Dec 03, 2025 City Council

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PREPARE FOR OUR MEETING, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SILENCE YOUR MOBILE DEVICES. THIS TIME, THE

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

DONNA, WOULD YOU MIND LEADING US IN INVOCATION IF EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR OUR PLEDGES? HEAVENLY FATHER, IN THE NAME OF JESUS, YOU ARE HOLY, MIGHTY, EVERLASTING. GIVE US YOUR WISDOM, YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND YOUR UNDERSTANDING AS WE LISTEN AND NOT JUST HEAR. AS WE SERVE. BECAUSE THESE ARE YOUR PEOPLE. THIS IS YOUR CITY. CONTINUE TO BLESS US, CONTINUE TO BLESS US. IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. ALRIGHT, NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS.

[2. MAYOR AND COUNCIL COMMUNITY RECOGNITION AND EVENTS]

AND ALSO AS WE COME UP TO CHRISTMAS, WISHING EVERYBODY A SAFE AND MERRY CHRISTMAS. WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND RECOGNIZE TISD, THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM. VERY PROUD OF THE TEAM, THE COACHES, EVERYBODY INVOLVED, THE BAND, THE TIGERETTES CHEER, EVERYBODY WHO PARTICIPATED ON FRIDAY NIGHTS. WHAT AN EXCITING FOOTBALL SEASON FOR THE CITY OF TERRELL AND FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. BUT TO GO UNDEFEATED IS NO EASY TASK. IF YOU'RE PLAYING IN THE DISTRICT THAT THEY'RE PLAYING, AND THEN ALSO TO GO THREE DEEP IN THE PLAYOFFS, CONGRATULATIONS. AND HATS OFF TO NOT ONLY THE COACHING STAFF, BUT THE KIDS THAT PLAYED AND AND WORKED VERY HARD TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. WE ALSO HAVE. OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR AND OUR IT DIRECTOR. MARK, ARE YOU GOING TO INTRODUCE THEM? I AM OKAY. SO THE FIRST INDIVIDUAL I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE IS DAMON HOELZER. HE'S FAMILIAR TO MOST PEOPLE ON STAFF HERE. HE WAS A PROJECT MANAGER FOR US FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM AND OUR HR SYSTEM AND OUR SYSTEMS WITH POLICE AND COURT, AND THAT'S DAMON HOELZER. I'M WE'LL HAVE YOU COME UP AND TALK ABOUT YOURSELF A LITTLE BIT. DAMON PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT HE'S BEEN WITH US NOW AS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY FOR ABOUT A WEEK, A WEEK AND A HALF. SO. OKAY, I'M DAMON HOELZER. I HAVE BEEN DOING IT SINCE 1997 AND STARTED IN ONE WAY, PAGING AND ENDED UP BUILDING A DATA CENTER FOR SBC. I WORKED FOR AT&T FOR 15 YEARS. I DID A CLOUD ARCHITECTURE FOR IBM FOR SEVEN, AND I STARTED DOING CONTRACT LABOR, DOING MIGRATIONS AND HELPING PEOPLE WITH APPLICATIONS, DATABASE ANALYTICS AND ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. AND HERE I AM IN TERRELL. HAPPY TO BE HERE. WONDERFUL. WELL SUPER EXCITED. WELCOME ABOARD. GLAD TO HAVE YOU. YEP. DEFINITELY GLAD TO HAVE YOU. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU DAMON. YOU'RE WELCOME. NEXT.

THE OTHER INDIVIDUAL I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE IS MATT POSTON. MATT COMES TO US. HE'S GOT TEXAS ROOTS, BUT HE'S COMING TO US FROM GOLDEN, COLORADO. HE IS OUR NEW FINANCE DIRECTOR. HE STARTED NOT NOT MONDAY OF THIS WEEK BUT MONDAY OF LAST WEEK. BUT I'LL INTRODUCE HIMSELF.

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SO BORN AND RAISED IN AMARILLO, TEXAS. SO GLAD TO BE BACK TO TEXAS. I WORKED IN COLLEYVILLE, TEXAS FOR A WHILE AS WELL AS THEIR FINANCE DIRECTOR WAS THE FINANCE DIRECTOR IN AMARILLO.

AS MARK SAID, I KIND OF WORKED MY WAY UP FROM INTERN THROUGH ALL THE FINANCE POSITIONS TO THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE. WHEN I LEFT THERE RECENTLY, I WAS THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, CITY OF GOLDEN, COLORADO. SO GLAD TO BE BACK IN TEXAS. GLAD TO BE HERE IN TERRELL AND READY TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING. WONDERFUL. WELCOME ABOARD. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? WELCOME WELCOME WELCOME. THANK YOU. NEXT ON THE AGENDA OR OUR COMMUNITY RECOGNITION EVENT PART IS ARLIE, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE SOMEONE YOU'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE. YES, SIR. ALRIGHT. I KNEW HE WAS. HE ACTUALLY INTENDED TO INTRODUCE TWO OFFICERS, BUT ONE IS CAUGHT IN TRAINING AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE IT. NO. THAT'S FINE. THIS IS MATTHEW WISDOM. HE GRADUATED LAST MONTH, SO HE'S ONE OF OUR NEW OFFICERS. WE'RE PROUD TO HAVE HIM ON. STAFF WANTED YOU ALL TO BE INTRODUCED AND KNOW THAT WE'RE PROUD HE'S HERE. OKAY. CONGRATULATIONS, SIR. SO, MATTHEW, DO YOU GO BY MATTHEW OR MATT EITHER? OH, YEAH. MY DAD GOES BY OFFICER SO HE CAN SAY MATTHEW DOES IT. LESS CONFUSION WHEN YOU'RE IN TROUBLE, MATTHEW. RIGHT. GOTCHA, GOTCHA. HIS FATHER IS LIEUTENANT WISDOM THAT. YEAH. WONDERFUL. WELL, GOOD. WELL.

WELCOME ABOARD. CONGRATULATIONS. GLAD TO BE HERE. YES. WELCOME. ALRIGHT. OUR NEXT PART OF THE

[3. HEAR REMARKS FROM VISITORS.]

I'LL. I'LL READ THAT THE RECORD. RAYLAN. THE APPROPRIATE ITEM. RAYLAN. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU DO BOTH. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD. THANK YOU. YES. THERE IT IS. HELLO, I'M DEBORAH KELLY STALLINGS EDITION PARTICIPATED IN WASTE CONNECTIONS PILOT PROGRAM UTILIZING THE 95 GALLON CARTS. THE CARTS WERE ISSUED ON JUNE 25TH AND THE PROGRAM COMMENCED ON JULY 7TH. INITIALLY, TRASH PICKUP WAS ONCE PER WEEK. HOWEVER, DUE TO THE HIGH VOLUME OF TRASH AND ANIMALS RIPPING THE BAGS THAT WERE NOT CONTAINED, RESIDENTS REQUESTED TWICE PER WEEK. THE REQUEST WAS GRANTED ON OR ABOUT AUGUST 11TH, AND THE TRASH WAS PICKED UP TWICE PER WEEK. OF COURSE, SOME RESIDENTS STILL HAD LOTS OF TRASH, BUT OVERALL 95% OF THE RESIDENTS USED THE CARTS, AND SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTS ALSO USED ADDITIONAL TRASH CONTAINERS. THE PILOT PROGRAM ENDED AUGUST 21ST. IN MY OPINION, ONCE PER WEEK TRASH PICKUP WAS NOT EFFECTIVE DURING THE PILOT PROGRAM DUE TO ANIMALS RIPPING THE BAGS.

HOLIDAYS, 4TH OF JULY FAMILY EVENTS AND SOME HOUSEHOLDS WITH LARGE FAMILIES. WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION REGARDING THE TRASH SCHEDULE, PLEASE CONSIDER THE AFOREMENTIONED FACTORS.

THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THAT'S IT. DIDN'T YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE? I DO HAVE ANOTHER ONE. SO ON BEHALF OF THIS, YEAH, ON BEHALF OF TERRELL ISD, WE DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT, GEORGE AND WARNOCK, AND I RECEIVED A MESSAGE FROM PRESIDENT RATZINGER THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE FOLLOWING EMAIL READ. AND IN HIS RECORD, ALSO HONORABLE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE STATE OF THE CITY POOL WILL BE DISCUSSED AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING SCHEDULED FOR 4 P.M. TOMORROW AFTERNOON.

UNFORTUNATELY, I'M OUT OF TOWN TOMORROW AT A CONFERENCE AND WILL BE UNABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SHARE SOME OF OUR THOUGHTS VIA EMAIL. WE HAVE BEEN VERY PROUD OF AND THANKFUL FOR THE SWIM PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BUILD IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS TO ADDRESS WATER SAFETY FOR EVERY SECOND GRADE STUDENT IN TERRELL ISD. AS WE BEGAN THE PROGRAM, WE LEARNED IN OUR RESEARCH THAT DROWNING IS THE SECOND LEADING CAUSE OF UNINTENTIONAL INJURY RELATED DEATH FOR CHILDREN AGES 5 TO 14 AFTER MOTOR VEHICLE CRASHES. IT'S ESTIMATED THAT ANOTHER 5 TO 10 PEOPLE RECEIVE HOSPITAL RELATED CARE FOR NONFATAL DROWNING AND INJURIES. FOR EVERY FATAL DROWNING VICTIM, THE RISK IS EVEN HIGHER FOR AFRICAN AMERICAN AND HISPANIC CHILDREN. AFRICAN AMERICAN CHILDREN AGES 5 TO 19 DROWN IN SWIMMING POOLS AT RATES FIVE AND A HALF TIMES HIGHER THAN CAUCASIAN CHILDREN IN THE SAME AGE RANGE. 79% OF CHILDREN IN HOUSEHOLDS WITH INCOMES LESS

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SHOULD THE COUNCIL DECIDE THAT THE POOL WILL CLOSE, I HOPE THAT WE CAN ENGAGE IN PARTNERSHIP DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN THE ISD AND THE CITY ABOUT HOW TO PROVIDE WATER SAFETY AND ACCESS FOR SWIMMING FOR THE CHILDREN IN OUR COMMUNITY. IN REVIEWING SOME OF THE SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS, I SAW SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT FUNDS SAVED FROM POOL CLOSURE BEING USED FOR YOUTH ATHLETIC LEAGUES OR OTHER YOUTH PROGRAMING. LAST YEAR AT THE EXCEL, WITH FINANCIAL SUPPORT FROM THE CITY OF TERRELL, WE OPERATED 465 YOUTH TEAMS SERVING 4780 STUDENTS IN VOLLEYBALL, BASKETBALL, FOOTBALL AND INDOOR SOCCER. 50% OF THOSE REGISTRATIONS WERE TERRELL ISD STUDENTS. WE ALSO PARTNER WITH TERRELL YOUTH ATHLETES WITH FACILITY USAGE FOR FOOTBALL, SOFTBALL, BASEBALL, AND TRACK AND FIELD. WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN FACILITIES AND PERSONNEL TO ASSIST WITH THESE PROGRAMS. WE ALWAYS WELCOME FEEDBACK AND SUPPORT FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN OUR PROGRAMS. OUR REQUEST IS THAT SHOULD ADDITIONAL YOUTH PROGRAMING BE PLANNED FROM THE CITY, WE ARE ABLE TO PARTNER AND BE A PART OF THE DISCUSSION AND CONTINUE TO DO SO IN A COLLABORATIVE SPIRIT THAT MAKES OUR COMMUNITY SO VERY STRONG. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT IS PATTY YOAKUM. HI. HEY. HELLO. WELCOME, 103 MAIN. GOOD TO SEE YOU GUYS AGAIN. SINCE GEORGE OR DOCTOR WARNOCK DID SUCH A GREAT JOB WITH THE POSITIVE ABOUT THE KIDS AND THEIR USAGE OF THE POOL, I WANTED TO JUST TO FOCUS ON THE POOL ITSELF. I WENT THROUGH THE AND YOU CAN TELL YOU WANT TO READ MY NOTES, YOU CAN READ MY NOTES. THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET IS VERILY IS VERY HEAVILY PRESENTED TO NOT FIX THE POOL ISSUES YOU HAVE. YOU'VE TOLD US EVERY REASON WHY NOT TO, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR THE STAFF TO DO IS IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. TO DO IS TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THE POSITIVE PARTS OF THE POOL. HOW MANY PEOPLE WE SERVED, WHAT WAS THE REVENUE, WHAT AGE GROUPS DID WE SERVE? WHAT PROGRAMS WERE WERE INVOLVED WITH THE POOL DEPARTMENT? ALL THIS STUFF WAS NOT PRESENTED TO YOU IN THIS PACKET. SO I THINK THAT YOU NEED TO GET THAT INFORMATION. A LOT OF THE SUGGESTIONS IN THE PACKET WERE NOT REALLY ORIGINAL TO WHAT'S ALREADY BEING OFFERED.

