FOR 54 ACRES FOR SOMETHING THAT OUR CITIZENS. WELL, THEN LATER DOWN THE ROAD, WE REVISIT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE SAY, LET'S DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH THAT LAND. BUT FOR NOW, THAT'S THE PLAN THAT WE'VE SET FORTH AND WE SHOULD BE ADHERING TO. OKAY, YES. NO POINTS, ALL GOOD POINTS. AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR ADDRESSING THE COUNCIL. RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND THIS IS A. 
          DISCUSS AND CONSIDER. BUT BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, GREG, YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY. I DO, MR. MAYOR. AND GIVEN THE FACT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER VARGAS WAS A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WHICH WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THE VOTE AND SO FORTH ON THAT. IN FACT, I THINK HE CHAIRED THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AT THE TIME IS CORRECT. WE WE FELT THAT ONLY PRUDENT AND. AND JUST TO AVOID EVEN THE APPEARANCE OF ANYTHING UNTOWARD OR OR ANYTHING OTHER THAN TOTAL FAIRNESS, THAT HE RECUSED HIMSELF FROM VOTING ON THIS ONE ITEM FOR THAT REASON. THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT TO HIM BY MISS RAMSEY AND MYSELF. IT WAS NOT ANYTHING HE DID. IT WAS STRICTLY ON THE ADVICE OF COUNSEL. ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU SIR. SO AGAIN, THIS IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ORDINANCE NUMBER 3168. IS THERE A MOTION. FOR WHAT IS TO. LET ME LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE. YES. SO THE THE ACTION TAKEN BY PLANNING AND ZONING WAS THAT THEY DENY THE ZONING OR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. SO EITHER YOU ACCEPT WHAT PLANNING AND ZONING HAS DONE OR YOU WANT TO OVERTURN WHAT PLANNING AND ZONING HAS DONE. DO WE HAVE ANY FEEDBACK ON WHY THEY DENIED IT? THE REMIND ME, OH, STAFF, WOULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD? WAS IT THE COST OF THE FUTURE LAND PLAN? IN THE MINUTES FOR P AND Z? AND THE MAJORITY OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE COMMISSION HAD WAS THE SIZE OF THE LOTS. 
          AND THAT WAS WHEN THE SITE CHANGE WAS OR THE SITE PLAN WAS AMENDED BEFORE IT CAME TO CITY COUNCIL TO INCLUDE SOME 7.5. SO INITIALLY THE PNC FELT LIKE IT WAS THE LOT SIZE THAT THEY HAD THE MOST CONCERN WITH. SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE ORDINANCE AND GREG HELPED ME HERE, THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN SUCH THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD APPROVE THE ZONE CHANGE. 
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SO THE MOTION WOULD BE WHETHER OR NOT TO APPROVE THE FIRST READING. EXACTLY. IT WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE THE READING OF THE ORDINANCE, SPECIFICALLY ORDINANCE 3168 AS PRESENTED, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. EXACTLY. YES. OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO DO, RIGHT. DON'T HAVE TO. YEAH. NOT HAVING TO OVERTURN, BUT BUT IN ESSENCE, THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF WE APPROVED ORDINANCE NUMBER 31683168 WOULD BE IN HEAVEN EFFECT TO OVERTURN THE. YES. CORRECT. THAT'S. THERE ANY OTHER VERBALIZED CONCERNS IN PLANNING AND ZONING OTHER THAN THE LOT SIZES? IT WAS LOT SIZES AND FUTURE LAND USE. YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          STAFF, IS THERE A MOTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 3168? THERE'S A POINT OF ORDER. CAN I MOTION TO UPHOLD THE RULING OF PNC? NO. YOU CAN DENY THE ORDINANCE, RIGHT? YES. TO DENY THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE THE SAME THING. OKAY. IF YOU MOVE TO. DENY ORDINANCE NUMBER 3168, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. I MOVE TO DENY ORDINANCE NUMBER 3168. YES, 3168. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SO FOR CLARITY THE THE MAYOR IS HERE TO BREAK TIES. RIGHT. YEP. YOU CAN VOTE ANYTIME YOU WISH, MAYOR. BUT I CAN ALSO SECOND THE MOTION. YOU CERTAINLY MAY. 
