[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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          2026. WE GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING TONIGHT. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, LET'S PLEASE STAND UP FOR INVOCATION. WE HAVE COMMISSIONER GARCIA THAT'S GOING TO LEAD US TONIGHT. AND PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. LORD, WE PRAY FOR THE INTENTION OF THIS BEAUTIFUL TOWN THAT WE CALL HOME. WE ASK FOR YOUR WILL TO BE DONE TONIGHT. WE ASK THAT WE SERVE YOU. YOU SERVE THIS COMMUNITY TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. HAIL MARY, FULL OF GRACE, THE LORD IS WITH THEE. BLESSED ART THOU AMONG WOMEN, AND BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF THY WOMB, JESUS. HOLY MARY, MOTHER OF GOD, PRAY FOR US SINNERS NOW AND AT THE HOUR OF OUR DEATH. AMEN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. PLEDGE. LEAD ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. OKAY, BEFORE WE 
          [4. BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS]
GET STARTED, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SWEAR IN INTERMEDIUM. COMMISSIONER. SIR? YES? MR. STEVENS, WILL YOU RISE? WILL YOU STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? CAN YOU REPEAT AFTER ME? I, DANNY STEVENS, I, DANNY STEVENS, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR. SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES. THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF INTERIM COMMISSIONER. THE OFFICE OF INTERIM COMMISSIONER FOR CITY OF TRURO. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THE CITY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. AND WILL, TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, PRESERVE, PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES, AND OF THIS STATE, AND THE CHARTER AND ORDINANCES OF THIS CITY, THE CHARTER AND ORDINANCES. SO HELP ME GOD. 
          THANK YOU. WELCOME BACK. THANK YOU SIR. OKAY. AS WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE TWO COMMISSIONERS NOT PRESENT TONIGHT. WE DO HAVE GABRIEL CABRERA. HE'S THE VICE CHAIRMAN WHO'S IS UNEXCUSED ABSENT TONIGHT. WE ALSO ARE MISSING KELSEY. SORRY. THE LAST ONE WHO'S WHO HAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE FOR TONIGHT. BUT WE DO HAVE ENOUGH FOR A QUORUM, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BEFORE WE START, IS THERE ANY ANYBODY HERE WANTS TO ADDRESS THE BOARD IN REGARDS TO ANYTHING NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. OKAY. ALL 
          [6. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
RIGHT. SO WE STARTED ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES. COMMISSIONERS. HAVE WE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT JANUARY 22ND 2020, 26 MINUTES FOR THAT MONTH? AND IF SO, WOULD I HAVE A MOTION FOR THOSE. 
          I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE JANUARY 22ND, 2026 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES. I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE JANUARY 22ND, 2026 MEETINGS. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          [7. PUBLIC HEARING]
OKAY. WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE COMMENTS REGARDING A ZONE CHANGE FROM AGRICULTURE TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, SINGLE FAMILY PROVIDING FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ON APPROXIMATELY 54.86 ACRES OF LAND WITHIN THE LEWIS H. ADAM SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 007 BEING TRACK ONE, TWO AND THREE IN THE CITY OF KAUFMAN COUNTY, TEXAS, IDENTIFIED AS KAUFMAN COUNTY CAD PROPERTY ID 1542, FURTHER KNOWN AS 2000 COLQUITT ROAD, TERRELL, TEXAS. THIS IS PD TO SF 2631 68. STAFF WILL GIVE US SOME INFORMATION ON THIS. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. SOME OF Y'ALL WILL KNOW I FEEL LIKE I'M I'M IN THE 90S. I HAVE TWO PNC MEMBERS HERE FROM SEVERAL SEVERAL YEARS AGO. SO THIS IS A LOT OF FUN. I ALSO WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE IMPLEMENTING KIND OF A NEW PROCESS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING SO THAT YOU, AS COMMISSIONERS AND ALSO IN THE FUTURE, CITY COUNCIL CAN HAVE ONE ON ONE DIALOG WITH THE DEVELOPER 
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THEMSELVES. SO I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU THE VERY TECHNICAL INFORMATION IN REGARDS TO THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN I WILL ACTUALLY BRING UP THE APPLICANT AND HE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU SPECIFICALLY HAVE ABOUT WHAT HE'S PROPOSING. SO TONIGHT IN YOUR PACKET YOU WILL SEE. THE SITE MAPS. I'M SURE MOST OF YOU KNOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WHAT WE IN TAROT LIKE TO CALL THE OLD GOLF COURSE PROPERTY. IT IS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF LOVERS LANE AND COLQUITT. WE RECEIVED AN APPLICATION. WE HAVE AN APPLICANT WHO IS INTERESTED IN DOING SINGLE FAMILY. IN YOUR PACKET IS A DRAFT OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. A CONCEPT PLAN WOULD NOT BE DUE UNTIL 60 DAYS PRIOR TO ANY CONSTRUCTION PLATS, AND THEN THOSE WOULD COME FORWARD. SO WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO DO WAS JUST GET THE THE OUTLINE OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN ON THIS PROPERTY. AND HE'LL BE HERE TO EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT HE HAS. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE HERE WHO HAVE TURNED IN ITEMS TO SPEAK. WHENEVER THE PACKETS WERE RELEASED. WE HAD TWO LETTERS RECEIVED IN THE OFFICE, BOTH IN OPPOSITION TO THE ZONE CHANGE REQUEST. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ONE THING THAT I DID WANT TO LET YOU KNOW IS CURRENTLY IT IS ZONED AGRICULTURE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, IT DOES SAY PARK AND RECREATION. SO THE MAYOR LAUGHED WHEN I SAID THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS NEUTRAL BECAUSE WE CAN'T NECESSARILY RECOMMEND A PARK OR ANYTHING, BUT THAT YOU ARE SURROUNDED BY NEW TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALSO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. SO CLEARLY THIS WAS MARKED BACK IN 2019 AS A POTENTIAL PARK OR RECREATION AREA. AND WE ASSUME THAT THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE CURRENT USE OF THE PROPERTY. AND THAT'S ALL THE TECHNICAL THINGS THAT I HAVE. AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL APPLICATION REVIEW. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, AND IF NOT, I WILL INTRODUCE MR. RUSSELL. YEAH. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. SO LIKE YOU SAID, IT WAS MARKED THAT. BUT THE ACTUAL ZONING IS AGRICULTURE. 