WE ALREADY AS AS DOCTOR WARNOCK SAID, WE ALREADY DO A LOT OF STUFF WITH THE TISD. WE DO A LOT OF STUFF WITH OUR YOUTH ATHLETICS. THERE'S A LOT OF PROGRAMS THAT WE CAN DO THAT ARE FREE, THAT ARE EASY TO DO IN A PARK ENVIRONMENT THAT WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AT. WE DON'T NEED $300,000 TO DO THOSE THOSE PROGRAMS. I FINALLY FOUND IN THE VERY FINE PRINT ON THE LAST PAGE OF THE AGENDA, THAT 5914 PEOPLE USED THE POOL LAST YEAR. WERE THOSE CHILDREN, ADULTS OR PROGRAMS? NO REVENUE INFORMATION. I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT. WHAT I AND I'M JUST KIND OF CONFUSING HERE BECAUSE I'VE GOT NOTES EVERYWHERE. I'D LIKE TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY NEEDS BASIC WITH THE POOL AND OUR PARKS. THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT WE'RE NOT 40, WE'RE NOT ROCKWALL, WE'RE NOT PLANO, WE'RE TERRELL. AND THAT POOL IS IMPORTANT TO THE CITY AND TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE KIDS. AND WE JUST NEED TO KEEP IT BASIC. AND WHAT I'D LIKE FOR Y'ALL TO DO, INSTEAD OF CONSIDERING TEARING DOWN THAT POOL AND NOT USING THE POOL, IS TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN UPGRADE THAT POOL AND MAKE IT A BETTER AMENITY TO OUR PARKS. BECAUSE IF WE MAKE IT A BETTER AMENITY, WE WOULD INCREASE THE POPULATION THAT USE IT AND WE COULD INCREASE REVENUES. WE NEED TO GO UP ON THE PRICES THERE, REALLY. I MEAN, THAT'S A THAT'S A GIVEN. BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US USE THAT POOL AS A POSITIVE FOR OUR PARKS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET RID OF IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, GAIL CHARETTE. I DID A LOT OF HAND SCRATCHING TO GET THIS DOWN, SO GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL. TODAY I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS MOST VALUABLE SHARED SPACES OUR COMMUNITY POOL. THE COMMUNITY POOL IS MORE LIKE JUST A PLACE TO SWIM. IT'S A CENTRAL GATHERING SPOT WHERE FAMILIES RELAX. KIDS LEARN TO LOVE THE WATER, AND NEIGHBORS GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER. IT'S A SPACE THAT ADDS REAL VALUE TO OUR COMMUNITY BY PROMOTING HEALTH, CONNECTION, AND A SENSE OF BELONGING. SWIMMING IS AN ACTIVITY THAT PEOPLE OF ALL AGES AND ABILITIES CAN ENJOY. IT STRENGTHENS THE BODY,

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GRANDPARENTS ARE IN THAT POOL. THEY'RE NOT ON THE SIDELINES WATCHING AND SWEATING WHILE OUT IN THE SUN, WATCHING OUR KIDS DO THEIR THINGS. BUT SADLY, THE DYNAMICS OF THE POOLS HAVE CHANGED AND THE STAFF RUNNING THE FACILITY OVER THE LAST PAST SEVERAL YEARS, LOSING ATTENDEES WHILE LOSING MONEY. THERE ARE REASONS, AND I THINK NO ONE HAS TAKEN A DEEP DIVE INTO FINDING OUT WHY YOU ARE LOSING ATTENDEES. I VISITED A LONE SEVEN PUBLIC POOLS IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS THIS PAST SUMMER, AND OUR POOL IS NOT RUN LIKE THEIRS. FUN WAS HAD FOOD AND DRINKS OF THE PERSON'S CHOICE BROUGHT IN TO BE EATEN IN THE AREA, PROVIDED POOL TOYS, SWIMMING UNDERWATER AND NO WHISTLES BEING BLOWN UNLESS NECESSARY. WE WERE ACTUALLY TOLD IF WE WANTED TO EAT, WE'D GO BACK OUT INTO OUR CAR AND EAT. THE ONLY THING WE COULD BRING IN THERE WAS WATER. AND YES, ALL THE POOLS SURROUNDING POOLS ALL HAVE THE SAME LAWS AND REGULATIONS. LET'S BRING BACK OUR COMMUNITY POOL WITH THE PROPER STAFFING. OF COURSE, YOU MAY NEED TO PAY BETTER TO GET A BETTER QUALIFIED PERSON TO TAKE THE JOB LONG HARD HOURS.

LET'S BRING THE FUN BACK OUT THERE. YOU CAN HAVE. WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR FAMILY NIGHTS, YOU CAN HAVE THE POLICE, THE FIREMEN COME IN AND YOU DO YOUR LITTLE COOKOUTS. MY DAUGHTER ACTUALLY HELPS WITH THE POOL OVER IN NORTH DALLAS AND IT'S FUN. THE KIDS PLAY. YEAH, THAT WHISTLES BLOWN SOMETIMES. IT SURE IS. PARENTS YELL AT THEIR KIDS. YOU CAN'T EVEN TOUCH EACH OTHER, MY GRANDDAUGHTER SAID, I'M AFRAID TO BREATHE. WE WERE IN A HUDDLE. YOU COULD NOT DO ANYTHING IN THAT POOL. AND THERE WAS A BIG CONFRONTATION. BUT PHIL KNOWS ABOUT THAT ONE, SO FUN NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT BACK INTO AND UPDATE THE BATHROOMS OUT THERE. OR WOULD YOU RATHER OUR TOWN PEOPLE DRIVE TO ANOTHER TOWN AND SPEND THEIR MONEY ELSEWHERE SWIMMING AND EATING AGAIN? LOST REVENUE? THE GOAL IS TO CONTINUE TO BE A PLACE WHERE RESIDENTS CAN ENJOY, RELAX AND COME TOGETHER FOR YEARS. WHERE'S OUR TAX MONEY? I WAS ASKING PHIL, WHERE'S OUR TAX MONEY FROM THE REVENUE, LIKE CROSS ROADS AND ALL THAT STUFF WE VOTED ON. WHERE'S THAT TAX MONEY GOING? WHY? THIS IS NOT A TODAY'S PROBLEM. THIS FILTER SYSTEM HAS BEEN KNOWN FOR YEARS TO BE HAVING PROBLEMS. SO WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE LIKE IN YOUR HOUSE AND ON YOUR CAR? I HOPE WE CAN KEEP IT. I HOPE WE CAN FIND THE RIGHT STAFF TO RUN THE PLACE AND LET THESE KIDS GO IN THERE AND FIND AND

[4. PUBLIC HEARINGS AND CITY COUNCIL ACTIONS]

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THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? HEARING? NONE. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MOVE ON TO 4.2. YES.

MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, WE BRING TO YOU TONIGHT ORDINANCE NUMBER 3159, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER SUP. 20 507, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF KAUFMAN COUNTY, TEXAS, GRANTING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION 31. B SUP DASH SPECIFIC USE PERMITS. APPENDIX TWO, ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TERRELL, TEXAS, TO A MARIPOSA REALTY, INC. A TEXAS CORPORATION. THE OWNER AND GREGORY JUSTIN IV, DBA OMERTA. TATTOO AND PIERCING THE TENANT, ALLOWING AN EXCEPTION TO THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION 29, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL APPENDIX TWO ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TERRELL FOR CERTAIN PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1001 EAST MOORE SUITE A, IDENTIFIED AS KAUFMAN COUNTY CAD PROPERTY ID 27098 AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED BLOCK ONE, LOT 17 R OF THE DB HOWARD ADDITION AT LYDIA STREET IN THE CITY OF KAUFMAN COUNTY, TEXAS. IN DEPENDENT AND DEPICTED ON THE GENERAL WARRANTY DEED, WITH VENDOR'S LEAN ATTACHED HERETO AS EXHIBIT A AND MADE A PART HEREOF, FOR ALL PURPOSES, AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP, PROVIDING A PENALTY, PROVIDING, REPEALING, SAVINGS AND SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING FOR PUBLICATION AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. GREG. JANA, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD AGAIN. SO. I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T HAVE MY LAPTOP GOT CONFISCATED WORKING ON IT. ALL RIGHT. SO IF YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY GIVEN US THIS INFORMATION, WHAT WHAT TIME OF OPERATIONS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE TATTOO

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11. THE LATEST. SOME SESSIONS RUN LATE, SO TYPICALLY IT'S LIKE TEN. BUT SOME SESSIONS WHERE YOU HAVE DIFFERENT HOURS FOR THE WEEK VERSUS THE WEEKEND. OR IS IT. YES, SIR. OKAY. SO THE WEEKDAYS WOULD BE EARLIER CLOSE IN THE WEEKENDS A LITTLE BIT LATER. WHAT ABOUT THE AGE 18 YEARS OLD. SO THERE WILL BE PIERCING SO MINORS CAN GET PIERCINGS WITH THEIR PARENTAL CONSENT WHICH WILL FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES, BIRTH CERTIFICATES, IDS OF BOTH THE CHILD AND THE PARENT PARENT NEEDS TO BE IN ATTENDANCE WHILE THE CHILD IS GETTING A PIERCING. ANYONE UNDER 18 IS WHAT THE IS THAT? IS THAT THE IS IT 16? I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT TEXAS STATE LAW IS ANYBODY CAN GET A PIERCING WITH PARENTAL CONSENT. IT'S MOST PIERCERS LIKE A BABY OR SOMETHING. YEAH, MOST PIERCERS DON'T REALLY PIERCE BABIES JUST BECAUSE THEY GROW.

AND IT KIND OF DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT WHEN THEY GO. I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT PERSON. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PIERCINGS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BODY PIERCINGS OVERALL BODY, EAR, EARS, NOSE IT WHOLE BODY PIERCINGS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BUT THERE IS PARENTS DON'T BRING THEIR KIDS IN FOR ADULT STYLE PIERCINGS. YOU KNOW I WOULDN'T THINK SO. YEAH. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A BACKGROUND AS TO FOR TATTOOS. WE FOLLOW THE LAW. NO MINORS.

WHAT ABOUT BABY TATTOOS? I WE CAN TATTOO A BABY ON A PERSON, BUT ALRIGHT, SO DO YOU, DO YOU, DO YOU CURRENTLY OWN OR OPERATE A TATTOO FACILITY? SO WE DON'T CURRENTLY OWN OR OPERATE ONE? WE DID PURCHASE ONE IN ARIZONA, WHICH IS WHERE I'M FROM, AND WE DECIDED TO STAY IN TEXAS, WHICH IS WHERE MY PARTNER IS FROM. BUT WE DO WORK AT A TATTOO SHOP CURRENTLY IN FORNEY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MAYOR, I DO WANT TO CLARIFY. THEY'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH BLAKE FOR THEIR BUILDING PERMIT, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NOT ANY INTERIOR, BUT THE INTERIOR, MAINLY FOR THE ELECTRICAL AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE'S SIGNAGE, THERE'S REQUIREMENTS. BECAUSE WE DO HAVE RESIDENTIALS IN THE AREA. AND SO THERE'S THE SIGNS WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT AREA AND THE BUILDING. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD WANT, AND I THINK THE COUNCIL WOULD TOO, IS THAT WE WANT THE FACILITY, IF IT'S APPROVED TO BE UPPER SCALE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU. YES. WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO LOOK BAD ON THE CITY, RIGHT? OF COURSE. FOR ANYONE. WHAT WHAT WHAT'S WHAT'S YOUR LOGO? DO YOU HAVE A LOGO OR SOMETHING? WITH THE CITY? WE WE HAVEN'T REGISTERED IT YET, BUT IT'S A BASIC LOGO THAT SAYS OMERTA WITH A TATTOO MACHINE. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? OH, THIS IS YOUR DISTRICT, RIGHT? OR JOANNE, THE SPACE. IS IT THE SAME SPACE AS WHERE THE RESALE SHOP USED TO BE, OR IS IT A DIFFERENT SPACE? THERE WAS A PARTY SUPPLY SHOP IN THAT LOCATION. OKAY. SO THEY OPENED AND THEY HAVE CLOSED SINCE THEN. CORRECT. OKAY. IT'S WHAT, 800FT■!S IS YOUR SWEET? I BELIEVE SO I THINK IT'S 800FT■!. IT'S GOING TO BE SWEET A WITHIN THAT BUILDING. AND I THINK I WAS TOLD BY JUSTIN IT WAS 800FT. YES. HE'S CONFIRMING IS THIS A STATE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WOULD REGULATE YOU? YES, SIR. OKAY. SO ARE YOU. DO YOU HAVE TO BE LICENSED TO DO THIS? NOT. NOT TO TATTOO, BUT YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE A TATTOO BUSINESS LICENSE TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE A TATTOO STUDIO. AND IT'S SIMILAR TO TBC. I'M GUESSING THAT THE CITY WOULD NEED TO SIGN OFF ON THAT.

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OKAY. NO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT WE'VE GOT ON THE TABLE. OKAY. GOOD.

MY MY LAST QUESTION IS AROUND THE HEALTH AND SAFETY. JUST LIKE A A A PEDIATRIC OFFICE, FAMILY MEDICINE OFFICE, URGENT CARE CENTER. IT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT YOU'RE REGULATED THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES. DEPARTMENT. AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR FOR JANA. SO JANA, SINCE THINKING HEALTH HEALTH WISE AND USES OF NEEDLES. AND I WANT TO BE FAIR IN ASKING THIS QUESTION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WE PROBABLY WE'RE PROBABLY NOT WALKING INTO PEDIATRIC OR FAMILY HEALTH CENTERS DOUBLE CHECKING TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE UTILIZING THEIR NEEDLES CORRECTLY. RIGHT. SO IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR. AND ASKING THIS TO A TATTOO PARLOR AS WELL. BUT IS THERE AT ANY POINT THAT THE CITY AND CONDUCTING ROUTINE CHECK INS WITH THE BUSINESS IN TERMS OF COMPLIANCE? WOULD THAT BE OUR ROLE TO TAKE, OR WOULD THAT BE COMPLETELY UP TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES? IT WOULD. WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ONE, YOU KNOW, A LAW GO INTO EFFECT THAT WOULD GIVE US THAT GOVERNING. RIGHT.

AND WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE THAT. THEY THEY DO REGULAR INSPECTIONS, SCHEDULED

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THANK YOU BOTH. OKAY, OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, THIS IS A DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ORDINANCE NUMBER 3159. IS THERE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 3159. THERE'S A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM PHIL ROBERTSON MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT FIVE A SECOND FROM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT TWO, TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 3159 AS PRESENTED. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I. AYE. ANY OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES ALL THOSE PRESENT. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A 4.3 CONDUCTED PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE COMMENTS REGARDING A ZONE CHANGE, AMENDING PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PD DASH FIVE AS APPROVED BY ORDINANCE NUMBER 2362 TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT. MIXED USE PD 20 5-119 PROVIDING FOR RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL USES ON PROPERTY. GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHERN INTERSECTION OF FM 148 AND SPUR 557 ON APPROXIMATELY 49.778 ACRES OF LAND IN THE JOHN C HILL SURVEY TRACT 580 DASH 580 .02, IN THE CITY OF KAUFMAN COUNTY, TEXAS, IDENTIFIED AS KAUFMAN COUNTY CAD PROPERTY ID 179071 AGAIN PD DASH M 25 3160 SLASH 25.19 OR 25 DASH 19.