          WELL I'M GOING TO SECOND THE MOTION OF DISTRICT FIVE, PHIL ROBERTS. SO NOW IS THAT WITH THAT DONE, SAID AND DONE, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM PHIL ROBERTSON OF DISTRICT FIVE TO DENY ORDINANCE NUMBER THREE, ONE, SIX EIGHT AND A SECOND FROM THE MAYOR TO DENY ORDINANCE NUMBER 3168. AND AGAIN, I WANT TO BE CLEAR. WELL, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES. AND AT THIS POINT, AT THIS POINT, THE MAYOR WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A POINT AND SAY, HEY, I'VE STATED BEFORE THAT I TRY WHEN I CAN BE SUPPORTIVE OF MEMBERS AND THEIR DISTRICTS AND WHAT THEIR WISHES ARE, AND ALSO THAT IT'S RARE FOR ME TO GO AGAINST OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WHEN THEY PRESENT SOMETHING. SO DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY? I HAVE A TELL ME AGAIN. THE PLANNING AND ZONING. THERE ROLE IS TO. WHAT IS THEIR ROLE WHEN IT COMES TO ZONING CHANGES? JUST TO APPROVE VERSUS. THEY RECOMMEND TO RECOMMEND THEY DO. THEY GENERALLY HAVE MUCH THE SAME INFORMATION THAT THE COUNCIL HAS HEARD THIS EVENING. DEVELOPERS COME BEFORE THEM. THEY LAY OUT THEIR PLANS FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER, AND THEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION VOTES AND MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL. 
          SO AGAIN, WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THE LAST QUESTION I WANT TO ASK. IF WE DENY. THE ZONING, PLANNING AND ZONING DECISION. THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THE THE P I'D IS. THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. YEAH. THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS. I DON'T WANT TO SAY DENIED. THAT'S NOT REALLY. THAT'S IT. YEAH. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT IT IS. YES, MA'AM. 
          GOOD. ALRIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I, I I ANY OPPOSED. NAY NAY NAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A TWO TWO TIE. IT FAILS. 
          SO DOES THAT MEAN WE NEED ANOTHER VOTE TO PASS IT. NO. IT'S FAILED. IT'S FAILED. MAYOR. 
          THE ORDINANCE HAS FAILED. YES, SIR. IT DIDN'T. OKAY, SO WHAT IS THAT? WHAT'S THAT DO? THAT MEANS MEANS WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. WELL, I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT I MEAN, IN ESSENCE. SO WITH THAT, THESE PEOPLE HAVE CLARITY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE IT MEANS THAT THAT ON A TWO TWO VOTE TIE VOTE, THE MOTION OF IT'S FAILED. THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE, THE ORDINANCE HAS FAILED. PASSED, HAS FAILED, FAILED TO PASS. CORRECT. THE DENIAL. YES, THE DENIAL HAS FAILED. NOW, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO TO APPROVE IT, YOU CAN DO THAT. AND READ 
          [02:20:09]
REVOTE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME? WE'RE SAYING THAT ON A TWO TWO VOTE. THE MOTION AS STATED HAS FAILED, HAS FAILED. SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER MOTIONS? THERE YOU GO. I GUESS WOULD BE THE QUESTION. ARE THERE ANY OTHER MOTIONS ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 3168. CAN WE CAN WE GET SOME CLARITY FROM OUR PARLIAMENTARIAN JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE APPROACHING THIS CORRECTLY? RIGHT ON THIS. YEAH. IT IT DOES FAIL. BUT THE MAYOR THE MAYOR IS ALWAYS THE TIEBREAKER AND HE IS THE WAY THAT HE VOTED WOULD BE THE WAY THAT IT WOULD. OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, SO IT'S DENIED. THAT'S THAT WAS ORDINANCE DENIED. NEXT QUESTION. I MEAN, NEXT ITEM DISCUSSION. CONSIDER RESOLUTION NUMBER 32318, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF TERRELL, TEXAS, DESIGNATING A DESIGNATED OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE DOE TO COMPLY WITH THE TRUTH AND TAXATION REQUIREMENTS OF THE TEXAS TAX CODE, PROVIDING FOR A BACKUP DESIGNEE AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MARK. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS EVENING WE BRING THIS RESOLUTION TO YOU. WE ARE REQUIRED TO LIST IN THIS ORDINANCE, THIS RESOLUTION, A DESIGNATED OFFICIAL TO CONDUCT OUR TRUTH AND TAXATION CALCULATIONS. WE HAVE DESIGNATED MATTHEW POSTON, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, AS THE INDIVIDUAL THAT WOULD DO THOSE CALCULATIONS, AND I WOULD BE THE BACKUP. OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MARK ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 2318. YOU GUYS NEED A BRIEF RECESS. OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION ON RESOLUTION 2318? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION RESOLUTION NUMBER 2318. OKAY. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM JORGE VARGAS, OUR DISTRICT THREE REPRESENTATIVE, A SECOND FROM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, MAYOR PRO TEM FROM DISTRICT TWO, TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION NUMBER 2318 AS PRESENTED. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          OUR NEXT MAYOR. CAN I MAKE A MOTION ALRIGHT. ITEM 7.3 DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ORDINANCE NUMBER THREE. ARE WE ON SEVEN? NO. .33733. NO, I JUST HAD A VOTE ON 7.3. DON'T GO BACKWARDS. 