          AGRICULTURE. YES, MA'AM. SO MAKE SURE BECAUSE THAT WAS A LITTLE THREW ME OFF A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. NO, IT'S MAINTAINED AN AGRICULTURAL ZONING THE ENTIRE TIME. AND FUTURE LAND USE WAS PARK AND RECREATION. YES. THAT IS THE FUTURE LAND USE. AND YOU MENTIONED THE CONCEPT PLAN. COULD YOU EXPLAIN? YOU SAID WHEN YOU SAID THERE'S AN OPTION IN OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND ALSO IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A CONCEPT PLAN FILED WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE WHEN IT IS APPROVED. SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. AND THEN BASED ON THE STANDARDS THAT YOU APPROVED TONIGHT, THEN THERE WOULD BE A CONCEPT PLAN DRAWN UP. I THINK WE DID THIS A FEW MONTHS AGO WITH SOME OF THE PD OUT AROUND I-20. IT'S SO THE DEVELOPER CAN GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY CAN BUILD THERE. AND THEN WITH THOSE GUIDELINES, THEN THEY WOULD COME BACK AND PRESENT THEIR CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH WOULD GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF PNC AND CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE THEN THAT ORDINANCE WOULD BE UPDATED WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. I MEANT THE TIMING. YOU 60 DAYS, 60 DAYS PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION PLAT. OKAY. SO WHEN WHEN THEY START THEIR DESIGN WORK IS WHEN THE CONCEPT PLAN WOULD COME BACK FORWARD, RIGHT. AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE APPROVING IS JUST A ZONE CHANGE. YES, MA'AM. NOT ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT WHAT? THEY WILL HAVE TO BRING ALL THAT BACK TO US BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING. ABSOLUTELY. YES, MA'AM. BEFORE WE BRING THE DEVELOPERS, IF YOU DON'T MIND, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. LET ME JUST HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'D LOVE TO TALK TO THE DEVELOPERS. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. SORRY. THE. SO THIS IS NOT THIS IS NOT THIS IS NOT A BLANK CHECK THAT THEY CAN THE DEVELOPER CAN PRETTY MUCH RIGHT IN WHAT THEY WANT. THERE'S THERE'S STANDARDS TO THIS. YES. SO IN YOUR PACKET WHERE THE ACTUAL STANDARDS. SO THE BASE ZONING IS GOING TO BE SINGLE FAMILY SIX. AND SO THAT'S YOUR 6000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT WAS ADDRESSED IN THE STANDARDS. AND CHAIRMAN, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, THE DEVELOPER PORTION OF THIS IS PRESENTING THE THE DEVELOPMENT TO YOU. OKAY. AND SO IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR HIM TO GO AHEAD AND COME UP AND ALLOW 
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Y'ALL TO HAVE THESE QUESTIONS. AND THEN WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THAT WAY WE WANT TO ANSWER AS MANY QUESTIONS AS WE CAN, ESPECIALLY TO THE PUBLIC. SO I'M SORRY. BACK TO YOUR QUESTION. THE REAR YARD SETBACKS, ALL OF THAT ARE BASED ON SINGLE FAMILY SIX. YOU'LL NOTICE THAT HE IS ASKING FOR SOME RESIDENTIALS TO BE TOWNHOMES AS KIND OF A BUFFER AREA BETWEEN THE EXISTING MULTIFAMILY AND DUPLEXES THAT ARE THERE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. AND SO THOSE WOULD BE THE 33,675 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, ESSENTIALLY ZERO LOT LINE PROPERTIES THERE. OPEN SPACE INCLUDES WALKING TRAILS, A FISHING DOCK, THERE IS POSSIBLY TWO WATER FEATURES. AND IN THE GUIDELINES WE WE WERE SURE TO ADD THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE THERE TREES AT LEAST THREE INCHES IN CALIBER, WHICH IS ABOVE AND BEYOND OUR CURRENT ZONING. AND THEN THE CHARACTER ELEVATIONS YOU HAVE THE MASONRY MATERIAL WE ALSO PUT IN THERE THAT THERE WOULD BE BUILDING ELEVATIONS WOULD BE PERMITTED TO REPEAT EVERY FOUR LOTS. SO YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT HOUSING OPTIONS WITH THE PLANS. SO WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IS JUST WHAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE STANDARD SF6. RIGHT. AND AGAIN, FOR CLARIFICATION, THE WE ARE JUST APPROVING FOR THE ZONE CHANGE. YES, MA'AM. SO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN WHEN THEY BRING IT BACK TO US, THEY CAN MAKE CHANGES AS LONG AS THEY'RE WITHIN THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE. SO WE'RE THEY'RE NOT INTO ANYTHING JUST RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST WE'RE CHANGING IT SO THAT THEY CAN CONSIDER WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. AND FROM THIS POINT, BECAUSE I KNOW OTHER PEOPLE WERE SOME CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, BUT SAY A YEAR PASSES OR A COUPLE YEARS AND THEN MAYBE THEY SELL IT TO SOMEONE ELSE. IF SOMEONE ELSE COMES AND WANT TO CHANGE IT TO SOMETHING THAT THAT'S POSSIBLE, WE'RE NOT LOCKED INTO ANYTHING. THIS IS JUST STRICTLY CHANGING THE ZONE FROM AGRICULTURAL NOW, SO THAT THEY CAN CONSIDER HAVING SINGLE FAMILY RIGHT THERE. SO THE ZONING WOULD STAY WITH THE PROPERTY, EVEN IF THERE WAS A BRAND NEW PROPERTY OWNER AND THEY WOULD BE, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BRING YOU A CONCEPT PLAN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THESE STANDARDS OR REZONE. YES, MA'AM. 
          SO RANDOM QUESTION, MAYBE WE CAN KEEP THIS FOR LATER. BUT SINCE WE'RE GETTING STARTED, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WHENEVER YOU DO A PD OR AN SOP, THAT IS THAT'S AN EXCEPTION IN SOME SCENARIO. RIGHT? SO CLEARLY THIS PARTICULAR CLIENT IS DEVELOPER IS ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION BEYOND NORMAL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT WE DON'T HAVE A CONCEPT PLAN BECAUSE ONCE THIS BECAUSE IT'S A PD AND BECAUSE WE ONCE WE APPROVE IT WITHOUT SEEING WHAT THE IDEA IS LIKE, WHAT HAPPENS WITH REGARD TO SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, DEPENDING ON IT, MAY OR MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WE WANT BECAUSE IT'S AN EXCEPTION TO THE NORM. SO WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR THAT? OR IS THERE NO PROCESS. SO I, I THINK THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CONCEPT PLANS CAN CHANGE, AND WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL NOT TO OVERSELL THE COMMISSION, THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE CITY IN GENERAL. SO THAT'S WHY WE STICK TO AND WE SAY IT ALL THE TIME CHECKING BOXES. SO THE CONCEPT PLAN IS VERY FLUID AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME BACK TO PNC. AND WHEN YOU SEE THAT CONCEPT PLAN IT, IT MEETS THESE SETBACKS. IT MEETS THESE REQUIREMENTS. HOWEVER, JUST WHEN YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER WHO'S, YOU KNOW, IS INTERESTED IN A LOT WITH A LOT OF HISTORY, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A A NEW LOCATION, YOU KNOW, HE JUST HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT HE WAS PROPOSING COULD BE A POSSIBLE ZONE CHANGE IN THIS AREA. AND LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT BECAUSE I'M NOT HERE. I'M NOT HERE TO SELL YOU ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. BUT I DO THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU HEAR FROM THEM IN THEIR INTENT. HOWEVER, JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT WHAT WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING IS THE TECHNICAL. I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS IS THE CORRECT TIME TO ASK THIS QUESTION, BUT IS THERE? I'M SURE THAT THIS IS IN LINE WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE ROADWAY PLANS. FUTURE PLANS, AS ARE DID A STUDY OF ANY SORT TO ADDRESS THE ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT COLQUITT ROAD, WHERE THERE'S A THERE'S A SCHOOL ZONE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET HERE, CITY PARKS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET, AND THEN HIGHWAY 2055 AND THE 
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TWO LANE BRIDGE THERE, LOVER'S LANE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A TWO WAY STREET AND. THE BODY LINE CURRENTLY AND OUR HISTORICAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS GRIFFITH AVENUE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS A DRAW FOR VISITORS AND WITH WITH IF, IF THIS WERE TO DEVELOP INTO 130 OR WHATEVER, HOME WOULD BE TWO CARS PER HOME. AND SO WE HAVE TRAFFIC GOING. SO IF, IF PEOPLE COME AND SEE OUR HISTORICAL DISTRICT AND CAN'T SLOW DOWN ENOUGH AND DODGE THE TRAFFIC ENOUGH TO ENJOY THE FABULOUS THE TREES OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST WONDERING, HAS THERE BEEN A STUDY DONE? SO ALWAYS THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION PLAT PROCESS, WHENEVER WE HAVE CIVIL BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION PLAT, IT CAN BE TURNED IN. PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IS THAT WE ARE REQUIRING THE OWNER DEVELOPER AT THE TIME TO DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. AND SO BASED ON THE INFORMATION FROM THAT ANALYSIS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS OR THE CITY WOULD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE THOROUGHFARE. SO FIRST THING WE DO IS WE OVERLAY OUR EXISTING THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND LET THEM KNOW IF RIGHT AWAY WE NEED SOME RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION. AND THEN THE SECOND THING THAT HAPPENS IS THE TIA, WHICH IS ALSO REQUIRED PRIOR TO A CONSTRUCTION PLAT, JUST SO WE CAN ADDRESS THE THE TRANSPORTATION AND MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS OR SUGGESTIONS FOR OTHER ROADWAYS. AND HAS THE DEVELOPER ALREADY BEEN CHOSEN? DO WE KNOW WHO THE DEVELOPER IS? THE DEVELOPER IS THE APPLICANT OKAY. AND ALSO THE CONTRACT FOR OWNER OKAY. YOU SAID DEVELOPERS HERE, CORRECT? YES. YES. AND COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH. THIS IS RUSSELL PHILLIPS. HE IS THE APPLICANT FOR THE ZONE CHANGE. AND THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE YOU AND TALK ABOUT THIS PROPERTY. 