AGAIN. JANA THANK YOU MAYOR. SO WE KNOW THIS PROPERTY AS THE BAYLOR PROPERTY. IT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONTRACT TO A DEVELOPMENT TEAM. WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO AND THEY'RE PROPOSING IN THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IS SIMILAR TO THE PD THAT WE DID WITH BAYLOR BACK IN 2007. EIGHT. EXCUSE ME. WHAT WE DID DO IS WE WENT INTO SOME OF THE USES, LIKE THE RESTAURANTS, AND WE UPDATED THAT AND ADDED RESTAURANT DINE IN WITH LIQUOR ALCOHOL SALES TYPE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THAT WAS NOT AVAILABLE BACK IN 2008. SO THE PD ITSELF LOOKS SIMILAR TO THEN WHAT BAYLOR WAS OFFERED AND WE EXECUTED. WE SENT OUT NINE ABUTTING LETTERS TO ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS, AND AS OF TODAY, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES EITHER IN FAVOR OR NOT IN FAVOR. IF YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, IT DOES DEFINE THE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT THERE AT THAT SECTION WHERE THE SPUR ENTERS AND MEETS INTERSTATE 20.

WE'VE GOT A LETTER FROM BAYLOR HEALTHCARE THAT STATED THAT THEY ARE THE RECORD OWNER CURRENTLY, AND THEY ARE AUTHORIZED IN THIS BUYER TO SUBMIT THIS APPLICATION. AND THEN I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, OUR STANDARD ITEMS. IF YOU'LL GO BACK TO PAGE THE 15 OR TO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. SORRY, DON. KEEP GOING. THE PLAN, IT'S EXHIBIT B, IT'S IN THE VERY BACK. IT'S MY PAGE 15. OKAY. RIGHT THERE OKAY. SO THESE ARE OUR BUILDING STANDARDS WHICH AGAIN THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF SOME CHANGES BUT NOTHING SIGNIFICANT. IT ALSO COMPLIES WITH OUR BUILDINGS, OUR NORMAL BUILDING STANDARDS OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE AND OUR CSS.

AND THEN IT GETS INTO THE USES AND YOU CAN GO IN THROUGH THOSE AND SEE THOSE USES. AND I'LL PAUSE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN. SO AT THIS TIME WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO HEAR ANY REMARKS REGARDING THE ZONE CHANGE FROM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. PD DASH FIVE AS APPROVED. AN ORDINANCE AS APPROVED BY ORDINANCE 2362. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OR THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT? OKAY. YEAH. FAMILIAR FACE THERE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. JOHN GODWIN. I THINK YOU ALL KNOW WHO I AM. I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE A VERY LONG TIME. IN A TWIST. AN UNUSUAL TWIST I'M ACTUALLY REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER IN THIS CASE ARE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPER. I'VE GOT A PRESENTATION IF YOU NEED ONE. I DON'T THINK YOU DO. I WILL JUST JUST EMPHASIZE THAT THE REASON THE ZONING IS KIND OF THE WAY IT IS STILL OWNS THE PROPERTY. THE NEW FOLKS WILL CALL THEM. THEY WANT TO BUY THAT PROPERTY, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO BUY IT UNTIL THEY GET IT REZONED. AND SO YOU'VE GOT OFFICIALLY THIS IS AN APPLICATION FROM BAYLOR, BUT IT'S THE FLOWERS GROUP, DOLLAR FLOWERS GROUP THAT'S ACTUALLY BEHIND THIS. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL GO SIT DOWN NOW. THANK YOU. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. THIS IS PUBLIC HEARING. NO NO, NO. ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON

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ANYBODY ELSE? ANY QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 3160. SO MOVED. HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? I HAVE A MOTION FROM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON OR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT TWO, A SECOND FROM STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS OR DISTRICT FOUR REPRESENTATIVE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 3160 AS PRESENTED. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I, I ANY OPPOSED.

[10. ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 551 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING]

[11. RECONVENE INTO REGULAR SESSION AND CONSIDER ACTION, IF ANY, ITEMS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.]

[5. BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS]

AND THIS FALLS UNDER THE OVERSIGHT OF PHIL ROBERTSON. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT ALL THREE CANDIDATES WHO WISH TO BE REAPPOINTED. HAVE A MOTION FROM. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION FROM PHIL ROBERTSON, A MAYOR PRO TEM, DISTRICT FIVE, SECOND FROM MAYOR RONNIE VELASQUEZ, DISTRICT THREE, TO REAPPOINT ALL THREE MEMBERS TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I. I ANY OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY ALL THOSE PRESENT NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA DISCUSSING CONSIDERED LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTMENT AGAIN DON MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD ROSTERS IN YOUR PACKET.

VERONICA SLAYTON SUBMITTED HER RESIGNATION AND THAT LEAVES ONE OPEN POSITION ON THIS BOARD.

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THANKSGIVING BIRTHDAY. DID I SAY FOOTBALL? YEAH, MAN. WILL YOU GUYS LET ME LOOK AT THIS ONE MORE TIME AND I'LL GIVE YOU MY WORD. SO WE HAVE A RECOMMEND A MOTION TO POSTPONE. AND I WILL DEFINITELY HAVE SOMEONE APPOINTED A RECOMMENDATION NEXT MEETING. WONDERFUL. THERE'S THERE'S A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS, DISTRICT FOUR. A SECOND FROM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, DISTRICT TWO TO POSTPONE ITEM 5.2, THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTMENT. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I ANY OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES AND A VOTE OF THE PRESENT. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 5.3 DISCUSSING. CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO THE FACILITY'S NAMING COMMITTEE, MR. MILLS. SO THERE ARE NINE POSITIONS ON THE CITY FACILITY NAMING COMMITTEE. EACH INDIVIDUAL IS SERVES A ONE YEAR TERM, SO IT WILL BE NECESSARY FOR COUNCIL TO REAPPOINT ALL OF THE APPOINTEES.

THEIR TERMS EXPIRE ON THE 31ST OF DECEMBER, WITH THE NEW TERMS BEGINNING JANUARY 1ST. OF THE NINE MEMBERS, ALL OF THEM HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO SERVE, EXCEPT FOR DONNA THOMAS, WHO HAS INDICATED THAT SHE WOULD NOT BE SEEKING TO BE REAPPOINTED, AS WELL AS STEVE HUEY. THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS ARE AGAIN, THEIR TERMS ARE EXPIRING ON THE 31ST OF DECEMBER. SO IF WE CAN GET THOSE INDIVIDUALS REAPPOINTED AND THEN FILL THE VACANCY FOR DISTRICT TWO AND DISTRICT FIVE, WHEN YOU ALL HAVE CANDIDATES YOU'D LIKE TO APPOINT. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO RENAME THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE EXCEPT FOR DEVONA THOMAS AND STEVE HUEY.

CORRECT? CORRECT. YES. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION TO DO SO? MOTION TO REAPPOINT THE ENTIRE NAMING COMMITTEE EXCEPT YVONNE THOMAS AND STEVE HUEY. I HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MAY. RONNY VELASQUEZ, DISTRICT THREE, SECOND FROM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT TWO, TO REAPPOINT ALL OF THOSE NAMED IN OUR NAMING COMMITTEE. WITH THE ABSENCE OF DIVINA THOMAS AND STEVE HUEY. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO THANK THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN SERVING AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE TWO OF OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS HERE, JESSICA KING AND GUSTAVO ORTEGA. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. NOTED IN THE RECORD, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I. AYE. ANY OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES THE NEXT ITEM ON

[6. DISCUSSION ITEMS]

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ONE IS WE IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO THE COUNCIL'S POLICY AT LEAST INFORMAL POLICY WHERE WE'RE TERRELL WANTS TO SERVE ALL OF ITS OWN CITIZENS. AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. IF THEY'RE YOUR CITIZENS AND SOMETHING GOES WRONG WITH THEIR WATER, THEY'RE GOING TO CALL CITY HALL. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CALL, YOU KNOW, THESE OR THEY'RE GOING TO CALL SOMEBODY DOWN HERE AND YOU SAY, WE THAT'S NOT US. THEY'RE GOING TO GET MAD. AND SO YOU DON'T NEED THAT IN THIS CASE BECAUSE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT. LIKE CHRIS SAID, THERE'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT THEY HAVE AND THAT'S FIRE FLOW. AT FIRST POETRY WAS LIKE, WE CAN SERVE THAT WATER. WE HAVE THE ABILITY, WE WANT TO SERVE ALL OF IT. AND BUT THEY CAN'T GET FIRE FLOW. AND FIRE FLOW IS THE ABILITY TO TO HAVE ENOUGH WATER TO CERTAIN GALLONS PER MINUTE FOR PRESSURE TO BE ABLE TO FIGHT A FIRE SO THEY CAN HANDLE SANITATION, HAND WASHING AND TOILETS. THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WATER PRESSURE FOR THAT. AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO NOT GIVE A WILL SERVE LETTER TO A DEVELOPER. CITY CAN, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE CITY CCN SO THIS IS A PART OF AN STM, STM SALE TRANSFER MERGER. AND YOU MOST OF YOU HAVE HEARD US TALKING ABOUT FOREVER. IT SEEMS LIKE LAWRENCE THAT'S A SALE. AND SO FOR THAT PROCESS, YOU KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO $175,000. THIS IS JUST A TRANSFER. THIS IS A VOLUNTARY PARTNERSHIP TRANSFER. IT'S A MUCH FASTER PROCESS AND IT'S A DIFFERENT PROCESS. SO IN THIS CASE THEY'RE GOING TO GET ABOUT MAYBE $40,000. AND THAT'S BASED ON A STUDY THAT WAS DONE ORIGINALLY I WAS GOING TO DO THE STUDY, BUT I FIGURED IF I DID THE STUDY, IF THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE ANSWER, THEY WOULD SAY, OH, NO, WE WANT ANOTHER ONE. SO I JUST WE JUST WENT AND DID ANOTHER ONE. WE HIRED NEW GEN TO DO THE STUDY. NEW GEN, CALCULATE HOW MUCH THEY SHOULD BE GETTING. THAT INCLUDES PAYING FOR THE STUDY ITSELF WHICH IS REQUIRED UNDER UNDER THE WATER CODE, STATE LAW UNDER THE WATER CODE. SO WE'VE GOT AN AGREEMENT NOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET THIS MUCH MONEY ABOUT $42,000. THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION ITEM. I DON'T WANT YOU TO VOTE ON IT TONIGHT. AND THAT WILL ALL BECOME THE CITY'S EXCEPT WITH ONE EXCEPTION. AND IF YOU SEE SOMEWHERE ON YOUR MAP, THEY'RE UP THERE AT THE KIND OF YOU SEE THAT LITTLE FINGER STICKING OUT INTO THE YELLOW. YEAH. RIGHT THERE THAT IS GOING TO STAY INSIDE OF. AND YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THAT LOT. SOME OF YOU ARE, I CAN TELL. BUT THE REASON IS BECAUSE WATER COMES FROM THE FRONT COMES FROM THAT, THAT STREET. SO EVEN THOUGH THAT'S IN THE CITY LIMITS, IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE SUPER, ALMOST NOT IMPOSSIBLE. IT'S SUPER DIFFICULT FOR CHRIS OR ANYBODY TO SERVE WATER FROM THE CITY. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE ONE PIECE. SO WHEN WE SAY ALL THE CITY LIMITS IS GOING TO BE IN THERE, IT'S GOING TO BE ALL THE CITY LIMITS EXCEPT FOR ONE LOT, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO GET THERE. THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP GETTING THEIR WATER FROM FROM POETRY THERE ON THAT EXISTING STREET. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY. AND SO THE REASON TONIGHT THIS IS NOT AN ACTION ITEM IS WHEN I MET WITH PHILLIP KEYS, I GUESS A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, HE WANTED YOU TO VOTE FIRST. AND I WANTED HIS BOARD TO VOTE FIRST. SO THE AGREEMENT WE MADE WAS.

I'LL BRING IT TO YOU TONIGHT, CHRIS, AND I'LL BRING IT TO YOU TONIGHT TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OR IF YOU'RE GENERALLY OKAY WITH IT. YOU KNOW, NOD OF THE HEAD, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DON'T WANT YOU TO VOTE. AND THEN I WILL TELL HIM, YEAH, PHILLIP, THEY'RE ON BOARD OR NOT. AND THEN THEY'LL VOTE ON IT AT THEIR MEETING, THEIR FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY.

AND THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO YOU NEXT MONTH FOR YOU TO APPROVE THE AGREEMENT AND ANY CHANGES THAT WE MAY HAVE. WELL, ACTUALLY HAVE FINAL DOLLARS BY THEN TOO. SO INSTEAD OF YOU, IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT 42, I CAN TELL YOU IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S $38,000.19 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS. IT'S IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 29 AND 50. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THE LOW 40S. SO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE OR CHRIS OR YOU KNOW, ANY QUESTIONS. SO YES. SO THE RED LINE IS GOING TO TAKE OVER THE ORANGE. ALL OF THAT RED HATCHING THAT HAS YELLOW BEHIND IT. THE CITY LIMIT RIGHT NOW IS RED. THE THE RED LINES ARE THE CITY. AND SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS TAKING THE ORANGE AND THE GREEN, ALL THE CROSS-HATCHED ALL ACROSS THAT EXCEPT FOR THE LITTLE PIN. YES. CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S ALL. WELL. THE THE CROSS-HATCHED THAT'S NOT YELLOW, THAT'S GREEN. THAT'S NOT IN THE CITY. NO, JUST THE ORANGE AND THE GREEN. THE ORANGE AND THE.