          YEAH. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ORDINANCE NUMBER 31282 VACATING AND ABANDONING A PUBLIC ALLEYWAY. THE SAME BEING SITUATED IN THE W RAIL SURVEY. ABSTRACT NUMBER 418 KAUFMAN COUNTY, TEXAS. BEING ALL OF THE 20 FOOT WIDE ALLEY RIGHT OF WAY BETWEEN BLOCKS THREE, 91, THREE, 92 AND BLOCKS 43 AND 44 CONNECTING VIRGINIA STREET AND SAN JACINTO STREET, AS SHOWN AND MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN THE PLAT AND LEGAL DESCRIPTION THEREOF, ATTACHED HERETO AS EXHIBITS A AND B, AND MADE A PART HEREOF FOR ALL PURPOSES RAILROAD. SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF CLEANUP. WE HAVE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE ON VIRGINIA. THIS ALLEYWAY SITS IN BETWEEN THEM. THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISPUTES ABOUT DRIVEWAYS ALONG VIRGINIA AND WORKING WITH BOTH PROPERTY OWNERS, TRYING TO GET ACCESS TO PROPERTY AND ALSO GIVING THE PROPERTY OWNERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE OFFICIAL DRIVEWAYS AND PARKING SPACES. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE ABANDON THIS ALLEY, WHICH IS NO LONGER NEEDED BY THE CITY, AND THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE DIVIDED BETWEEN THE ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS. ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? ONE ADDITIONAL POINT. AND THE RAILROADS GOT THIS EXACTLY RIGHT. THIS CAME UP IN MUNICIPAL COURT WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP. WHEN WHEN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS DECIDED ONE OF THESE PROPERTY OWNERS PARKING ON, ON AN UNIMPROVED SURFACE IN AN ALLEYWAY. AND THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT THIS WHOLE MATTER BEFORE THE COUNCIL. NOW, I THINK RAYLAN'S DESCRIPTION IS CORRECT. AND AT THE REQUEST OF. NORMALLY WHEN IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES THIS ON BOTH READINGS, NORMALLY WE WOULD ONLY PUT THIS ORDINANCE IN THE DEED RECORDS AND THAT WOULD CONVEY THE PROPERTY. HOWEVER, AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY MANAGER AND CORRECTLY. SO THE CITY, MYSELF AND MISS RAMSEY WILL BE PREPARING QUITCLAIM DEEDS FROM THE CITY TO THESE VARIOUS PROPERTY OWNERS. THAT WAY THERE WON'T BE ANY QUESTION ABOUT WHO OWNS WHAT, AND THEN THEY CAN GO ON AND PROVE THEY EACH HAVE TEN FEET. IT'S A 20 FOOT ALLEY, SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO BUILD A 
          [02:25:01]
DRIVEWAY OR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. GREG. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. 