          BECAUSE I'M A LITTLE ANTSY BACK THERE BECAUSE I'M EXCITED TO WORK ON IT. BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY HERE. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT WHEN I'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I'VE TALKED TO IN THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE GROWN UP HERE AND HAVE SEEN IT AS A GOLF COURSE, PLAYED GOLF ON IT, MAY HAVE GONE TO THE CLUBHOUSE, STAYED THERE AND, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BY THE POOL AND THAT TYPE OF THING. I, I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS. I'M FROM A SMALL TOWN OF 5000 PEOPLE. AND WHEN I GO BACK NOW, 40 YEARS LATER, IT'S DIFFERENT. SO IT'S HARD TO ACCEPT. SO I REALIZE AND I WANT TO TELL YOU, I REALIZE THERE'S A GREAT RESPONSIBILITY TO DEVELOP IT OUT IN A IN A MANNER THAT HOPEFULLY IS ACCEPTABLE TO ALL OF YOU. OKAY. TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MYSELF, I'M MORE OF A LOCAL DEVELOPER ON THE EAST SIDE OF DALLAS. I LIVE IN THE ROCKWALL AREA. I DID TREND TOWER THERE AT IN ROCKWALL, HARBOR HILL, A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT THERE, AND I'VE DONE A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY PROJECTS. KINGSBRIDGE RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD, AS YOU'RE GOING OFF OF 205 MIRA VISTA, SONOMA VERDE. PROVIDENCE, A LOT OF JUST A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS. AND I'VE BEEN DOING THAT NOW FOR ABOUT 27 YEARS. AND A HOME BUILDER BEFORE THAT. IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT MY PROJECTS, I THINK YOU'LL SEE THEY USUALLY HAVE GREAT ENTRIES, GREAT AMENITIES AND THAT TYPE OF THING TOO. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT. WHEN I CAME TO THE CITY AND TOLD THEM THAT I WAS INTERESTED IN THIS PROPERTY AND MY VISION, BECAUSE IF WE COULD, CAN WE PUT THE ONE UP HERE THAT HAS THE ZONING AROUND THE PROPERTY? OKAY. RIGHT THERE. I DON'T THINK Y'ALL CAN SEE THIS FROM THERE. SO FORGIVE ME. OH IT DOES OKAY, SO WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS DOES IT WORK ON THAT SURFACE. IF YOU LOOK ACROSS THE ROAD ALMOST ALL OF IT IS MULTIFAMILY ZONING AND SOME OLDER. SO I'M NOT DOWNING ANY OF IT. IT IS THOUGH AN ISSUE WHEN YOU'RE WANTING TO GO IN AND DEVELOP SOMETHING AND KIND OF YOU'RE WANTING TO DO SOMETHING NEW, YOU HAVE TO TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION. SO THE SAME THING IS, BY THE WAY, SOME GREAT NEW HOMES RIGHT THERE ON LUBBERS. YES, RIGHT THERE. AND THEN ALSO SOME OLDER HOMES AROUND AS WELL. OKAY. ALL OF THEM ARE IMPORTANT. SO I WANTED TO TELL YOU IT WASN'T. WE JUST ASKED FOR THIS. I STARTED WORKING WITH THE CITY AND THEY TOLD ME, HE SAID, LOOK, WE REALLY DON'T WANT ANY MORE MULTIFAMILY BECAUSE I WAS THINKING, MAYBE WE DO SOME MULTIFAMILY AND THEN WE TRANSFER AND GO TO SINGLE FAMILY AND SAID THAT EVIDENTLY Y'ALL HAD TO APPROVE A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY HERE RECENTLY. SO I SAID, OKAY, LET'S TRY SOMETHING 
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DIFFERENT. AND I KNOW THAT THE ZONING SAYS TOWNHOME ZERO LOT LINE, BUT IT'S NOT TOWNHOMES. I AGREED TO ACTUALLY GO IN AND DO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. ZERO LOT LINE THERE, SMALLER LOTS. BUT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE MULTIFAMILY SECTION THERE. OKAY, SO IT MAY NOT BE COMPLETED, BUT I'M HAPPY TO WALK THROUGH WHAT I'M REALLY WANTING TO DO BECAUSE WITH THE HELP OF THE CITY AND ALSO THE COUNCIL MEMBER, I MET WITH HIM, PHIL, I THINK THIS IS HIS AREA AND HE HAD A LOT OF INPUT AS WELL TOO. AND I I'VE TRIED TO INCORPORATE ALL OF IT. SO. SO HOW DO WE PROGRESS TO THE MORE EXPENSIVE HOMES ON THAT SECTION OVER THERE. SO WE DID A SMALLER LOT SIZE ACROSS FROM THE MULTIFAMILY. AND THEN AS WE MOVED FURTHER AWAY, THEN IT WOULD BE THE LARGER LOT SIZE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THERE. OKAY. SO IN LOOKING AT THAT, IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT PIECE IN THAT TRANSITION. BUT I LET ME TELL YOU SOME OTHER ELEMENTS THAT WE WOULD BE PUTTING INTO IT BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE PACKET HERE. 
          OKAY. ONE IS WE WANT TO SAVE AS MANY TREES AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO SAVE THEM ALL. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT, BUT I I'M FROM SOUTH LOUISIANA ORIGINALLY. I MOVED HERE 40 YEARS AGO. THE NUMBER ONE THING I MISS THE MOST OF THE TREES, SO THERE'S SOME GREAT ONES THERE. WE PLAN TO SAVE THEM AND THERE WILL BE SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN WHEN WE COME FORWARD WITH YOU ON THE ONES WE'RE SAVING. THE OTHER THING IS THE LARGE LAKE THAT'S THERE. 
          WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT AS A FEATURE FOR THE COMMUNITY. I ALSO AGREE, ONE OF THE THE COUNCIL MEMBER HAD ASKED ABOUT MAYBE HAVING A DOCK THERE WHERE PEOPLE COULD, YOU KNOW OF THE COMMUNITY, BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE LAKE AND THAT KIND OF STUFF AND BE AROUND IT. WE PLAN TO DO THAT, BUT UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF EXPENSE RIGHT NOW THAT WE'VE GOT TO DO TO PREPARE THE SITE JUST FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT. SO, FOR INSTANCE, THE OLD BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE, I'VE GONE THROUGH THEM. THEY'RE CANNOT BE USED. SO WE NEED TO TEAR DOWN NOT ONLY THAT BUILDING WHERE THE OLD CLUBHOUSE WAS, ALL OF THE PARKING AREAS, ALL OF THE PATHS AND CART PATHS THAT WENT THROUGH THE PROPERTY. ALSO, WHERE WE HAVE THE CART STORAGE, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT A TEN ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FOOT METAL BUILDING. WE'LL BE TAKING THAT COMPLETELY OUT. OKAY, SO THEN AS YOU LOOK AT THE BIGGER LOTS TO THE RIGHT OVER THERE, THERE'S A SMALL LITTLE POND RIGHT THERE. AND AGAIN, I WISH I COULD SHOW IT UP. MAYBE I CAN CAN I DO IT ON THIS. SORRY. SO YES. RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU. WHOEVER'S DOING THAT. OH I WONDER BECAUSE I'M DOING YOU'RE NOT DOING IT. I'M NOT DOING THIS GREAT JOB. WHAT WE PLAN TO DO IS TRANSITION. FIRST OF ALL, THEIR HOME IS VERY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE. AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE THE HOMES RIGHT THERE IN MY FRONT YARD AS YOU'RE COMING IN, THAT KIND OF THING. SO WHAT WE WOULD PLAN TO DO IS KEEP THAT SMALL LITTLE POND OR IF WE NEED TO, BECAUSE THERE IS ALSO A DRAINAGE AREA RIGHT THERE. WE WOULD EVEN MOVE IT SLIGHTLY TO GET THERE. BUT WE INTEND TO DO IS BASICALLY ALL THE WAY UP INTO THE MIDDLE OF THAT HOME TO THE VERY, AT THE VERY LEAST, HAVE IT WHERE IT HAS A FOUNTAIN FEATURE AND ALSO GREENERY AND SHRUBS AND STUFF LIKE THAT TO SOFTEN THAT AS YOU GO INTO DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREAS DEVELOPED. SO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PRODUCTS, ONE THAT WILL THEN THERE'LL BE TWO DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, BY THE WAY, OKAY. THERE'LL BE SEPARATE. AND SO WE'LL HAVE TRAILS AROUND THE LAKE AND THROUGH THE PROPERTIES AND SIDEWALKS AS WELL. THAT WILL GO THROUGH THE PROPERTIES FOR EACH DIFFERENT USE. OKAY. FOR THE LOT SIZES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A BACKGROUND ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, HOW WE'RE COMING TO TRYING TO FIGURE HOW TO MAKE IT WORK. NOW, IF THERE'S ANY CONCERN ABOUT PRICING OR WHAT HAVE YOU, WHICH IT WOULD BE, IF I'M YOUR SHOES, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD? SO HERE'S WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS RIGHT NOW, I TOOK ALL OF THE PERMITS FOR THE CITY OF TERRELL LAST YEAR. THERE WAS 141 WAS AT A 500,000 RATE, FIVE WERE AT 300,000 OR OVER. ABOUT 47 WAS IN THE 200,000 PRICE RANGE FOR COST OF DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN THE REST WERE A HUNDRED BELOW 200,000. SO I WILL TELL YOU THAT I WILL 
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BE TRYING TO RAISE THE BAR ON THE HOME PRICES IN THE AREA. THAT AVERAGE PRICE, BY THE WAY, WAS 200. FORGIVE ME, $267,000 AVERAGE PRICE. SO THE THE SMALLEST PRODUCT THAT WE WOULD HAVE THERE WOULD BE HIGHER THAN THAT PRICE CONSIDERABLY. OKAY. AND I JUST WANTED YOU TO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO RAISE THE BAR AND DO THAT. NOWADAYS, THE SECOND LEVEL LOT SIZE THAT JUST A LOT ALONE WOULD COST 100 TO $125,000 EACH. JUST THAT. SO YOU PUT A 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE ON TOP OF IT WITH THE COSTS THAT ARE TODAY. THAT'S 4 TO $500,000 MEANT. ABSOLUTELY. 
          I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, THE 125, YOUR SOFT COST ON TOP. AND THEN THE PROFIT BUILDER WOULD PUT IN THE COST OF IT, EVEN IF IT'S LET'S SAY IT'S EVEN 150 BUCKS A FOOT, THAT'S STILL $450,000. I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU, MISTER. NO. PRITCHARD. RIGHT. RUSSELL PHILLIPS. RUSSELL. 
          PHILLIPS. YES, MA'AM. OKAY, I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT I KNOW RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE ZONE CHANGE. CORRECT. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING ALL THIS BACK TO US AT ANOTHER TIME WHEN YOU GET THE DETAILS AND EVERYTHING. SO I'M. I'M JUST NOT TO BELABOR THE POINT, BUT, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT YOU YOU WANT TO YOU'RE EXCITED ABOUT AND YOU WANT TO TELL US EVERYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT MAY CHANGE. AND SO, I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST WOULD SAY, COMMISSIONER, CAN WE GET THAT FOR THE NEXT TIME WHEN WE'RE BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW THE PRICES. WE DON'T NEED ALL THAT RIGHT NOW JUST TO DO THE, THE, THE OKAY. WELL I, I JUST, I JUST WANTED AND ALSO FOR PEOPLE HERE TOO THAT IT MAY BE BY THEIR HOME OR WHAT HAVE YOU. I WANTED TO KNOW AS WELL THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO DOING A VERY, VERY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO ANYWAY, ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE LET ME KNOW. HERE YOU HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AND I FIND MYSELF THINKING CLEARLY. YOU'VE THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT IT. I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE SEEN A CONCEPT PLAN AS WELL, BUT THEY COULD HAVE HAD IT, AND WE COULD HAVE HAD IT AS PART OF THE AS A AS AN ANECDOTAL CONVERSATION. MY QUESTION, THOUGH, I KNOW THERE'S SOME CONCERN ABOUT DENSITY WHEN I SEE SF FIVE AND TOWNHOMES, I THINK I IT CAUSES ME PAUSE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA GIVEN WHAT THE STREETS LOOK LIKE. AND WHEN I LOOK IN TERMS OF CONTEXT, EVERYTHING SURROUNDING IT IS SF 7.5. SO MY QUESTION IS WHY ARE WE NOT DOING SF 7.5 TO MATCH THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WELL, ACTUALLY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN MY OPINION. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE ON THAT SIDE, BUT EVERYTHING ACROSS WELL AND JUST EVERYTHING ACROSS THE STREET, EVERYTHING IS MULTIFAMILY. IF YOU GO DOWN THROUGH, WELL, I'M SORRY, IT SAYS MULTIFAMILY ZONE. FORGIVE ME BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE SOME ON THE EDGE OVER THERE. 
          YEAH. THERE'S SOME. IS IT THE ONES FURTHER THIS WAY. HALF ACRE LOTS. OKAY OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. FORGIVE ME. I SAW MF MULTIFAMILY ON THERE THAT WAS GOING ALL THE WAY TO THAT AREA. SO. BUT I DO KNOW JUST BESIDE YOU IT STARTS AND COMES ALL THE WAY TO THIS CORNER. SO WE HAVE I WANT YOU TO KNOW WE ARE TAKING THAT CONSIDERATION AND THAT IN GOING ALL THE REST OF THE WAY OVER, WE'RE DOING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. IT'S A IT'S A ZERO LOT LINE, BUT IT'S STILL SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. IT'S NOT TOWNHOMES. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY REALIZES I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IN CONTEXT, WHEN I LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I SEE SF 7.5 EVERYWHERE AROUND IT. AND SO MY QUESTION IS, WHY ARE WE NOT MATCHING THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND IT AND DOING SF 7.5? WE CAN STILL DO TOWNHOMES, BUT THE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, WHY ARE THEY NOT? WHY DID WE NOT CONSIDER SF 7.5? WHAT'S THE THOUGHT BEHIND THAT VERSUS LIKE I SEE HERE, I SEE SF FIVE, WHICH IS A SMALLER LOT, AND 7.5, WHICH IS INDICATIVE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD OF THAT SIDE OF TOWN. AND SO THAT'S MY QUESTION. I UNDERSTAND PART OF IT HAS TO DO WITH COST AS WELL TO DEVELOP. I MEAN, I'VE GOT TO GO CLEAN THIS PIECE UP AND SPEND A LOT OF MONEY AND TRYING TO GET IT TO WORK. I WILL TELL YOU THAT I FELT LIKE GOING FROM A TWO STORY MULTIFAMILY PROJECT, STARTING WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, NOT DOING TOWNHOMES OR ANYTHING ELSE, AND THEN TRANSITIONING TO A LITTLE BIT LARGER LOT SIZE BEFORE IT HITS. THERE IS A I MEAN, IN ORDER FOR IT TO WORK. THAT'S WHY I PROPOSED IT. NOW, WHAT I LOVE TO DO, LISTEN, IF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY HAS SINGLE FAMILY ALL THE WAY AROUND IT, I WOULDN'T BE ASKING. TRULY I WOULD DO I DO A LOT OF ONE ACRE LOT DEVELOPMENTS. THEY'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL, BUT ALL OTHER DEVELOPMENTS HAVE BEEN VERY WELL DONE. WELL TOO, AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SEE FOR HERE. 
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BUT IT ALSO HAS TO WORK. SO SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS IF THERE WAS NOT MULTIFAMILY ACROSS THE STREET, YOU WOULD HAVE THAT WOULD HAVE CHANGED THINGS AND YOU WOULD. ABSOLUTELY. IT WOULD. 