THERE'S ORANGE AND THERE'S GREEN. YEAH. THAT'S COMING, THAT'S COMING INTO OUR CITY.

NOT THE GREEN BECAUSE THE GREEN BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE CITY LIMITS. THIS IS JUST CC.

SO JUST CC SO JUST JUST THE YELLOW JUST THE YELLOW WITH THE RED HATCHING OKAY. NOW PART OF THE AGREEMENT IS CHRIS I TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT. SO IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED A

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THERE PROBABLY WILL BE BECAUSE THEY'RE A RELATIVELY SMALL WSC, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO SERVE THE KIND OF GROWTH THAT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GETTING FROM FROM READING THE PAPERS. AND AS TIME GOES BY. AND SO THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA END UP HAVING TO GIVE YOU MORE.

BUT THE GOOD NEWS THERE IS NOT THAT IT MATTERS, BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE IN THAT AGREEMENT THAT THEY DON'T YOU TWO ENTITIES DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PUC EVER AGAIN TO TO TRADE, TO TRADE LAND. LIKE IF YOU EVER DECIDE YOU WANT TO GET THAT LOT FOR SOME REASON OR THAT WHOLE SUBDIVISION FOR SOME REASON, YOU CAN DO THAT. YOU'LL HAVE TO AGREE ON A PRICE BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU. SO. I'M SEEING TWO DIFFERENT CHECKERED RIGHT A YELLOW GREENISH AND THEN THE YELLOW WITH THE RED. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE YELLOW AND RED OR THE YELLOW AND RED OVERLAP. WHAT. AND THEY'RE ALL PARTIALS RIGHT. I MEAN THERE'S PARCELS WITHIN THAT. YES. SO THERE THERE ARE FOUR EXISTING CUSTOMERS THAT YOU WILL TAKE OVER AND ONE EXISTING CUSTOMER YOU WILL NOT TAKE OVER. YEAH. 25. SO IT'S PRETTY SPARSE OKAY.

SO IT WON'T AFFECT ANYBODY YET. BUT PRESUMABLY THOSE WILL BE DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE.

CERTAINLY SOMEDAY IT WILL BE OKAY. AND WHEN THEY DO THEY'LL BE THEY'LL BE IN YOURS AND YOU'LL BE SERVING YOUR CITIZENS WATER INSTEAD OF SOMEBODY ELSE DOING IT. RIGHT. OKAY. WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE AREA IN YELLOW AND RED. WE ARE LOOKING TO OBTAIN THE CCN FROM THAT AREA SO WE CAN PROVIDE WATER, BECAUSE POETRY CAN OR CANNOT PROVIDE WATER DUE TO THE FLOW.

FOR INSTANCES WHEN THERE IS AN EMERGENCY, RIGHT. FOR WHEN THERE'S FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THEY CAN HANDLE FOR HOUSES THEY CAN'T HANDLE 2 OR 300, 2 OR 300 HOUSES. AND THEN IN THE FUTURE, IF SO, IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, BOTH PARTIES MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AGREEMENT IN THE FUTURE. IF THERE IS, IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL THERE ADDITIONAL HOMES OR BUSINESSES THAT NEED TO BE SERVED, THEN THERE CAN BE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT AGREEMENT WITHOUT HAVING TO DO. THAT'S CORRECT. IF ANOTHER SUBDIVISION COMES ALONG AND THE SAME THING HAPPENS AND FOLKS LIKE, GEE, WE'D LIKE TO SERVE THOSE HOUSES, BUT WE CAN'T. TERRELL, CAN YOU TAKE THEM? AND IF YOU CAN, YOU CAN JUST YOU CAN JUST SAY, YEAH, WE'LL GIVE YOU $19 OR WHATEVER THE PRICE YOU AGREE TO AND IT'S YOURS WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING FURTHER. OKAY, THAT MAY NOT EVER HAPPEN, BUT IT CERTAINLY MIGHT AGAIN, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE GROWTH EXPECTATIONS OUT HERE BEFORE A DEVELOPER STARTS, THEY WANT TO KNOW A COMMITMENT THAT YOU'LL SERVE THEM. AND IF THEY'RE IN THE POETRY CCN THEY'RE GOING TO ASK THEM POETRY. CAN YOU SERVE. AND IT'S CALLED A WILL SERVE LETTER. AND BASICALLY IT'S A COMMITMENT FROM WHATEVER ENTITY, WHETHER IT BE THE CITY OR ANOTHER OR WSC THAT YOU CAN COMMIT. AND THAT COMMITMENT IS NOT JUST SINKS AND TOILETS, IT'S FIRE FLOW. BUT THE DEVELOPER REQUESTS CAN REQUEST THAT THE CITY BE THE PROVIDER. NO THEY CANNOT NO, THEY CAN'T OPT OUT OF POETRY. CCN THEY CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. THEY CAN GO, YEAH, BUT THEY CAN THEY CAN FILE FOR A REMOVAL. YES THEY CAN. BUT THAT'S A LONG PROCESS AND THIS IS JUST A LOT QUICKER. OH OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOTCHA. YEAH. WE'RE TRYING TO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT FASTER FOR ALL THE PARTIES OH I AGREE. OKAY I HAVE A QUESTION. JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU KNOW, ON THE CORNER OF POETRY AND TOWN NORTH WHERE THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT IS GOING IN THE 91. YES. CHISHOLM TRAIL TRAIL THAT'S ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF. IT'S EXCLUDED FROM THAT. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT INITIATED ALL THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE, AS I STATED, THAT DEVELOPMENT ACTUALLY HAD SPLIT IN HALF. SO IT WAS LIKE WE CAN'T HAVE TWO BILLS COMING FROM. SO THANK YOU. YEAH. CAN I CLARIFY SOMETHING? IF THE DEVELOPER REQUEST FOR THE CCN TO BE THE CITY OF TRAIL. THE RESULT WOULD BE THE SAME. THIS IS JUST SHORTENING THE PROCESS.

THAT'S RIGHT. THEY'D STILL HAVE TO GO TO THE PUC AND GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. AND IN FACT, YOU'VE GOT A DEVELOPER. HINES, WHO USED TO BE HINES, THAT WAS REQUIRED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT NEGOTIATED SEVERAL YEARS AGO. YEAH, THEY HAD TO APPLY FOR THAT THEMSELVES. AND I THINK THAT MAY HAVE BEEN WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY. THE RESULT WOULD BE THE SAME. IT'S JUST A SHORTER PROCESS THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING BECAUSE IT'S NOT A SALE. IT'S JUST A TRANSFER.

RIGHT? YEAH. SUPPOSEDLY EASIER. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE AND SO CAN. IS IT OKAY IF I JUST KIND OF

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[7. BUSINESS ITEMS]

LYNN MCMANUS CAME IN. WE DID A ROAD ASSESSMENT. WE DID ALL THE ROADS IN TOWN AND WE DID A PRIORITIZATION AND DID A THAT WAS ALL PART OF THE THE LOAN THAT WE WENT AND GOT MONEY AND WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO LOT THIS MUCH FOR ROADS. SO THAT'S SOME OF THE HISTORY STEMMING FROM THAT. ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE IN THERE IS THE BRIDGE STREET. AND I KNOW WE'VE IF YOU RECALL, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS ABOUT, OKAY, WHEN WE DO AND REPAIR STREETS, ARE WE GOING TO REPAIR THEM WITH UTILITIES, WATER, SEWER, ETCETERA, STORM DRAINS, SIDEWALKS, CURB AND GUTTERS, ETC. SO WHAT I BRING FOR YOU TONIGHT, TONIGHT IS TO SPRINGBOARD OFF OF THAT. IN THAT PROJECT, THE BRIDGE STREET WAS ONE THAT WAS IDENTIFIED. IF YOU'LL TURN TO PAGE 116 ON THERE, DON, THERE'S BASICALLY ASSESSMENT THAT WHEN WE WENT DID THIS ASSESSMENT THERE, WE HAD ALL THESE SPREADSHEETS OF ALL THESE STREETS. AND WE GAVE A PRIORITIZATION OF THAT. AND YOU RECALL WE WENT THROUGH THAT AND THE ESTIMATED THE OPK OF THE FROM THE ENGINEERING IS TO REPAIR THAT ROAD. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S OUTLINED IN HIGHLIGHTED IN THE RED AND YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED AREA ON THE GRAPH IS ROUGHLY AROUND $7.6 MILLION. AND THAT IS FOR, AS I SAID, SIDEWALKS, CURB AND GUTTER UTILITIES BEING REPLACED AND REPAIRED AND THEN THE ROAD BEING REPLACED. SO WHAT THE RESOLUTION IS EVOLVING TONIGHT IS FOR TO GO INTO DISCUSSIONS AND NEGOTIATIONS WITH LYNN MCMANUS, WHO DID THIS STUDY BACK THEN TO CONTINUE ON AND DO THE ENGINEERING FOR THAT ROAD. SO WHAT I'M BRINGING ON TO YOU FOR TODAY IS ONLY THE ENGINEERING. SO AND THE. TURN BACK TO IF YOU'LL GO TO PAGE 124 AND I'LL JUST GET TO WHETHER IT'S A BOY OR A GIRL AND THE CONTRACT AND BASICALLY THE CONTRACT BASICALLY WITH LYNN MCMANUS, THAT WE WOULD GO AND DEFINE THE SCOPE AND DESCRIPTION WOULD BE FOR $294,500 FOR THE ENGINEERING AND DESIGN OF BRIDGE STREET, INCLUDING ALL THE UTILITIES, SIDEWALK RIGHT OF WAYS, MAKING SURE ALL THAT IS WITHIN AND GET IT TO OUR STANDARDS. CONCRETE ROADS AND FOR THE DURATION OF SHOWN ON THE GRAPH. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S INVOLVED. AND THIS IS THE CONTINUATION OF THAT ROAD ASSESSMENT SUMMARY. THAT'S WHY THE GO FORWARD AND THE FUNDS FOR THIS WOULD BE COMING OUT. WE TALK ABOUT WHERE'S THE IMPACT FEES THAT WE TALK ABOUT WHERE THEY COME FROM. HERE'S WHERE THEY GO RIGHT BACK IN TO WHERE THEY CAN BE UTILIZED. SO WE'RE GOING TO USE IMPACT FEES FOR THESE ENGINEERING SERVICES.

IS THIS A NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER THE 294 500. YES. ALL RIGHT. AND WE REALLY CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REPAIRS ON THAT ON BRANT UNTIL WE GET THIS ENGINEERING BACK. RIGHT. SO THIS THIS WOULD JUST BE FOR THE ENGINEERING OF THAT. NO I AGREE, BUT YOU IT'D BE HARD TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT THE ENGINEERING. YOU CAN'T. THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. SO CHRIS, MY UNDERSTANDING ABOUT BRIDGE STREET IS THAT IT'S UNIQUE IN THAT IT'S SOME OF THE OLDEST INFRASTRUCTURE IN TOWN, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT UNDERNEATH BRIDGE STREET, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY OLD UTILITIES, PIPES AND DRAINAGE, THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT REALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T PUT ASPHALT OVER. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A FULL

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SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO GO. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF PANDORA'S BOX BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH 100 YEAR OLD PIPES. SO THERE'S NO TELLING WHAT WE'RE GOING TO RUN INTO. SO THIS IS TO TO ACCOMMODATE THE ENGINEERING. AND WE WILL GO BACK WITH A FULL BLOWN SUBBASE PACKET IN NEW FLEX SPACE WITH NEW CONCRETE CURB AND GUTTERS, SIDEWALKS, ETC. IT IS GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY A STRONG, VERY NARROW PATHWAY IN THE RIGHT OF WAY IS GOING TO BE CRUCIAL. SO WE'RE GOING TO WE MIGHT HAVE SOME VARIANCES THERE, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE FIND IN THE TRUE RIGHT OF WAYS, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH PLATTS AND AND REALLY DEFINE THE BOUNDARIES OF HOUSES DOWN THROUGH THERE. IT'S GOING TO BE CHALLENGING. WELL, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THE ROAD WORK, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT RIGHT, WHICH MEANS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE REPAIRED WITH THE PROCESS. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, I APPRECIATE THAT. I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE. YEAH. VELAZQUEZ, SHE'S CHAMPIONED THIS PROJECT FROM DAY ONE. AND THE FACT THAT IT'S FINALLY COMING TO FRUITION, IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.

YOU FOLLOWED THROUGH AND MADE IT HAPPEN. SO CONGRATULATIONS. SHE DIDN'T GIVE UP. HERE'S REALLY IT'S YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE TO TO CREDIT COMMUNITY MEMBERS BECAUSE IT'S IT'S WHETHER, YOU KNOW, ATTENDING A EVENT OR, YOU KNOW, WALKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR EVEN A BIRTHDAY PARTY. THERE IS ALWAYS A QUESTION ABOUT WHEN ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS THE ROAD? AND WE'LL EVEN GET ASKED ABOUT IT AS WALKING OUT THE DOOR AS WELL. SO IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE WE HAVE WE WE HAD ONE MORE EARLIER TODAY. BUT COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT GET TO SEE AND IT'S NOT JUST BRANT STREET, IT'S THE CORNERS OF BLANCHE STREET, LAMAR, PECOS ACROSS THE STREET ON HIGHWAY 34 AS WELL. IT'S ALL THE EMERGENCY SERVICE VEHICLES THAT ARE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET. IT'S ALL OF THE DELIVERY TRUCKS THAT ARE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET. IT'S OUR SCHOOL BUSSES THAT ARE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET, AND I HAVEN'T EVEN MENTIONED THE CARS OF OUR RESIDENTS AND THE THE KIDDOS ON THE BICYCLES THAT ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IT'S IT'S BECAUSE OF OF THEM AND THEIR ADVOCACY AND HOLDING ME ACCOUNTABLE AND HOLDING THE COUNCIL, COUNCIL ACCOUNTABLE FOR ADDRESSING ONE OF THE STREETS, AS YOU MENTIONED, CHRIS, THAT IS IS THE HIGHEST ON THE PRIORITY LIST. AND AND NOT SELECTED BY US TO BE TO TELL THE CITY OR ENGINEERS WHAT'S ON THE PRIORITY LIST.