          IS THERE A MOTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 3182. SO MOVED. WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND HAVE A MOTION FROM RENEE ANDERSON OR MAYOR PRO TEM A SECOND FROM PHIL ROBINSON OR DISTRICT FIVE REPRESENTATIVE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 3183 AS PRESENTED 31823182 AS PRESENTED. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIED. PRESIDENT. OUR NEXT ITEM IS 7.4. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ORDINANCE NUMBER 3183 VACATING AND ABANDONING A 20 FOOT PUBLIC ALLEYWAY, THE SAME BEING SITUATED BETWEEN LOTS TWO, THREE AND 18 BLOCK 11 WARREN ADDITION, CITY OF TERRELL KAUFMAN COUNTY, TEXAS, AS SHOWN IN THE PLAT THERE OF ATTACHED HERETO AS EXHIBIT A AND MADE A PART HEREOF FOR ALL PURPOSES RAILROAD. ANOTHER ALLEYWAY AND A LITTLE BIT OF CLEANUP FOR ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS. YEARS OF BUILDING AND ENCROACHING WITHIN CITY ALLEY. WE HAD A BUILDING PERMIT THAT WAS APPLIED FOR TO REPLACE AN EXISTING GARAGE, WHICH WAS ALREADY IN A CITY ALLEY. SO DOING A LITTLE CLEANUP, WE HAD THIS ALLEY SURVEYED, AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE CITY NO LONGER NEEDED THIS RIGHT OF WAY. AND SO WE AGAIN, ARE PROPOSING TO DIVIDE THIS UP BETWEEN THE ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR RAYMOND. AGAIN THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 3183. IS THERE A MOTION ORDER NUMBER 3183. I HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM PHIL ROBINSON DISTRICT FIVE. A SECOND FROM MAYOR PRO TEM HONOR RENEE ANDERSON. DISTRICT TWO TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 3183 AS PRESENTED. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? LET IT BE KNOWN BY SAYING AYE AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES WITH UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 7.5. DISCUSSING. 
          CONSIDER RESOLUTION NUMBER 32315. APPROVING AN ANNEXATION AGREEMENT WITH JOHN T DOAN AND THREE DOAN, TRUSTEES OF THE DOAN LIVING TRUST, DATED JULY THE 27TH OF 2001, CONCERNING THE ANNEXATION OF APPROXIMATELY 5.67 ACRES OF LAND SITUATED IN ABSTRACT NUMBER 493 LAWRENCE BLOCKS 41, 42 AND 73 KAUFMAN COUNTY, TEXAS, AND WITHIN THE EXTRATERRITORIAL, EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION OF THE CITY OF TERRELL KAUFMAN COUNTY, TEXAS, AND PROVIDING FOR AN IMMEDIATE EFFECTIVE DATE. RAYMOND, WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS AN ANNEXATION AGREEMENT. 
          JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY OF WHY THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WOULD BE ANNEXED. THIS IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH IS THE D I AIRFIELD INTERCHANGE TWO. YOU MORE COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS THE INDUSTRIAL SECTION OF NORTH SPUR. AND SO THIS PROPERTY WAS ACQUIRED BY THE DEVELOPER BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT LANGUAGE. 
          AND SO THEY HAVE GONE OUT AND PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY. AND THIS PROPERTY WILL BE USED AS AN EXTENSION TO CONNECT TO 1390 13, A 92. YES. SORRY, IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT. SO WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS THE RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT AND ALSO CALLING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING. ALL RIGHT. RESOLUTION NUMBER 2315. ANY QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2315. WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION FROM JORGE VARGAS, DISTRICT THREE, SECOND FROM STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS OR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM FROM DISTRICT FOUR TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2315 AS PRESENTED. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 7.6. DISCUSSING. CONSIDER RESOLUTION NUMBER 2317 APPROVING AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE TO THE CEDARS AT ROSE HILL PARTNERSHIP PARTNERSHIP DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF TERRELL AND ROSEHILL DEVELOPMENT, LLC AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE SAID AGREEMENT AMENDMENT AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. SO THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT IS FROM MAY 17TH, 2022. SINCE THEN, WE HAVE GONE IN AND REVISED THE CONCEPT PLAN. 