          WHY? BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, THE PIECE ITSELF IS GORGEOUS. BUT WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT IS SO. 
          MA'AM, I'M SORRY. I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE MULTIFAMILY ACROSS THE STREET CHANGES THE CONTEXT OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. GREAT. HOW IT IMPACTS YOUR. WELL, I KNOW, PLEASE, FIRST OF ALL, IF I HAVE A HOME THAT'S $500,000, DO YOU WANT TO BUILD IT AND TAKE THE CHANCE OF VALUE WHEN IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU? OH, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE TOWNHOME PIECES. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SF FIVE. OKAY. IS THERE TWO THERE? THERE ARE NO TOWNHOMES THERE. TWO PARCELS RIGHT THERE, NO TOWNHOMES, HE SAID. THERE'S NO TOWNHOMES, NO TOWNHOMES, SINGLE FAMILY, ZERO LOT. AND I'M SORRY. THAT'S WHAT I THINK HAS BEEN. MAYBE THAT'S WHAT I'M CONFUSED BY. SO WHAT'S THE SO WE'RE DOING ZERO LOT LINE SINGLE FAMILY. BUT IT'S LISTED. IT'S LISTED AS TOWNHOMES IN THE NARRATIVE. YES. AND BY THE WAY TOWNHOMES IN THE NARRATIVE THAT'S THERE. THAT'S HOW IT'S LISTED. LISTED IT IT CALLS. AND THAT'S WHY I WAS I'M GLAD IT CAME UP EARLIER BECAUSE IT'S NOT TOWNHOMES IN THAT ZONING. IT SAYS TOWNHOMES ZERO LOT LINE. AND ONE OTHER THING TWO PATIO HOMES. AND SO PATIO HOME. AND SO IN ESSENCE THAT'S WHY IT'S GOING TO BE SINGLE FAMILY NOT TOWNHOMES. SO I'M I'M MAKING A BIG JUMP GOING FROM THE MULTIFAMILY ACROSS THE STREET TO A TRUE SINGLE FAMILY. I'M NOT DOING TOWNHOMES AND I'M SORRY THAT'S IN THE WRITE UP. WE PROBABLY NEED IT IS IN THE WRITE UP. THAT'S WHY I'M CONFUSED. OKAY, SO DOES ZONING USE IS OKAY I UNDERSTAND. BUT AGAIN WE HAVE TO HAVE THE WE JUST WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE UNDERSTANDING. YEAH. THAT'S WHY WE USED IT COMMISSIONER. YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT HE HE THE DEVELOPER JUST MENTIONED THERE WAS GOING TO BE JUST STRICTLY SINGLE FAMILY. YES, SIR. OKAY. THAT'S IT. NO. NO MULTIFAMILY AT ALL. OKAY. SO IS IT ALL COTTAGE HOMES? NO, ACTUALLY. SO IT WILL BE ONE SECTION WILL BE THE ZERO LOT LINE AND THEN THE OTHER GOES UP TO A 6000 SQUARE FOOT. SO THAT'S MY QUESTION IS REALLY? YES, MA'AM. THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT. BECAUSE THAT'S SF FIVE Y IN THE SF FIVE, DID YOU NOT? BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE MULTI MULTIPLE PIECES. 
          RIGHT. LIKE I GET THAT. THAT'S TOTALLY FINE. OKAY. BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS THEN WE GO TO SINGLE FAMILY. BUT INSTEAD OF MATCHING AND I'M NOT TALKING ZERO LOT LINES AND COTTAGES, I'M TALKING JUST LOTS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE MAP IN THE CONTEXT AND I LOOK IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, TO BE FAIR TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT'S THERE, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE DIDN'T GO TO, WHY WE DIDN'T CONSIDER 7.5 IN LIEU OF FIVE. OKAY. IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I MEAN, I'M I WANT TO I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT UP. YEAH. SO HERE'S THE THING. I'M TRANSFERRING BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THE LOT PRICE THAT I'M GOING TO BE SELLING AT DETERMINES THE OVERALL END PRICE OF THE HOME. SO FOR ME TO BUILD THE OLDER COMMUNITY. SO FOR INSTANCE, LET'S TAKE THE COMMUNITY BEHIND THE ONES THAT ARE FORGIVE ME, I REMEMBER I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAMES CARL LEE AND ANOTHER ONE. OKAY. BY THE WAY, NICE COMMUNITY. I'M NOT KNOCKING THAT AT ALL. BUT I PULLED UP AND YOU'VE GOT AVERAGE SALES PRICE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. THERE WAS THREE HOMES AND IT WAS $366,333. OKAY, SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO JUST EXPRESS IS I'VE GOT TO DELIVER SOMETHING IN THAT. I'M TRYING TO HIT THAT PRICE POINT AND EVEN HIGHER, BUT I CAN'T GO IN AND DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE WAY HIGHER BECAUSE IT'S VERY RISKY. AND I'M JUST BEING HONEST. IT'S EXTREMELY RISKY TO DO. YEAH, BECAUSE IF YOU DO A LARGER LOT, YOU DO A LARGER HOME. IT'S ACTUALLY YES, MA'AM. YOU COULD SELL IT FOR MORE. 
          YOUR CONCERN IN THE IF WE'RE TALKING CANDIDLY IS THAT THE PRICE POINT IS IT IS WITHOUT A DOUBT I WANT TO RAISE THE BAR, BUT I'VE GOT TO KEEP IT WITHIN A REASONABLE, REALISTIC RATE. 
          AND. YES, MA'AM, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? SURE, YES. MAYBE IT'S JUST MY IGNORANCE, BUT HOW BIG OF A LOT IS 60 600FT? I MEAN, COMPARED TO AN ACRE? OH, WELL, YOU SEVERAL OF THEM IN THE IN THE ACRE. SO RIGHT NOW THESE LOTS WOULD BE, YOU'D BE ROUGHLY 50 BY 120. OKAY. THE HOUSES ON THERE WOULD START. THERE'S A MINIMUM IN HERE, BUT THEY WOULD PROBABLY AVERAGE SOMEWHERE AROUND 2200. I'M THINKING 2000 TO 2200. OKAY. MAYBE MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE. WHEN I PULLED UP THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON MOST OF THE HOUSES AROUND, THEY WEREN'T OVER THAT. OKAY. NOW THERE'S A THERE'S A FEW AT 3000. I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT, BUT 
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THAT'S I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. SURE. THE ONES THAT ARE SINGLE FAMILY, FAMILY 7.5. ARE THOSE LOTS GOING TO BE BIGGER THAN THOSE THE SAME OR SMALLER? SMALLER? MAYBE SMALLER? YEAH. 
          SO IT WAS TO TRANSITION IN LOT SIZE TO THEM. BUT IN THE END DELIVERING THE HOME PRICES THAT WOULD BE OF OR A LITTLE BIT HIGHER VALUE PRICE WISE. OKAY. BECAUSE THIS IS SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT THESE AND TALKING ABOUT THE 7.5 BACK IN THE TIME OF WHEN THESE WERE SOLD IN THE COST AND EVERYTHING COMPARED TO TODAY'S TIME AND COST, YOU KNOW, JUST BEING TRANSPARENT AND LIKE YOU SAID, UPFRONT ABOUT EVERYTHING, IF YOU GO BUILD THOSE TYPE OF HOMES NOW OVER THERE, THE COST WILL BE ASTRONOMICAL, NOT ASTRONOMICAL. IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE. AND FOR WHAT'S SELLING IN TARO RIGHT NOW, I'M LOOKING AT IN MY AREA IN MY DISTRICT WHERE WE HAVE SEVERAL HOUSES THAT THEY'RE AVERAGE. THEY'VE BEEN SITTING TWO AND THREE, FOUR. YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. AND I KNOW THAT'S WHY YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOU'VE DONE YOUR STUDY, YOU'VE DONE YOUR WORK. OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE STATED THAT, BUT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THE WHOLE AREA. AND WE GET THAT. AND I KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S COMING AND YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ALL OF US THAT LATER. BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE THE ZONING. 