BUT AND A THIRD PARTY COMPANY WHO DOES ANALYZES LIKE THESE EVERY DAY. SO I HAVE QUESTIONS THAT SAID, THANK YOU, PHIL, FOR. LET ME GET ON MY LITTLE SOAPBOX HERE, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME FOR QUESTIONS FOR QUESTIONS. THE TYPICALLY ENGINEERING DESIGNS LIKE THE WORK THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR. MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT TAKES ABOUT SIX MONTHS FROM THE TIME THAT WE CONTRACT. THEY BEGIN THEIR WORK AND IT TAKES ABOUT SIX MONTHS. THAT'S CORRECT. SO YOU'RE REALLY WANTING TO PUT A TIMELINE TOGETHER? YES. THAT'S REALLY SO I WOULD ESTIMATE THIS. AND I WOULD SAY THE ENGINEERING IS GOING TO TAKE 6 TO 9 MONTHS DEPENDING ON WHAT WE FIND IN THE FIRST. WE GO OUT THERE AND DO SOME INITIAL SURVEYING AND FIND OUT WHAT WE HAVE AND THE KNOWNS OUT THERE. SO WE'LL BE DOING THE INITIAL DESIGN AND I WOULD SAY AROUND 6 TO 9 MONTHS.

SO 6 TO 9 MONTHS YOU GET THE ENGINEERING COMPLETE AND THEN YOU WILL GO OUT FOR AN RFP FOR PROPOSALS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE DESIGN THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED. AND THEN THAT RFP WILL COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, NOW IT COSTS X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS, AND HERE'S THE THREE TO 5 OR 10 BIDS, WHATEVER IT COMES OUT TO BE, WE'LL PRESENT THOSE TO YOU AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. AND THEN WE WILL INITIATE THE REPAIRS ONCE WE AWARD THE CONTRACT. SO YOU'RE LOOKING 6 TO 9 MONTHS FOR ENGINEERING AND I WOULD SAY 12 TO 16 MONTHS FOR TO FOR CONSTRUCTION. SO TIME WISE WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE ACTIVITY GOING ON AROUND THERE, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THE STATE PARK ENTRANCE ROAD WOULD BE COMPLETE BY THE TIME THIS WOULD BE.

BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND MOBILIZE AND JUST START DIGGING DIRT, WHICH WOULD REALLY HELP

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THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL ACCIDENTS THERE. I THINK SAMSUNG WOULD BACK US UP ON THAT, AND THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THOSE CONCERNS, WHICH WOULD BE ANOTHER BENEFIT THAT I JUST WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR GETTING THIS ACROSS THE FINISH LINE AS FAR AS TO HAVE IT TODAY, TONIGHT, WHERE WE CAN DO WHAT WE CAN DO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ENGINEERING. I WANT TO THANK OUR CITIZENS FOR THEIR PATIENCE FOR THE STATE HOSPITAL EMPLOYEES. THEY HAVE BEEN SUPER, SUPER PATIENT WITH THIS PROJECT. ALSO, I'M REMINDED OF A PROJECT WE DID A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO ON HERESY. IT WAS ONLY LIKE 1.2 MILLION, BUT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO THOSE PEOPLE IN THAT COMMUNITY. BUT SO MANY PEOPLE USE BREN. IT'S LIKE A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE. NEXT SATURDAY WHEN WE HAVE A CHRISTMAS PARADE. THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE GOING WHEN WE HAVE THE ROAD SHUT DOWN. SO I'M VERY HAPPY WITH THIS, AND I'M HAPPY FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU'VE REALLY FOUGHT AND CHAMPIONED FOR THIS A LONG TIME. SO CONGRATULATIONS.

WE NEED TO DO MORE AND MORE AND MORE. BUT THIS IS A GOOD START AS WE CONTINUE TO PROPEL AND AND GROW AND SNOWBALL AS YOU, SO OUR CITIZENS CAN SEE THAT WE'RE WORKING TO TAKE CARE OF OUR STREETS AND TO GET THEM IN A BETTER PLACE. AND, YOU KNOW, THE THE ONCE WE DO THE REPAIRS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY FOR MUCH LONGER PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE OF THE NEW ENTRANCE INTO THE STATE HOSPITAL. SO IT'S A WIN WIN FOR EVERYBODY. GOOD. SO THE ITEM IS RESOLUTION NUMBER TWO, TWO SEVEN, EIGHT AND A NUMBER NOT TO EXCEED $294,500. IS THERE A MOTION MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2278, IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 294 $500,000? HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MARIANI VELASQUEZ, DISTRICT THREE, A SECOND FROM PHIL ROBERTSON OR MAYOR PRO TEM FROM DISTRICT FIVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2278, AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $294,500. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 7.2 DISCUSSIONS. CONSIDER FY 2026 PARK DEPARTMENT CAPITAL EXPENDITURES. RAYLAN. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL, IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD, WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MUNICIPAL POOL THIS EVENING.

WHAT I KNOW, SHOCKER, WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP THAT A SECRET. I WANTED TO OPEN TONIGHT BY FIRST MAKING SURE THAT Y'ALL REALIZE THAT PERCY, DID SHERRY HAVE TO GO TO HER TRAINING? YEAH. SO SHERRY IS ATTENDING ONLINE TRAINING, SO SHE WAS IN HERE FOR AS LONG AS SHE COULD. BUT PERCY IS HERE. YOU HAVE SUCH AN AMAZING PARK DEPARTMENT. AND I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO LET ME WORK WITH THEM. WE HAVE BRAINSTORMED DIFFERENT IDEAS, AND Y'ALL KNOW ME. YOU KNOW ME WELL ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT IF I KNOW SOMETHING, I'M GOING TO LET Y'ALL KNOW. AND SO IN 2 OR 3 WEEKS, WE HAVE UNCOVERED A LOT OF JUST INFORMATION AND EXPENSES. AND SO WHAT I'M BRINGING TO YOU TONIGHT IS A CONVERSATION PIECE MORE THAN ANYTHING, BECAUSE I'VE NOTICED THAT IN YEARS PAST, MAYBE IT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION. THE CAPITAL EXPENSES FOR THE POOL. I KNOW THAT THE OPERATING BUDGET HAS REMAINED THE SAME. WE DO HAVE SOME PRETTY EXPENSIVE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO TAKE PLACE AT THE POOL. ARE THEY ALL HITTING AT ONE TIME? IT APPEARS AS SUCH, BUT WE'RE ALL TRYING TO DO BETTER. WE ALL WANT TO PROVIDE BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND SO THE LISTED UPGRADES AND THE LISTED ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE PACKET THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH, THAT IS WHAT'S BEEN DETERMINED BY STAFF. AND IT'S BEEN AN ONGOING LIST. SO JUST TO CLEAR UP SOME CONFUSION, I WANTED TO SAY THAT THE CITY STAFF, WE DID REACH OUT TO AN AQUATIC CONSULTANT, AND THAT WAS SOMEONE THAT WORKED WITH THE TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE, AND THAT WAS JUST TO ASSIST WITH IDEAS AND BRAINSTORMING OF THE POOL FACILITY. I THINK SOMETIMES WE GET SO TUNNELED INTO WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEONE IN THE WORLD OF TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE COMES AND LOOKED AT OUR COMMUNITY PARK AND MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN THERE. SO TONIGHT, THIS IS NOT AN EITHER OR DISCUSSION.

IT'S A CONVERSATION ABOUT BALANCE. WE DEFINITELY RECOGNIZE THAT THE POOL IS

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AT NO POINT IS STAFF REQUESTING TO CLOSE THE POOL. WE JUST WANT TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT ON THE FUNDING THAT WE WILL BE COMING TO YOU FOR THIS YEAR AND MORE YEARS AHEAD. SO WHENEVER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING A QUARTER MILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT, I THINK IT IS WORTH A CONVERSATION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL STILL ON THE SAME PAGE AND THAT NO ONE IS SHOCKED WHEN NEXT YEAR, I HAVE ANOTHER LIST OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE, SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CLEAR UP ANY CONFUSION. ALL RIGHT, SO, ROLAND, AT WHAT POINT WOULD YOU, A STAFF MEMBER, COME TO THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT MAYBE IT'S TIME THAT WE LOOK AT A NEW POOL WITH NEW AMENITIES, SPLASH PADS, THE WHOLE. FULL NEW POOL IN A NEW LOCATION, MAYBE, OR MAYBE AT THE SAME LOCATION, RATHER THAN SPENDING A LOT ON DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. AND HOW SOON COULD WE DO THAT? SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS THAT I WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOU IN FISCAL YEAR 26, BECAUSE IN MY MIND, SPENDING OVER $200,000 FOR A FILTRATION SYSTEM FOR A POOL THAT MAY OR MAY NOT FIT YOUR CURRENT NEEDS, I THINK THE TIME

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BUT IF WE WERE GOING TO EXPEND DO A LOAN, FOR EXAMPLE, AND WE SPREAD IT OVER A 20 YEAR PERIOD, HOW LONG WHEN DID WE BUILD THIS POOL? AND THE BEST WE CAN FIGURE IT DATES BACK TO THE 70S.

SO IN THE 70S. SO THE LIFE OF IT IS 2030 YEARS. AND IF WE IF WE TOOK OUT A LOAN FOR 10 MILLION, $11 MILLION AND WE PAID IT OUT OVER 30 YEAR PERIOD, WOULDN'T WE? DOES THAT MAKE MARK, WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? IS THAT DOABLE? IF FOR EVERY MILLION DOLLARS YOU ISSUE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $100,000 A YEAR IN DEBT SERVICE, RIGHT. SO FOR A $10 MILLION PROJECT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT $1 MILLION A YEAR IN DEBT SERVICE FOR A $10 MILLION PROJECT. PLUS, YOU'LL PROBABLY BE ANOTHER THIRD HIGHER THAN THAT BASED ON YOUR INTEREST COST. SO YOU PROBABLY WILL BE LOOKING IN THE 13 TO $14 MILLION RANGE IF YOU WERE TO GET FUNDED FOR THE TOTAL COST. YEAH. YEAH. WITH INTEREST. YES. YEAH. GOTCHA. SO BUT THE DEBT SERVICE IS WHAT ANNUALLY DO WE KNOW THE DEBT SERVICE WOULD RUN YOU A MILLION FOR EVERY MILLION DOLLARS THAT YOU ISSUE YOUR DEBT SERVICE AT ON A 5% LOAN IS GOING TO RUN YOU ABOUT $100,000 FOR EVERY MILLION. SO IF YOU'RE ISSUING 10.5 MILLION, YOU'RE LOOKING AT. MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IN DEBT SERVICE. NO, NO, NOT FOR 30 YEARS. THAT WOULDN'T THAT'D BE $30 MILLION. $1 MILLION A YEAR.

THAT THAT'S. SORRY, I'M DOING IT. I'M DOING IT BASED ON 20, OH, 20 YEARS. YEAH, I WAS DOING IT BASED ON 20. SORRY. SO 20 MILLION? NO, $20 MILLION WITH WITH WITH YOUR INTEREST ON A 20 YEAR ON A 20 YEAR NOTE WOULD RUN YOU ABOUT $100,000 A YEAR. RIGHT. AND THAT'S THAT'S WITH INTEREST, PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST. YES. OKAY. NOW THAT SOUNDS THAT'S MORE LIKE IT.

WELL, I, I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE AND MAYBE WE DO WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE REPAIRS SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE SOMETHING. BUT AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON WHERE AS A CITY AND WHAT DO WE WANT FOR THE FUTURE. I, WE YEAH, I MEAN IT'S HAD A IT'S LIFE.

IT'S IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD A POOL TODAY, YOU DON'T BUILD IT LIKE WE DID IN 1970 OR 1980.

RIGHT, RIGHT. AND THE EQUIPMENT WOULD BE BETTER, LONGER LIFE. IT'D BE A I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT AS AN OPTION FOR US. I WOULD YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT FIX THE FILTRATION SYSTEM. AND I LIKE THE IDEA THAT YOU HAVE. YOU'RE ALSO CONSIDERING AT THE SAME TIME PROJECTS IN THE SUMMER FOR EACH DIFFERENT PARK, FOR EACH DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT LET'S REPAIR. I'M OF THE ILK TO REPAIR THE FILTRATION SYSTEM WITH THE CAVEAT OF WE NEED A NEW POOL. I REMEMBER THAT POOL AND I'M NOT A SPRING CHICKEN, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT. OKAY? AND WE'RE NOT ANY OTHER CITY, BUT IT IT DOES GET OVER 100 DEGREES. BUT I'M ALSO PARTICIPATE IN THE LIBRARY'S READING PROGRAM. AND THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE AND ADULTS ENJOY THE POOL PARTY AT THE END OF THE 100 DEGREE WEATHER. POOLS. ARE THERE FUN? AND LET'S LET'S. I'D LIKE THE STAFF TO BECAUSE OUR PARK PEOPLE KNOW THIS. THEY KNOW HOW EVERYTHING WORKS. AND I'M WILLING I'M GOING TO SAY THIS FOR THE RECORD, I'M WILLING TO LOSE THE

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LET ME KNOW. WE THEY DO WANT A POOL. AND I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE THEM A PRODUCT THAT THEY CAN BE PROUD OF, AND NOT ONE THAT'S JUST BEEN SITTING AROUND SINCE THE 70S, YOU KNOW, AND NOT BEING MAINTAINED. SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT. AGAIN, LET'S GET THE NECESSARY THINGS FIXED FOR NEXT SEASON SO WE CAN OPEN AND THEN BEGIN EXPLORING. HOW DO WE BUILD SOMETHING NEW IN THE FUTURE THAT WE'RE PROUD OF? YOU ARE THE MAN. YOU'RE THE MAN FOR YOU. I WANT YOU TO KNOW IT. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M NOT TRYING TO ASK HARD QUESTIONS. WE THINK ABOUT IF WE INVESTED INTO NEW POOL WITH THE SIZE BE ABOUT THE SAME, WOULD IT BE BIGGER WITH THOSE NUMBERS? WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? THEY WOULD PROBABLY. AND SO PART OF THE REASON THAT WE WENT AHEAD AND REACHED OUT TO TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE IS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US IDEAS THAT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT, AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT OUR POPULATION SIZE, ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS, BUT ALSO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT AMENITIES THAT ARE THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN WHAT'S BEING BUILT. ALSO, I WOULD ASSUME THAT YOU END UP WITH AT LEAST THAT SIZE. YES.