          IT INCORPORATED SOME ALLEY AND SOME FIRE LANE IMPROVEMENTS, AS WELL AS SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXTENSION OF THE ROADWAY. NO MAJOR CHANGES WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THESE REVISIONS WERE INTENDED TO ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL LAND ACQUISITION, SO THEY WERE ABLE TO KEEP ALL OF THE EASEMENTS RIGHT OF WAY AND VIOLINS WITHIN THEIR EXISTING PROPERTY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS? AGAIN THIS IS RESOLUTION 
          [02:30:03]
NUMBER 2317. IS THERE A MOTION. SO MOVED. I HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, OUR MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT TWO, A SECOND FROM STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS OR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM FROM DISTRICT FOUR TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2317 AS PRESENTED. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I, I ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES AND NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 7.7. DISCUSSING. CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A TENANT AGREEMENT TO G ONE HANGAR. THIS IS OUR CITY ENGINEER, CHRIS KNAPP. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT SOMETHING REALLY EXCITING NOW. DULL AND DRY AND BELABORING AT TIMES. SO. SO I GOT SOME EXCITING NEWS. AND EAST TEXAS FLYING SCHOOL IS WITH US. THEY'VE ENDURED TONIGHT. AND SO WE ARE SIGNING A CONTRACT BEFORE YOU FOR A FIVE YEAR TERM. PETER WITH EAST TEXAS FLYING SCHOOL IS HERE AND THEY'RE OUT OF MINEOLA. THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE SOME MAINTENANCE SERVICES TO OUR AIRCRAFT AND ALSO A FLYING SCHOOL THERE. THEY'LL BE IN G ONE HANGAR. 
          IT'S EXISTING HANGAR. IT'S OWNED BY THE CITY. SO IT'S BEEN VACANT. AND THEY HAVE COME WILLING TO PARTICIPATE AND BE A PART AND JOIN IN AND GOT A LOT OF EXCITING. AS YOU KNOW, LAST TIME WE WAS HERE TALKING ABOUT THE AIRPORT, WE ADDED A BUILDING. NOW WE GOT A NEW TENANT WITH NEW BUSINESS. SO AS I SAID, EXCITING TIMES ARE COMING AT THE AIRPORT. ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHRIS ON THIS MATTER? WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS CHRIS? DO THEY WANT TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AT ALL? MAYOR AND COUNCIL NERVOUS NOW? WE'RE WE'RE REALLY NOT THAT BAD. WE'RE ACTUALLY NICE PEOPLE. ALRIGHT. AGAIN, IS THIS IS A THIS IS A DISCUSSION. CONSIDER. ARE WE AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A TENANT AGREEMENT TO G ONE HANGAR. IS THERE A MOTION. SO MOVED. I GOT A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM PHIL ROBERTSON, OUR DISTRICT FIVE REPRESENTATIVE, A SECOND FROM OUR MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT TWO, DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A TENANT AGREEMENT TO G ONE HANGAR. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES AN 
          [8. INFORMATION REPORTS]
END TO VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA ARE OUR INFORMATION REPORTS COUNCIL. 
          WE HAVE ONE FROM APRIL OF 2026 FROM KAUFMAN COUNTY TRANSPORTATION. WE ALSO HAVE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT MONTHLY REPORT, OUR TRANSIT REPORTS. IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE REACH OUT TO 
          [9. ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 551 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING:]
STAFF. IF YOU NEED CLARIFICATION ON ANYTHING THERE. THIS TIME, WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION FIVE FIVE, ONE OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, TO DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING SECTION 551.087 DELIBERATIONS REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATION. SECTION 551.071 CONSULTATIONS WITH ATTORNEY. WE ARE IS IT TIME? ARE WE. NOT YET. AT THIS TIME, WE'LL RECONVENE IN THE REGULAR 
          [10. RECONVENE INTO REGULAR SESSION AND CONSIDER ACTION, IF ANY, ITEMS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.]
SESSION AND CONSIDER ACTION, IF ANY, ON ITEMS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. ARE THERE ANY MOTIONS? MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE BY THE EDC OF A PROPERTY AT 102 EAST MORE AVENUE. WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SORRY. AT AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 1.6 MILLION PLUS CLOSING CLOSING COSTS. GOT IT. I HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM PHIL ROBINSON, DISTRICT FIVE, A SECOND FROM JORGE VARGAS, DISTRICT THREE TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF A BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN TERRELL AND AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 1.6 MILLION PLUS CLOSING COSTS. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING
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