          RIGHT. WE HAD A ENOUGH QUESTIONS AS IT IS. LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD IN REGARDS TO THIS. YES. ALRIGHT. AND I THE CONCEPT, ONCE EVERYTHING COMES UPON I KNOW WE IT STILL IS GOING TO COME BEFORE US. SO WE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS AT THAT TIME. OH ABSOLUTELY. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE SET IN DIRT. SO LET'S FOCUS ON THAT. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME SIR. THANK YOU SO MUCH I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. CAN WE GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE THE PUBLIC HEARING? ALL RIGHT. I GOT A FEW PARTICIPATION FROM HERE. I'M GOING TO CALL YOU UP. KEEP IN MIND, TAKE ABOUT ABOUT THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK YOUR MIND. LET US KNOW WHAT YOU WANT OR HOW YOU FEEL. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CALL YOU UP. AS I GOT THESE UP, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FIRST FROM JENNY. EXCUSE MY LAST. 
          YOUR LAST NAME? HAZEL. YES. ANY STATE YOUR ADDRESS. AND FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE. HELLO, I'M JENNY HAZEL, 302 LOVER'S LANE, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS. I HAVE A HALF ACRE LOT. I PAY TAXES, A LOT OF TAXES. MY NEIGHBOR THAT'S HERE PAYS A LOT OF TAXES. WE'RE ALL THE SURROUNDING AREA. THANK YOU, MISS CHENEY, FOR NOTICING THAT 7.5 IS WHAT IS ALL AROUND THE AREA. AND EVEN OVER ON HERITAGE AND FURTHER ON 7.5 IS ALL YOU SEE IN THIS AREA. AND I'M ASKING YOU ALL TO NOT CHANGE THE ZONING TO SF SIX. IS IT SIX SF SIX? BECAUSE THE SETBACKS AND THE LOT SIZE ARE MUCH, MUCH SMALLER. THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT I READ HAVE A TEN FOOT BACKYARD AND IT'S LOWER THAN THE SET. THE SF SIX ACTUALLY, AND IT'S FIVE FEET IN BETWEEN HOUSES. AND THAT IS THE MINIMUM STANDARD FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL TO GO, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SEVEN, I BELIEVE IN THE SIX. I DIDN'T MEMORIZE ALL THESE. WELL, THE FRONT YARD IS GOING TO BE 20FT SET BACK FROM THE ROAD INSTEAD OF 25. WHAT IS SF SIX REQUIREMENT? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY GAVE YOU THOSE COMPARISONS TO WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE LISTED NOW AND WHAT OUR ACTUAL ZONING SAYS, BUT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF EXCEPTIONS MADE IN GETTING IT TO THE SF SIX. SO YOUR CONCEPT PLAN WILL THEN TELL YOU ALL OF THAT. SO I'M JUST SAYING COULD WE PLEASE KEEP IT TO THE 7.5 IN THE HOMES ON THE END OF LOVER'S LANE THAT ARE ONE ACRES THEY SOLD FOR 550, THEY'RE 2500 AND THEY SOLD FOR 550. AND THEY'RE VERY NICE HOMES. AND THEN CARL LEE AND HAYNES, THOSE PEOPLE HAVE, YOU KNOW, INVESTED A LOT OF TIME AND TAX DOLLARS IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AND HAVE BIG, NICE HOMES AND SOME OF THEM FROM 2000 TO 3500 OR WHATEVER, SQUARE FOOT. THEY'RE ALSO THEIR LOT SIZES ARE MUCH BIGGER. 
          THESE LOT SIZES, YOU COULD FIT FOUR OF THOSE LOTS ON THE CARL LEE CORNER. IN THE END OF THE CUL DE SAC. YOU COULD PUT FOUR OF HIS LOTS ON ONE OF THOSE LOTS WHERE DEBBIE BANE LIVES OVER THERE. IF ANYBODY KNOWS HER ON THAT CORNER CUL DE SAC. SO ANYWAY, I'M JUST ASKING THE COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER ALL OF ALL OF THIS BEFORE CHANGING THE ZONING. THANK YOU MA'AM, THANK YOU. HILLARY. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS HILLARY HEISEL. I LIVE AT 818 FIRST 
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STREET. I AM ALSO ON THE PADDLE BOARD FOR THE CITY AND I'M ALSO THE DAUGHTER OF JENNY HEISEL. 
          THEY HAVE. MY PARENTS HAVE LIVED ACROSS THE STREET AT 302 LOVERS LANE FOR NEARLY 30 YEARS. 
          THAT IS THE HOUSE THAT I GREW UP IN AND STILL THE HOUSE I HAVE DINNER AT SEVERAL NIGHTS A WEEK. AND MR. PHILLIPS, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO HIM, IS MISLEADING YOU. HE SAYS THE MAJORITY OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY IS MULTI-FAMILY. THERE ARE TWO TWO PROPERTIES THAT ARE MULTIFAMILY. EVERYTHING ELSE IS 7.5. AND FRANKLY, I'M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED AS AN ATTORNEY WITH THE NOTICE THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THE NOTICE THAT WAS SENT OUT WAS FOR SF SIX ONLY. NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SF FIVE, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TOWNHOMES, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOT LINES. NOBODY KNOWS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND IF NOBODY KNOWS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED, THEN THEY DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE NOTICE TO COME SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE CONCERNS ON THEIR PROPERTY. SO THAT IS A HUGE CONCERN FOR ME AS A CITIZEN, THAT THERE IS NO CLARITY IN THIS PROCESS. FROM WHERE I'M STANDING FROM. I'M ASKING YOU TO VOTE AGAINST ANYTHING THAT IS NOT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD STANDARD, WHICH IS 7.5 FOR LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE. LEXINGTON, THE BREEDEN PROPERTY, HERITAGE, EVERYTHING AROUND THERE, 7.5. AND FRANKLY, I WOULD ASK YOU TO VOTE DOWN ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT IS HIGH DENSITY TO THIS LEVEL. WE ALL HAVE TRAVELED LOVER'S LANE. WE HAVE ALL TRAVELED. COLQUITT I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS KNOW THAT THAT BRIDGE ON COLQUITT, THAT GUARDRAIL GETS TAKEN OUT EVERY THREE MONTHS. I FEEL LIKE THESE ROADS ARE NARROW. THERE ARE BAR DITCHES. THERE IS NO KIND OF SHOULDER. THERE IS NO KIND OF LIKE THEY ARE VERY DANGEROUS ROADS. AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TO BE CONSERVATIVE, ANOTHER 400 CARS A DAY ON THESE ROADS, IT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. 
          AND SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO VOTE DOWN ANY HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. JOHN. OKAY. JAMIE IS IT START START. JOE. STURGILL. HI. SO OUR HOUSE IS THE VERY LEFT BOTTOM CORNER. WE HAVE AN ACRE AND A HALF. 1414 CARL LEE CIRCLE. OUR LAW ACTUALLY BACKS UP TO THE GOLF COURSE. WE SHARE THE LINE WITH THE GOLF COURSE. 