OKAY. BUT YEAH, LIKE TO PHIL'S POINT, THERE'S SO MANY ADD ONS. THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO FOR DIFFERENT AGE GROUPS THAT I THINK YOU'LL HAVE. YOU'LL BE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT YOU'LL GET BACK. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THINK GOVERNMENT HAS A LOT OF MONEY. SO WHATEVER NUMBERS THEY GIVE US, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET LOWER. OH FOR SURE. YEAH. A COUPLE MORE THINGS WITH THE OTHER OPTION. FULL RENOVATION WITH THE BATHHOUSE AND AMENITY UPGRADES. WHAT WOULD BE THE LIFE OF THAT IF WE OPTED FOR THAT? I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A. SO HONESTLY, WITH THAT FULL RENOVATION, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE DRAINING THE POOL, YOU'RE RECASTING EVERYTHING. YOU'RE ACTUALLY GETTING THE DECKING. SO IN THEORY, YOU'RE BASICALLY STARTING OVER AND WITH A VERY CONSISTENT MAINTENANCE PLAN, YOU'RE GOING TO I MEAN, THESE ARE SEVERAL YEAR INVESTMENTS. IT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOTHING FOR A POOL TO LAST YOU 20 OR 30 YEARS.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD JUST BE IN PERCY'S MAN FOR THAT. HE KNOWS HOW TO TAKE CARE OF STUFF.

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YEAH I DON'T I KNOW THEY'RE EXPENSIVE. SO A QUESTION AND WE HAVE NOT WE'VE NOT ASKED THIS QUESTION. BUT IF WHAT YOU ARE WANTING TO DO IS EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS AND YOU ARE WANTING TO LOOK AT THIS, WE COULD ASK THE EXPERTS, WHAT COULD WE DO TO LIMP ALONG ANOTHER YEAR? IT'S NOT WHAT I WOULD STAND HERE AND RECOMMEND IF I THOUGHT THAT Y'ALL JUST WANTED TO KEEP THIS POOL, BUT YOU KNOW, A SMALLER INVESTMENT MAY BE A POSSIBILITY, BUT I MAKE NO, I MAKE NO PROMISES BECAUSE EVIDENTLY THIS FILTER IN PARTICULAR HAS BEEN NEEDED FOR THREE YEARS, SO IT'S NOT DUE AT HALFWAY, RIGHT? THIS IS A POOL WITH WATER AND THINGS HAPPEN. OKAY. YOU KNOW, WE WANT IT TO FILTER RIGHT CORRECTLY. LET'S JUST KEEP THE STANDARDS HIGH AND PRAISE GOD FOR 15 YEARS. THANKS. SO EXCLUDING THE OTHER REPAIRS OR THE OTHER NEEDED MAINTENANCE, IN OTHER WORDS, LOCKER ROOMS AND ALL OF THAT BATHROOM, STUFF LIKE THAT, JUST DOING WHAT WOULD GET US SAFELY OPERATIONAL. DO WE HAVE A NUMBER FOR THAT? WOULD IT JUST BE THE FILTRATION SYSTEM, OR IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER? NO, WE WOULD NEED TO DO SOME OF THE DECKING REPAIRS. WE ALSO NEED TO MOVE OUR CHEMICAL BOX. SO APPROXIMATELY AN ADDITIONAL $20,000 OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE, WE HAVE WINDOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, NEED TO BE REPLACED THERE. THERE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE THERE. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING ALL THE ADA NEEDS AND ANY ROOF REPAIRS. SO I WOULD ASSUME THE 140 PLUS AN ADDITIONAL 20,000 WOULD GET THAT BUILDING SAFE AND SECURE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. OUR POOL OPENS UP. AND WHEN? MAY JUNE. RIGHT. SO IF WE WERE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A TIMELINE, WE WOULD NEED TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON THIS FUNDING, WHEN FOR IT TO BE INSTALLED AND IN OPERATION. I HAVE A DATE CIRCLED ON MY CALENDAR AND IT'S JANUARY 16TH IS THE LAST DAY WE CAN ORDER THE FILTRATION SYSTEM, SO WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT IF WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOU. AND WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER OPTION EXCEPT FOR TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE OPEN IN JUNE, JUNE THE 1ST. RIGHT. OKAY. AND I DO WANT TO KEEP THE POOL. YEAH I AGREE. OKAY. RIGHT. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? ANYONE ELSE DID? DID YOU MENTION IS THE FUNDING FOR THE FILTRATION SYSTEM. IS IT ALREADY BUDGETED FOR. WOULD IT BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE BUDGET? YOU WILL RECEIVE A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND, A BUDGET AMENDMENT. AND MY MY LAPTOP DIED. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO RECALL THE THE NUMBERS HERE. SO ON THE SCREEN, WHAT IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD PAY THIS YEAR TO TO MAKE SURE THE POOL STAYS OPEN FOR THE SUMMER.

ESTIMATING 140 FOR THE FILTRATION AND ADDITIONAL 20,000. SO $160,000 WOULD BE THE TOTAL REQUEST FOR THIS FOR FUNDING FOR THIS YEAR. OKAY. AND THAT WOULD COME FORWARD IN IN AN AMENDMENT. YES, MA'AM. THERE GOES HER ENGINEERING. YEAH. CANCEL BRIDGE STREET.

THAT'S IMPACT THE THAT'S IT. THAT ONE'S ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF. OKAY. BECAUSE I, I I'M, I'M

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AND THE RESEARCH THAT I DID, YOU HAVE BOTH CLOSING OF POOLS HAPPENING LIKE IN LONGVIEW, TEXAS, BECAUSE OF OF THE COST TO RUN A, A POOL. AND AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAVE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ARE BUILDING NEW POOLS. IT WAS SOMETHING I'VE HEARD FROM FROM STAFF AND FROM OTHERS ARE WHAT ABOUT IF WE HAD A POOL THAT WAS AVAILABLE ALL YEAR ROUND, NOT ONLY THE SUMMER, AND WHAT WOULD THAT BRING IN MORE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. SO WE WILL SEE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, HIGHER NUMBERS AT THE POOL. AND WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU THAT ALSO COMES WITH THE COST, RIGHT. IT COMES WITH THE COST. AND AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THE, THE HARD CONVERSATION OF HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY THROUGH THAT. HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THOSE THINGS, WHETHER IT'S A LIBRARY, WHETHER IT'S A DOG PARK, A STREET, A NEW AQUATIC CENTER, REFURBISHING CURRENT POOL, YOU KNOW, OUR RESIDENTS GOING TO SUPPORT US THROUGH A BOND ELECTION. AND WHAT DO THEY WANT TO PRIORITIZE? IS IT LOANS? IS IT IS IT REASONABLE AND FEASIBLE? IS IT A MIX OF ALL THREE, ALL THREE, INCLUDING OUR GENERAL REVENUE? SO I, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ALL THE THE INFORMATION WE NEED TO DATE TO MAKE A LONG TERM DECISION. BUT KEEPING THE POOL OPEN FOR THE SUMMER IS SOMETHING THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS SHOWN THAT THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO, TO HAVE HAPPEN. SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF OF MAKING THAT HAPPEN. AND I KNOW THAT COULD AFFECT OTHER PROJECTS THAT MAYBE SOME OF US WERE LOOKING FORWARD TO. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS REALLY SHARED THAT THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE. AND I HOPE THAT THEY WILL COME BACK OUT STRONGLY NEXT TIME. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STORMWATER, WHICH ISN'T SOMETHING YOU CAN ALWAYS SEE. YOU CAN SEE A PARK BECAUSE IT'S OUT ON TOP, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE ALL THE THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE UNDERNEATH. AND WHAT CAN HAPPEN ASIDE FROM JUST THE THE SMELL IF WE DON'T GET THOSE ADDRESSED AS WELL? WELL, LIKE I SAID, I'M I'M GOING TO BRING YOU ALL ALONG WITH ME. SO WHAT WHAT WE FIND OUT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. AND, RAYLAN, HOPE NOBODY CALLS A POINT OF ORDER HERE BECAUSE I FOR WEEKS I'VE HAD A PRIOR COMMITMENT, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO TO BE HERE TONIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO HEAD OUT HERE SHORTLY.

BUT I KNOW THERE'S ANOTHER PARK ITEM ON THE AGENDA TODAY. AND I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WHETHER IT'S I DON'T THINK YOU CAN ADDRESS IT, IT'S WE GOTTA WAIT TILL WE GET TO THAT. CAN WE MOVE REALLY QUICK? I'M SORRY. YEAH. SO, HEY, REAL QUICK. I WANTED SOMETHING QUICK. OKAY, LET'S GO REAL QUICK. ALL RIGHT. IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY, MARK, DOES THAT GIVE YOU HEARTBURN THAT WE HAVE TO DO AMENDMENT FOR OUR FINANCIAL FOR THE 160,000? YOU FEEL OKAY. BUT THERE ARE THERE ARE DIFFERENT SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT. I'M NEVER AFRAID OF A BUDGET AMENDMENT.

AND IT'S NOT COOL. THAT'S WHAT I WANT. I WANTED TO QUICKLY REITERATE TO TO COUNCILMAN'S POINT ABOUT THIS BEING AN AMENITY THAT WE ONLY REALLY GET TO USE OUR COMMUNITY THREE MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR. SO WE'RE WE'RE INVESTING SO MUCH MONEY ON SOMETHING WE ONLY USE FOR THREE MONTHS. RIGHT? I WOULD LOVE TO TO VERY IN DEPTH EXPLORE, YOU KNOW, A SOLUTION.

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COOL. THE COMMUNITY AGREED. SO JUST I WANT TO CLARIFY IS YOUR IS YOUR REQUEST 160,000 OR IS IT 180,000 SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK? IT'S NOT TO EXCEED 160. AND THIS IS JUST FOR POOL MAINTENANCE. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION. THAT WOULD BE THE MOTION WITHOUT A CUSHION. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK. YOU'RE PRETTY FIRM ON THAT.

ABSOLUTELY. SO THE MOTION WOULD BE 100 AND NOT TO EXCEED $160,000 FOR POOL MAINTENANCE.

IS THERE A MOTION MOTION TO OKAY. SO I HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION FROM STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS DISTRICT FOR SECOND FROM PHIL ROBERTSON, OUR MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT FIVE, TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDED POOL MAINTENANCE IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 160,000. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I, I ANY OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

COUNCILWOMAN. IF WE COULD MOVE UP THAT ITEM THAT THE COUNCIL. YES. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO GO. IS IT. WHAT WHAT, ADAM, ARE YOU TALKING 7.4? 7.4 IS WITHOUT EXCEPT SOCCER FIELDS. IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO SUSPENDING THE RULES AND MOVING TO 7.5, 7.4, 7.4, 7.5, 4.7.4. ALL RIGHT. ANY OBJECTION? HEARING NONE. SO MOVED 7.4 DISCUSSING CONSIDER UPDATES OF FACILITY USE AGREEMENT FOR PARK FACILITIES AND PROGRAMING. GO AHEAD. SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A LIST OF ALL THE FACILITY USE AGREEMENTS THAT THE CITY OF TERRELL IS CURRENTLY UNDER. I LISTED OUT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ASSOCIATIONS AND ORGANIZATIONS. IF YOU'LL RECALL, THERE HAS BEEN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT MEMBERS IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO FEEL AS THOUGH THEY DO NOT HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO SOME OF OUR FIELDS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THESE FACILITY USE AGREEMENTS. SO AFTER TALKING WITH STAFF, WE WE BELIEVE THAT THE TERRELL ISD AND THE YOUTH SOCCER LEAGUE, BECAUSE THAT KIND OF IS AN OPERATING AGREEMENT OF ITSELF, BECAUSE THEY HANDLE THAT PROGRAM FOR US, THAT THE TISD FACILITY USE AGREEMENT WOULD REMAIN BECAUSE OF THE SOCCER FIELDS THAT ARE DEDICATED JUST FOR THE SOCCER PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO RUN FOR US.