          WE'RE THE VERY LEFT BOTTOM HOUSE THERE. WE HAVE TWO HOUSES ON OUR HOUSE. WE HAVE OVER 3000FT■!S IN OUR MAIN HOUSE, AND WE HAVE ALMOST 2000. IN OUR POOL HOUSE. WE HAVE A DAUGHTER WITH AUTISM. WE BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY SO SHE COULD LIVE IN THE POOL HOUSE. SHE'S 28 AND SHE'LL NEVER MOVE AWAY FROM HOME, BUT SHE'S HIGH FUNCTIONING. SO THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO HOUSES, FULL SIZE HOUSES ON MY PROPERTY. YOU WERE ASKING WHAT 6000FT■!S IS? AN ACE IS 40,000FT. HALF ACRE IS 20,000FT, A QUARTER IS 10,000FT. SO SOME OF THE THINGS HE'S TALKING ABOUT, ZERO LOT LINES. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. THAT MEANS THAT THE LOT BETWEEN THE HOUSES IS 1 TO 5FT, WHICH MEANS YOU WILL NOT HAVE ROOM TO GROW IF YOU EVER WANT TO ADD ON TO YOUR HOUSE THOSE HOUSES, WHATEVER SIZE THEY ARE, THEY'RE STAYING THAT SIZE. THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO GET BIGGER. YOU NEVER ADD ON. THERE'S NO GROWTH IN EQUITY THERE. SECONDLY, FOR HIM, YES, THOSE MAXIMIZE LIVING SPACE AND REDUCE MAINTENANCE FOR HIM. BUT FOR US IT'S REDUCED PRIVACY. THERE'S NOISE ISSUES THAT COME WITH THAT. THERE'S LIMITED EXPANSION. AS I JUST SPOKE. THERE'S NO SIDE TO THE PROPERTY. SO YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE EASEMENTS FOR MAINTENANCE. A LOT OF THOSE EASEMENTS, LIKE WE HAVE AN EASEMENT IN OUR YARD, YOU KNOW, ALREADY TO GET BEHIND US, YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE MORE EASEMENTS. AND IT MAKES HOUSING USUALLY MORE AFFORDABLE, NOT HIGHER END. 6000FT■!S IS GOING O BE LIKE YOUR LENNAR'S YOUR DOCTOR HORTON'S. IT'S GOING TO BE YOUR STARTER HOMES. I WORK FOR PERRY AND I'M A LICENSED REALTOR. I'VE BEEN IN EVERY BUILDER KNOWN TO MAN IN THIS AREA IN INCLUDING KINGSBRIDGE AND SONOMA VERDE. YES, CASTLE ROCK, HIGHLAND, PERRY, THOSE ARE ALL REALLY GOOD HOUSES, BUT THOSE AREN'T PROBABLY THE HOUSES HE'S PUTTING THERE. AND I KNOW TODAY WE'RE JUST VOTING ON A ZONE CHANGE. BUT IN ORDER TO KNOW IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT ZONE CHANGE, YOU NEED TO KNOW WHY YOU'RE CHANGING IT AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU PAUSE THE VOTING ON THE ZONE CHANGE UNTIL THE COMMUNITY AND YOU GUYS CAN GET FURTHER INFORMATION AND AT LEAST SOME SPECS TO SEE IF YOU REALLY WANT THAT ZONE CHANGE. AND I AGREE WITH THE SIX WITH THE SIX. AND THEN IT WENT TO FIVE. I WOULDN'T WANT ANYTHING BELOW A75 BECAUSE LIKE SHE SAID, IF YOU GO ON LOVERS, THERE'S ALREADY A MAILBOX THERE ON THE NEW HOUSES AT POSTS AROUND IT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN KNOCKED DOWN. PEOPLE GET ALMOST RAN OVER ON THAT STREET ALL THE TIME. AND THAT GOLF COURSE, THE FENCE, IT'S BEEN TAKEN OUT 
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SEVERAL TIMES. THE BRIDGE HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT SEVERAL TIMES. AND ALSO OUR STREET FLOODS. 
          WE'RE AT THE BOTTOM OF CROWLEY AND I KNOW IT HAPPENS NEXT DOOR TO IT FLOODS BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE BOTTOM. THAT GOLF COURSE IS IN A FLOOD ZONE, THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT, WHICH MEANS HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD THAT UP. HE'S ALSO GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD UP THE ELEVATION FOR HIS FOUNDATIONS ON HIS HOUSE. WHEN HE DOES THAT, WHERE'S THAT WATER GOING TO GO? OUR YARD ALREADY FLOODS. THE EASEMENT NEXT TO IT. DOESN'T HOLD THAT. SO WHAT'S THAT GOING TO DO FOR OUR PROPERTIES WHEN IT FLOODS US? SO THOSE THINGS ARE I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. THAT WAS YOUR THREE MINUTES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. BEFORE LINDA, REAL QUICK, BEFORE WE GO FURTHER, I MAY HAVE MISSPOKEN BECAUSE I HEAR PEOPLE SAYING SF5, AND THAT MIGHT BE MY FAULT. 
          I IT'S SF6 IT. JUST FYI, LINDA. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO FILL OUT A FORM THAT WANTS US TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE I WILL JUST BRIEFLY. OKAY? I WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO SPEAK BEFORE WE CLOSE. YEAH. HOW'S IT GOING? THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. MY NAME IS GRAHAM BREEDEN. ADDRESS IS 796 DOVE LANDING RIGHT UP 205 AND HIGH POINT RANCH. SO MY FAMILY, WE OWN THE PARCEL OF LAND OFF 205 THROUGH BEANS CREEK LIMITED. MY GRANDMOTHER ALSO OWNS EVERYTHING TO THE SOUTH OF THIS, SO I CAN'T POINT OUT TO IT HERE. BUT THE BIG PARCEL RIGHT ABOVE THE RED LINE, ALL THAT FARMLAND AND PASTURE, THAT'S US. AND THEN TO THE SOUTH OF OAK GROVE, ALL THOSE TREES AND THE OPEN PASTURE IS US AS WELL AS A FAMILY. WE'RE JUST WE'RE OPPOSED TO THIS. WE HAVE INTEREST IN WORKING WITH THE CITY OF TERRELL TO EXPLORE ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS TO HIGH DENSITY HOUSING. WE'RE INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH THE CITY AS A FAMILY. AND, YOU KNOW, ON BEHALF OF BEANS CREEK LIMITED, WHICH IS THE ENTITY THAT THE PROPERTY IS IN, WE WOULD ASK THAT Y'ALL VOTE NO TO THE ZONING CHANGE. KIND OF HOLD THE HORSES A LITTLE BIT. WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN. TERRELL, YOU HAVE NORTH SPUR OFF OF 80 RIGHT THERE. OF COURSE, WE ALL KNOW ABOUT TERRA NOVA. WE GOT SOME HOUSES OVER BY EULALIA BEHIND THAT ROAD AND THEN OVER BY THE HIGH SCHOOL IS EVEN SOME MORE HOUSES COMING IN. SO WE WOULD JUST ASK FOR Y'ALL TO VOTE NO ON THIS SPECIFIC ZONING CHANGE. KIND OF PUMP THE BRAKES A LITTLE BIT AS FAR AS THE HOUSING GOES AND KIND OF WAIT AND SEE. WE'RE ACTIVELY EXPLORING ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS WITH THE CITY ABOUT HOW THAT WHOLE BLOCK OF LAND, OURS, AS WELL AS OAK GROVE, COULD BE MAYBE BETTER DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE. SO THAT'S JUST WHAT I WANTED TO GIVE. I APPRECIATE IT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. OKAY. YOU SHOULD KEEP THE THREE MINUTES, SIR. YES, YES, MY NAME IS JAMIE. 
          I LIVE IN 316 RASH LANE. I'M NEW TO THE AREA. I'VE BEEN IN TERRELL FOR A YEAR. WE LOVE THE AREA. WE CAME FROM FORNEY. AND AS MANY PEOPLE KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S OVERPOPULATED, IT'S OVERGROWN. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T FIT ANYTHING IN THERE. AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT. I KNOW THE HISTORY. YOU KNOW, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. YOU KNOW, I WOULD. I'M OPPOSED TO THE ZONING CHANGE. I WOULD PREFER IT COULD BE DONE FOR THE COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, HEARING YOUR IDEA, I THINK THAT'D BE PRETTY GOOD. PARKS OR SOMETHING. I USED TO LIVE IN NORTH HOUSTON AREA. ATASCOSA, KINGWOOD. SIMILAR SITUATION WAS HAPPENING. GOLF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WAS, YOU KNOW, AND A LOT OF OPPOSITION, YOU KNOW, COULDN'T FIT TOO MUCH, YOU KNOW. AND THERE WERE SOME ALTERNATIVES. LAST I REMEMBER AFTER MOVING THERE CAME BACK, THEY WERE ABLE TO TURN IT INTO AN EVENT CENTER AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO A LOT OF IT WAS ABLE TO BE MAINTAINED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, MONEY AND ALL THAT STUFF. BUT AND LIKE HER, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE HUGE FLOODING. BUT ON RASH LANE THERE IS SOME FLOODING. YOU KNOW, I HAVE A I HAVE TO INVEST A LOT OF MONEY IN THE BACK BECAUSE THERE'S SOME FLOODING. SO THAT WHOLE AREA, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE SHOWED ME PICTURES ON ASHLAND CLOSE TO LOVER'S AS WELL. YOU KNOW, IT FLOODED PRETTY, YOU KNOW, PRETTY PRETTY SUBSTANTIALLY. I HAVE KIDS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT ANY MORE, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC. YOU KNOW, TERRANOVA'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. ALL THIS IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM I PREFER. YEAH, THAT CITY CAN FIND, YOU KNOW, AN ALTERNATIVE METHOD THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN REDUCE COSTS AND HELP OUT BETTER. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M OPPOSED FOR IT, AND I SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING DIFFERENT. THANK YOU SIR. WELCOME. OKAY. THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FIRST, 
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WOULD YOU MIND COMING BACK UP? ANY QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO KEEP IN MIND IT'S IT'S A ZONE CHANGE THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON TONIGHT. WE CAN'T TELL THEM TO FOCUS ON THE ZONE CHANGE AND TO COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT CONCEPT PLAN DIFFERENT DIFFERENT LAYOUTS IF YOU LIKE. 
          OKAY. WE'RE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR RAYLAN OR IN REGARDS TO THIS. ASK A QUICK QUESTION IN THE BACK THAT MENTIONED WAS WORKING WITH THE CITY AND TALKING ABOUT ALTERNATIVES, FOR INSTANCE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN COME IN AND SAY, I OPPOSE ONE DEVELOPMENT, BUT BUT I'M GOING TO DO ANOTHER, RIGHT. SO IN TERMS OF THAT CONVERSATION. WHAT DOES THE BIGGER PICTURE LOOK LIKE FOR THAT AREA, OR IS THERE A BIGGER PICTURE THERE. THERE IS NO DESCRIBED BIGGER PICTURE. NO THERE THERE'S BEEN NO DECISION MADE BY COUNCIL. YEAH. OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMISSIONERS. IF WE VOTE NO. COULD WE ASK NOT ASK. BUT COULD THEY ALSO COME BACK FOR A 7.5 ZONING. YOU I MEAN YEAH I MEAN ANYONE CAN COME BACK WITH AN APPLICATION. PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION COULD BE TO LOOK AT THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS PRESENTED. AND YOU COULD GIVE THEM AN OPTION, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE PD AND THE ZONING STAYS WITH THE PROPERTY ITSELF. SO IF YOU CHOSE, FOR EXAMPLE, TO GO WITH A STRAIGHT SF SIX OR A STRAIGHT SF FIVE, YOU CAN RECOMMEND THE ZONING FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY TO BE BASED ON THOSE STANDARDS. NOW THAT IS NOT WHAT THE APPLICANT ASKED FOR AND THAT IS NOT WHAT HE WOULD BUILD. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY. RIGHT? SO AND THERE'S NO POINT REALLY, BECAUSE ANYBODY CAN REZONE IN THE FUTURE. SO WHY WHY LIKE BECAUSE IT AGAIN THE THE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOWS THIS IS PARKS AND REC RECREATION. 
          GOOD BAD RIGHT WRONG OR INDIFFERENT. WE KNOW GROWTH IS COMING. WE KNOW IT'S WE WE KNOW IT'S HAPPENING. AND TO SOME DEGREE WE'RE EMBRACING IT. BUT WE ALSO WHEN IT SERVES US, WE WE HOLD TRUE TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW IN TERMS OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHEN IT WHEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT BENEFITS IT. WE DON'T ALWAYS HOLD TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHEN IT DOES THAT. AND PARKS AND RECREATION ARE ALWAYS THE FIRST THINGS TO GIVE. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MAKES SENSE TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MAKE A HEY, WE'LL DO. IT'S EITHER I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY TO THAT IS I DO BELIEVE IN 2019, IT WAS RECOGNIZED AS PARKS AND RECREATION BECAUSE OF ITS CURRENT USE. AND ALSO, KEEP IN MIND FOR IT TO CONTINUE AS PARKS AND RECREATION. THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A PURCHASE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE DEALING IN PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. YOU HAVE A PRIVATE OWNER AND PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THE PROPERTY. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A PRIVATE DEVELOPER THAT WILL EVER BRING YOU PARKS AND RECREATION. AND SO THAT THAT'S WHY THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS BASED ON NEUTRAL, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE CITY HAS NO PLANS OF MAKING THAT A PART. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. SO I JUST I JUST WANTED TO YEAH. NO, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT ANYTHING ELSE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER. 
          KEEP IN MIND LIKE I SAID, IT'S JUST A JUST A ZONING. WE GOT TO FOCUS ON THAT IN REGARDS TO THIS, TO WHAT WE DECIDE TONIGHT. OKAY. RIGHT. DO I HAVE A DO I HAVE A MOTION OR IN REGARDS TO THE PLANNING TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA TO PD 2631 68 CAN I AM I ALLOWED TO PROPOSE A PAUSE TO STUDY 7.5 OR IS IT WE'RE APPROVING OR NOT? WE'RE WE'RE JUST APPROVING WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO GO FROM AG TO TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT ON THIS. BUT CAN WE CAN WE ALSO MAKE A MOTION TO PAUSE AND IS IT IS IT BECAUSE HE'S WE'RE NOT HE DOESN'T WANT TO GO TO 7.5. HE JUST EITHER I MEAN WE'RE EITHER GOING TO DO THIS OR. WELL NOW I'M ASKING CAN WE CAN WE PROPOSE A MOTION? YOU COULD ABSOLUTELY TABLE THIS ITEM IN IN HOPES THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD COME BACK. BUT THIS IS WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING. AND I DON'T WANT TO ANSWER FOR HIM. BUT THIS WAS HIS PROPOSAL. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU WOULD BE DOING IS TABLING THE ITEM. SO AND YOU DO HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DO THAT. BUT THERE THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT 
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OUTCOME. YEAH. CORRECT. QUESTION FIVE. SO I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD I'D LIKE TO HEAR A MOTION. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE, ACCORDING TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO CHANGE THIS FROM AGRICULTURAL TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. OKAY. I HAVE AN APPROVAL TO APPROVE PD DASH S4 26, DASH 3168 BY COMMISSIONER ZAHN. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. I HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEBORAH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY. OKAY. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO A VERBAL COUNT. LET'S DO A VERBAL COUNT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO START WITH COMMISSIONER DANIEL THERE, SIR. YES, SIR. YAY YAY NAY NAY. OKAY. 
          MR. ZAHN. YES. YAY. OKAY, COMMISSIONER KIMBERLY, AT THIS TIME, I DO NOT SEE A PURPOSE OF 7.65. SO I'M GOING TO SAY NAY, NAY, NAY. OKAY. RIGHT. COMMISSIONER STEPHANIE. NAY, NAY. COMMISSIONER. DEBORAH. YAY! YEAH. OKAY. COMMISSIONER. STEPHANIE OR SUSAN. I'M SORRY. 
          NAY, NAY. OKAY. IF I'M CORRECT, I GOT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FOUR NAYS. AND TWO YAYS, AM I CORRECT? 31 TWO ONLY GOT TWO, TWO YAYS. YEAH. TWO YEARS. DID YOU DID YOU VOTE? NO, I HAVEN'T VOTED YET. I WAS JUST MAKING SURE I WAS GETTING MY NAME HERE. OKAY. AND MINE IS. YAY! SO WE GOT THREE 3 TO 4. SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S NOT GOING TO PASS TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU. OKAY COMMISSIONER WE HAVE A CONSENT AGENDA IF YOU HAVE TO 
          [8. CONSENT AGENDA]
TAKE A LOOK AT IT. WE GOT 8.1, 8.2 AND 8.3. I'D LIKE TO HEAR IF YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDS TO ANY OF THESE CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS ONE. 
          IF NOT I'D LIKE TO. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED 8.1 THROUGH 8.3. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA 8.18.3 AS LISTED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? NO. OKAY. MOTION CARRIES ON. CONSENT AGENDA 8.1 THROUGH 8.3. OKAY. LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING.
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