THE OTHER FÜRS STAFF IS UNDER IS STAFF IS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IF WE MOVED TO A STRICTLY RESERVATION TYPE SYSTEM WHERE EVERYONE HAS FREE PLAYING TIME, AND AS LONG AS THEIR SCHEDULES ARE GOOD, THAT YOU CAN COME IN AND YOU CAN RESERVE THESE FIELDS. BUT WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ALLOWING THE SAME FIELD RESERVATIONS FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN A CONCERN OF Y'ALL'S, AND I KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE PARK BOARD BEFORE AS WELL. SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE CANCEL THE REMAINING FACILITY USE AGREEMENTS THAT ARE UP IN FEBRUARY AND ALLOW TO ALLOW STAFF TO IMPLEMENT A CENTRALIZED SCHEDULING AND PROGRAM MANAGEMENT FOR THE CITY PARK SYSTEM. SO AM I HEARING YOU RIGHT THAT THESE FACILITY AGREEMENTS ARE. UP IN FEBRUARY? YES, SIR. WE'RE NOT CUTTING ANYBODY SHORT. THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE UP IN FEBRUARY. THEY WOULD HAVE. THAT'S ONE THING. HERE'S WHAT I WOULD TELL THE COUNCIL. I, I RECOGNIZE AND I THINK WE ALL DO, THAT THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF FIELDS FOR THE SIZE OF THIS COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S FOOTBALL FIELDS, BASKETBALL, BASEBALL, PICKLEBALL, YOU NAME IT. WE WE HAVE A SHORTAGE. SO THE NEXT OPTION IS HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THEY'RE AVAILABLE TO RUN THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE ORGANIZED WITHIN THE CITY? WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT FIRST AND THEN OPEN THEM UP TO NON LEAGUE USE. AND THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS TO HAVE THE LEAGUE GO AHEAD AND SCHEDULE A TIME FOR RESERVATION AND THEN LET EVERYBODY ELSE MOVE FORWARD. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YES, YES.

SO THE SO THE LEAGUES WOULD STILL HAVE FIRST DIBS. LEAGUES WOULD STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESERVE. BUT THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SAY I WANT EVERY SEASON, EVERY FIELD, THE ENTIRE SEASON. HAVE WE DISCUSSED ANY OF THIS WITH THESE LEAGUES, OR IS THIS THE FIRST TIME THEY'RE GOING TO BE HEARING ABOUT IT AS WELL? WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE BROUGHT THIS TO YOU FIRST, OKAY. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN AGREEMENT THAT THEY WANT THE FACILITY USE AGREEMENT. IT'S A LOT EASIER ON THE LEAGUES, BUT WOULD CHANGE WHAT WOULD CHANGE IN THE IN THE AGREEMENT, WHAT WOULD CHANGE FOR THE LEAGUES.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET ONLINE. THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THEIR SCHEDULES READY. SO IF THEY WANTED TO DO A TOURNAMENT, THEY WOULD NEED TO LET US KNOW BEFOREHAND. BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT RESERVED THIS WEEKEND, THERE MAY BE SOMEONE ELSE THAT'S NOT A LEAGUE THAT

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SO I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS. IT MAY BE IN YOU MAY HAVE GIVEN ME ALL OF THIS, GIVEN US ALL OF THIS INFORMATION. I'M NOT SURE. SO WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH AN UPDATE TO THE FEE ORDINANCE AND ALSO THE PACKETS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER. AND SO WE'LL WORK THROUGH A LOT OF THOSE DETAILS. WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE HEADED IN THE CORRECT DIRECTION. OKAY. IT IS GOING TO REQUIRE US TO UPDATE SOME POLICIES. LET ME LET THE COUNCILWOMAN GO FIRST BECAUSE SHE'S GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET HERS IN THE RECORD. MAYOR RONNIE AND AND APOLOGIZE. REALLY, I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW. AND MAYBE THE BEST WAY TO DO SO IS TO TRY TO PRETEND I'M LIKE SOMEONE THAT'S THAT'S TRYING TO TO REGISTER TO. AND I'M GOING TO PICK ON, I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SOCCER. SOCCER. RIGHT. BECAUSE WHEN I, WHEN I GO TO CHARLIE WHITE PARK, I SEE A FOOTBALL TEAM, AND THEN I SEE TWO TEAMS OF SOCCER GROUPS PLAYING. RIGHT. AND THEN WHEN I GO WALK OVER AT BINGO PARK, I SEE DIFFERENT SPORTS. I SEE THE FOOTBALL FIELD ARE ARE FULL AND OUR LITTLE ONES ARE PLAYING THERE. BASEBALL, SOFTBALL, THEY'RE OUT THERE PLAYING AND AND HAVING GAMES. PICKLEBALL IS HAPPENING. THERE'S SOME SOME TENNIS PLAYERS OUT THERE. AND THEN WHEN I LOOK IN BETWEEN THE POOL THAT WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT JUST RECENTLY, AND THEN I LOOK AT THE VOLLEYBALL NETS, WHICH IS A IF IF YOU ALL KNOW WHAT WHERE, WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S A VERY SMALL AREA COMPARED TO OUR. OUR SOCCER FIELDS AND EVEN COMPARED TO THE, THE, THE OPEN FIELD THAT'S AT ARLEY WHITE. BUT YET YOU HAVE TWO TEAMS THAT HAVE LITTLE ONES THAT ARE OUT THERE PRACTICING. SO THAT TELLS ME AND REAFFIRMS WHAT THE MAYOR SAID EARLIER, THAT WE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SOCCER FIELDS. AND AND FOR ME, IT'S IMPORTANT TO TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. AND I DON'T WANT TO FOCUS AND LASER IN ON, WELL, IS IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE TISD AND AND OR I DON'T WANT TO LABEL AND SAY, WELL, THE PROGRAMS THAT TISD ARE RUNNING IN TERMS OF SOCCER FIELDS, DO YOU HAVE STUDENTS FROM THE CITY OF TAROT AND THEN STUDENTS FROM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY TAROT OR THE THE LEAGUES, THE GROUPS THAT ARE PLAYING IN BETWEEN THE THE POOL AND THE VOLLEYBALL NETS ARE BOTH THE CITY, CITY OF OF TAROT STUDENTS OR OUTSIDE. BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS THAT THEY BOTH HAVE BOTH TYPE OF STUDENTS. AND SO I WANT TO BE FAIR, AND THE ACCESS TO THE FIELDS, BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE JUST TRYING TO GET OUTSIDE AND, AND PRACTICE AND, AND USE A, A GOOD ENOUGH FIELD TO GET OUT AND BE HEALTHY AND ENJOY TIME. AND AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR, TO

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BUT IF YOU WANT TO PUT YOUR NAME ON FIELD FOR WHICH IS LOCATED AT THIS LOCATION, THEN THE HERE'S YOUR LINK TO RESERVE THAT FIELD. AND SO WHAT YOU'LL HAVE IS A MAP AND A LIST OF ALL OF THE FIELDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO PUT YOUR NAME DOWN AT A PARTICULAR TIME. IT'S NOT GOING TO CONTROL ALL OF THE OPEN PLAY AREAS. SO WHEN YOU SAY OKAY. AND I'M JUST MAKING THE ASSUMPTION THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO MAGICALLY TAKE CARE OF EVERYBODY THAT MAY WANT TO RESERVE A FEW, IT WILL PROVIDE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR A LEAGUE TO A FAMILY THAT'S TRYING TO USE A TOURNAMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, A NONPROFIT IS IS HOSTING TO BE ABLE TO TO RESERVE THAT FIELD, BECAUSE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AT THIS TIME HAS A SET NUMBER OF FIELDS. AND HOW MANY FIELDS DO THEY HAVE? I DON'T HAVE THAT. I DON'T HAVE IT SPECIFICALLY LISTED. WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE SOCCER FIELDS. I THINK IT'S LIKE THE FIRST FOR A THIRD. DO THEY HAVE A THIRD, A HALF A A FOURTH OF OF ALL OF THOSE FIELDS? DO WE HAVE, I DON'T KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT IT IS THE FIELDS CLOSEST TO THE EXCEL CENTER TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF OF HOW MUCH IS IS TRULY AVAILABLE FOR, FOR REGISTRATION. SO THEN THIS WOULD BE OUR FIRST STEP TO TRY TO TRY TO PROVIDE SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR. IT'LL ALLOW US TO GO IN AND IDENTIFY THOSE AREAS, AND IT'LL GIVE YOU ALL A REALLY GOOD PICTURE OF THE NUMBER OF FIELDS THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE AVAILABLE. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING FORWARD. YES, MA'AM. THIS IS NOT I DON'T NEED TO MAKE IT THAT COMPLICATED. IT'S OKAY. WE WILL. I'M SORRY. SO MY ONLY CONCERN IS. THE REASON WE HAVE THE APPEARANCE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE IS BECAUSE THOSE SOCCER FIELDS WITH THE WITH THE LIGHTING OF THE AIRPORT. IS EMPTY. SO HERE'S MY THING. PUT THOSE FIELDS ON THAT LIST AND THEY GO ON THE LIST. THEY ARE NOT GOLDEN TO ANYBODY.

THEY ARE FOR US. SO EVERYBODY CAN LIGHT UP THE ENTIRE COLQUITT NINTH STREET AND PLAY SOCCER. THERE'S MORE THAN FOUR FIELDS. YOU PUT THE LITTLE ONES ON THERE. WE GOT EIGHT. LET'S USE THEM. AND AND ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THE ANDERSON LEAGUE. THE JONES LEAGUE I DON'T CARE. OR FAMILY OF SIX CAN RESERVE. EVERYBODY GETS TO PLAY AND WE GET TO USE THE AIRPORT. MY CONCERN IS SIMPLE AND THIS IS WHY THIS IS LONG OVERDUE. WE HAVE TAX PAYING CITIZENS WHO ARE GOING TO A FIELD THAT THEIR TAX DOLLARS PAY TO MAINTAIN, AND THEY'RE BEING TOLD YOU CAN'T USE THE FIELD. AND THAT'S GOT TO STOP, YOU KNOW. SO THAT TO ME IS WHY THIS IS THIS AGREEMENT HAS NEVER BEEN FAIR. IT'S GOT TO CHANGE. AND I THINK THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT IS TO HAVE IT. IT'S JUST FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED. YOU BOOK IT IF YOUR LEAGUE BOOKS IT FIRST, IF DONNA RENEE BOOKS AT FIRST BECAUSE SHE'S GOING TO END UP PLAYING THERE, THAT'S FINE TOO. JUST WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU GOT TO DO. BUT THE BUT I THINK GOING FORWARD, THE ONLY RED FLAG THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN IS WHAT THE MAYOR BROUGHT UP, HOW YOU ENFORCE IT. BECAUSE LET'S SAY TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES ARRIVE AT THE FIELD AND SAY, I'VE GOT IT BOOKED OR I AND I'VE GOT IT BOOKED, OR I WANT TO BE, I WANT TO BE. HOW DO YOU

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SO IF THERE IS A CONFLICT SOMEONE IS ON CALL. SOMEONE WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY WHO ACTUALLY IS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE FIELD. OKAY, GREAT. I FULLY SUPPORT THIS. I THINK IT'S LONG OVERDUE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ABSOLUTELY. I THINK I UNDERSTAND IT, I'M NOT SURE IF I REALLY DO, BUT I DO WANT OUR CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO USE OUR FIELDS. MAYBE NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT SOME OF THEM WE GOT TO HAVE SOME. YES, I WAS KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT THIS RESPONSE FROM YOU WHEN THE MAYOR ASKED ABOUT, HAVE WE TALKED TO ANY OF THESE ASSOCIATIONS OF PEOPLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE KIND OF TAKING THE FIELDS FROM? AND WE WE DIDN'T HAVE A DIALOG WITH THEM? I DON'T WANT TO THINK WE JUST I COMMUNICATION IS SUPER IMPORTANT AND IT HELPS. I WAS NOT COMFORTABLE SAYING ANYTHING TO THEM BECAUSE I DID NOT KNOW HOW Y'ALL WOULD. SO HOW YOU WOULD RESPOND. SO I DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE THEM A RED FLAG AND Y'ALL SAY NO, THE AGREEMENTS STAY IN PLACE. AND YEAH, SO LET'S LET'S MAKE SURE FOR THE RECORD, THERE WAS NO INTENT TO GO AROUND OR CIRCUMVENT THE LEAGUES, WHICH IS A GOOD POINT, COUNCILWOMAN. IT'S JUST THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THE CART, THE HORSE RIGHT CART BEFORE THE HORSE. RIGHT. AND SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL PUT A GOOD POLICY AND PROCEDURE TOGETHER THAT'LL COME BACK HERE TO Y'ALL. AND THEN I CAN KIND OF EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW WE WILL ROLL OUT THE CONVERSATION TO THE LEAGUES, HOW HOW WE'LL PITCH IT, I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, THAT AND, YOU KNOW, PHIL'S REAL BIG ABOUT THIS IS MAKING SURE THAT WE COMMUNICATE WITH THEM SO THAT THERE'S NO AND THE COUNCILWOMAN TO SO THAT THERE'S NO. WAY THAT THAT IT CAN BE MISCONSTRUED. MY MY DEAL IS I'M ALL FOR BEING ORGANIZED AND HAVING A WAY TO WHERE SOMEBODY CAN LOOK AND SAY, HEY, TUESDAY NIGHT AT 7 P.M. THIS TEAM'S GOING TO BE THERE OR THAT TEAM'S GOING TO BE THERE. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL. YOU ALSO NEED TO HAVE IN PLACE, THOUGH, LOOK, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT AND YOU HAVE YOU HAVE IT RESERVED, YOUR TEAM HAS IT RESERVED THAT IF YOU CANCEL PRACTICE, YOU NEED TO PUT IT ON, THAT YOU NEED TO TAKE YOUR NAME OFF OF THERE SO SOMEBODY CAN UTILIZE IT AND THAT THOSE FIELDS DON'T GO TO WASTE BECAUSE I, AS A COACH SAID, HEY, EVERY TUESDAY AT 7:00, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND RESERVE IT, AND THEN I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO PRACTICE, RIGHT. SO AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE WORKED OUT, AND I'M OKAY WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH SOME FORM OF IT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE LEAGUES INPUT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE CITY'S INPUT. AND THEN COME BACK WITH SOMETHING FOR US. BUT TO TONIGHT, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? SO I DID MISSPEAK IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDED ACTION. SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE NON-RENEWAL OF THE FACILITY USE AGREEMENTS. AND SO WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS ALLOW US A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO PUT TOGETHER A NEW POLICY, BRING THAT BACK TO YOU. AND SO YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT BRINGING YOU BACK AGREEMENTS IN FEBRUARY, BUT A NEW WAY OF DOING THINGS. WHAT. SO BY FEBRUARY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IT ALL WORKED OUT AND PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL, INCLUDING REACHING OUT TO THE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS? YES. DO WE KNOW HOW MANY ORGANIZATIONS THERE ARE? YEAH.

WE'VE GOT. ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, SEVEN ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE NEED TO CONSULT AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH. THAT'S DOABLE. IF IT WAS 20 SOMETHING, I'D SAY, YEAH, PROBABLY COULDN'T DO THAT. BUT SEVEN SEEMS TO BE DOABLE. WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK COUNCIL. GOOD.

SO ALL RIGHT EVERYBODY'S GOOD. WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO DO. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION. THIS IS ITEM 7.4 I'M GUESSING WE'RE GOING TO MOTION MOTION MOTION TO APPROVE NON-RENEWAL OF CURRENT FACILITY USE AGREEMENTS AND AUTHORIZE STAFF TO IMPLEMENT CENTRALIZED SCHEDULING AND PROGRAM MANAGEMENT THROUGH THE CITY PARKS DEPARTMENT. I HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? WE HAVE A. A MOTION FROM PHIL ROBERTSON OR MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT FIVE. A SECOND FROM RONNIE VELASQUEZ, DISTRICT THREE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, NOT WITH, WITH NON-RENEWAL OF THE CURRENT FACILITIES. IF YOU IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY SAYING AYE. AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. NOW OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 7.3. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER RESOLUTION 2279. ADOPTING A POLICY FOR CONDITIONAL RELEASE OF MOWING LIENS ON SINGLE FAMILY ZONED PROPERTY TO ENCOURAGE NEW RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION. SO GOING TO BE RAYLAN. YES. AND I AM A HUGE NERD AND SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS RECOMMENDATION. WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT, WE DO THE LEAN RESEARCHES FOR MOST OF YOUR INFILL LOTS. AND I WILL TELL YOU, SINCE I CAME BACK A FEW YEARS AGO, WE HAVE A LOT OF PROPERTIES THAT HAS LIENS THAT ARE WORTH MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE ABLE TO SELL THE PROPERTY FOR. SO WHEN WE START LOOKING AT THE AMOUNT OF RESEARCH THAT WE'VE DONE, AND WHEN WE GIVE THAT AMOUNT TO THE

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EVEN THOUGH THE CITY IS WILLING TO GIVE YOU. I DON'T KNOW THAT A BANK WOULD ACCEPT THAT. MARY.

MAYBE. YEAH. MARY GAIL REVIEWED THE RESOLUTION. I'M SORRY WE REVIEWED IT. ONE OTHER THING I THOUGHT JUST TO THROW OUT THERE AS A CONSIDERATION WHAT THEY REALLY WHAT A BANK WANTS IS A RELEASE PRIMARILY. WHAT IF WE WERE TO JUST SAY, OKAY, WE TAKE THE AMOUNT OF THE LIENS AND WE DON'T CHARGE THEM THE INTEREST? THAT WOULD BE A VERY SUBSTANTIAL REDUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF LIENS. WOULD IT NOT FORGIVE ALL OF THE. YEAH, FORGIVE ALL OF THE INTEREST, NOT NOT THE LIEN BUT THE INTEREST ON THE LIEN. OKAY. BUT WHAT WOULD THAT WOULD THAT GO A LONG WAYS TO DO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. ANYTHING AT THIS POINT IS GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. I CAN TELL YOU, MAYOR, IN THE PAST WE HAVE I'M AWARE

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MOTION POSTPONE I'M SORRY. MOTION TO POSTPONE. RESOLUTION NUMBER 2279 OKAY. SECOND MOTION I HAVE A MOTION FROM PHIL ROBERTSON, MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT FIVE, A SECOND FROM

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I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO GET THIS BIG PENALTY IF WE CAN WORK WITH THEM, IF THEY'RE ALMOST FINISHED WITH THE HOUSE, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SUBSTANTIALLY, SUBSTANTIALLY BUILT. WOULD IT WORK I GOTCHA, GOTCHA OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COOL IT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATE I ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. COUNCIL. COULD WE RECESS. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO RECESS? MAKE A MOTION. I HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND. SECOND I HAVE AL RECONVENE INTO OUR REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 7.5 DISCUSSING.

CONSIDER RESOLUTION NUMBER 2273, A RESOLUTION OF CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF TERRELL, TEXAS, CASTING ITS VOTE FOR A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE KAUFMAN CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. DON. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THE KAUFMAN CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT IS GOVERNED BY A BOARD OF NINE DIRECTORS WHO SERVE TWO YEAR TERMS. FIVE DIRECTORS ARE APPOINTED BY THE TAXING UNITS THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE DISTRICT. BOARD MEMBERS SELECT THE CHIEF APPRAISER, ADOPT THE ANNUAL DISTRICT BUDGET, APPOINT APPRAISAL REVIEW BOARD MEMBERS, AND ENSURE THE DISTRICT FOLLOWS THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES REQUIRED BY LAW. THE ALLOCATION OF VOTES FOR EACH TAXING ENTITY, AND A BALLOT FOR VOTING FOR KAUFMAN. CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT'S BOARD OF DIRECTORS IS IN YOUR PACKET. THE CITY OF TERRELL HAS 93 VOTES, AND THE NOMINEES ON THE BALLOT ARE DOCTOR BRUCE WOOD AND DANNY KIRBY. WE DID REQUEST BIOS FOR BOTH, BUT THEY WERE UNABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE, AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THEY'RE BOTH THEY'RE BOTH INTERESTED IN CONTINUING. YES, THEY'VE BOTH BEEN NOMINATED. AND WE DO HAVE TO HAVE THIS BACK TO THEM BY DECEMBER 15TH.

ALRIGHT. SO COUNCIL, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE. DO YOU WANT TO SPLIT THEM. YOU WANT TO KEEP THEM ALL ON ONE WITH ONE INDIVIDUAL. IS THERE A REASON WHY WE MIGHT DO TWO? SO WHAT DID THEY SAY. THEY COULDN'T DO THE BIOS JUST BUSY OR. NO THEY THEY DIDN'T HAVE THOSE. THEY I REQUESTED THEM AND SHE SAID WE DON'T HAVE ANY. THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT DIDN'T HAVE THEM. YES.

THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT DIDN'T HAVE BIOS, CORRECT. YES. SO WHAT IS OUR CURRENT. BUT WE'RE VOTING FOR TWO. ARE WE. NO. JUST ONE. YOU'RE VOTING FOR ONE. YOU'RE VOTING FOR ONE. SO YOU DON'T PROBABLY WANT TO SPLIT THOSE. BRUCE, WOULD OUR CURRENT REPRESENTATIVE. YES HE IS. YES I THOUGHT SO. MISS OTHER GUYS. YEAH. WE DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HIM. NO. SO WE LITERALLY ARE GOING TO MAKE OUR DECISION BASED ON ZERO INFORMATION. YES. WELL, OTHER THAN THE FACT OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN IDEAL SITUATION. DOCTOR, DOCTOR DOCTOR WOULD. YES. WOULD WE KNOW? HOW HAVE WE FELT OUR OUR APPRAISALS HAVE GONE, YOU KNOW, IN RECENT RECENT YEARS? WELL, AGAIN, IT'S THE APPRAISAL BOARD AND NOT THE INDIVIDUAL. BUT I THINK BRUCE REPRESENTS HE'S HE'S BEEN WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BEFORE. SO HE KNOWS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THAT TAXING ENTITY AND ALSO THE CITY'S BECAUSE HE WAS THE COUNTY JUDGE AT ONE TIME. SO HE'S REAL FAMILIAR ABOUT ALL OF THAT WORKS. HUM. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH DOCTOR WOOD, BUT, YOU KNOW, CAN WE SPLIT THE VOTES? NO, IT'S GOT TO BE ALL OR NOTHING. BECAUSE IN FAIRNESS TO WHOEVER THIS DANNY KIRBY IS, HE MIGHT HAVE A GREAT RESUME. SHOULD WE GOOGLE HIM? I GUESS IT DOES SAY THIS IS. YES, THIS IS PLACE THE NUMBER OF VOTES YOU WISH TO CAST FOR A CANDIDATE. SO YOU COULD I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S IN FAIRNESS, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO JUST YOU'RE ALLOTTED A NUMBER OF VOTES AND YOU CAN CAST THE COUNCIL CAN CAST THEM HOWEVER THEY CHOOSE. SO BUT LET'S LET'S TALK ABOUT THREE. IT'S 93. THE CITY OF TERRELL HAS 93. YES. AND THE CITY OF KAUFMAN I MEAN, THE CITY OF FORNEY HAS A CERTAIN NUMBER, AND THE CITY OF KAUFMAN HAS A CERTAIN NUMBER, SO. OH, IT'S NOT OKAY, BUT BUT IN THE END, THEY TALLY THEM ALL UP, RIGHT? YEAH. YOU COULD. YES. SO YOU COULD END UP WITH. YOU COULD END UP WITH NOBODY IF YOU SPLIT THEM BECAUSE THEY WANT, NOT ONE OF THEM WOULD HAVE ENOUGH VOTES. RIGHT. YOU COULD POSSIBLY. THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S WHAT I WAS UNDERSTANDING. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF AGAINST EVERYTHING I BELIEVE.

IT'S LIKE YOU'RE NOT EVEN GIVING ANYBODY EVERYBODY A FAIR SHOT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION YOU NEED. BUT IF I DO IT, IT'S AGAINST A LOT OF WHAT I REALLY BELIEVE AS FAR AS FAIRNESS, EQUITY. AND SO THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT DOESN'T HAVE RESUMES. CORRECT. SO I CAN'T

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MAYBE IT APPEARS THAT THEY WOULD. MR. KIRBY IS A FORMER CITY COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THE CITY OF CRANDALL. OH, YEAH, I KNOW, I DIDN'T SEE NOTHING. I'VE KNOWN HIM. YOU GET TO FIND THAT, BUT. THAT'S ALL I GOT. BUT I DO KNOW DOCTOR BRUCE WOODARD. HE'S A QUALITY INDIVIDUAL. I'M A YOU KNOW, I'M NOT. HE'S NOT. HOW MANY? 90. WHAT? THE NEW GUY. I'M SORRY.

90. HOW MANY? 93. 93. OR SIMPLIFY. MAYOR WOULD MOVE TO. ISSUE 93 VOTES FOR DOCTOR BRUCE WOULD IN A MOTION I SO MOVE OKAY ANDERSON. WELL THAT'S ALRIGHT I'LL LET I'LL LET ANDERSON. OKAY. ANDERSON IS THERE A SECOND? THE MAYOR SECOND? NO. OKAY. NO, SHE MADE THE MOTION DONNA RENEE WANTED TO DO. RENEE MADE THE MOTION, SO I'LL LET HER DO THAT. IS THERE A SECOND? THE MAYOR SECOND. IS THERE. YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE? EVEN IF I DON'T FEEL LIKE I GOT THE INFORMATION I NEED. WELL, OKAY. WHAT YOU GOT? YEAH. ALRIGHT. SO THERE'S A MOTION BY DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, MAYOR PRO TEM, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM FOR DISTRICT TWO, SECOND FROM THE MAYOR TO ISSUE 93 VOTES TO DOCTOR BRUCE WOOD. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH, I HAVE EXTREME DISCOMFORT CASTING A VOTE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL OR INDIVIDUALS THAT I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION REGARDING, BUT. SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT IN THE FUTURE THAT WE DO A LITTLE DEEPER DIVE TO KIND OF GIVE US INFORMATION WE NEED TO CAST A VOTE IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES. I YEAH, THERE YOU GO. THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE. ALRIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I, I, I, I, I ANY OPPOSED. NAY. OR IS THAT A NICE STIFF. NAY. OKAY. MOTION CARRIES 3 TO 1. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS. 7.6 DISCUSSING CONSIDER WASTE CONNECTIONS PILOT PROGRAM. MARK. MR. MILLS, I'M SORRY, NOW THAT YOU. NOW YOU'RE MR. MILLS. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THEM TO CALL ME MARK FOR TWO YEARS. ALRIGHT, SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AGAIN. WE WENT THROUGH IT LAST TIME, BUT WHAT I WANT TO DO IS END ON THE LAST TWO SLIDES. IF YOU CAN GO ONE MORE, BECAUSE THIS ONE'S DIFFICULT TO READ. WHAT WE'VE I SENT WAS ABLE TO SEND THIS OUT TO YOU EARLIER TODAY. I APOLOGIZE YOU DIDN'T GET IT SOONER. WE'VE GONE THROUGH A CONVERSION FROM MOVING FROM GOOGLE PRODUCTS TO MICROSOFT, AND WHEN WE DID THAT, I LOST ACCESS TO THE FILE THAT WAS PROVIDED TO ME. SO WE'VE GOT THAT RESOLVED. SO I WAS ABLE TO PUT THIS TOGETHER FOR YOU THIS MORNING. PUBLIC SERVICES DID A GOOD JOB GETTING US INFORMATION. THIS IS AREA CITIES AND WHAT THEY WHAT THEIR MONTHLY SOLID WASTE RATES ARE. SO AT THE BOTTOM WHEN YOU SEE VAULT SPRINGS AND IT SAYS TO SEE WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT'S THE NUMBER OF TIMES PER WEEK THAT THERE'S COLLECTION AND WHETHER OR NOT THE SERVICE IS CARDED OR NOT. SO TERRELL APPEARS ON HERE THREE TIMES. SO WE ARE IF WE WERE TO DO THE CARDED SERVICE TWICE A WEEK, THAT WOULD BE $23.70 A MONTH. IF WE WERE TO DO CARDED SERVICE ONCE A WEEK, IT WOULD BE $16.16. AND THEN IF WE CONTINUE WITH OUR SERVICE AS IT IS TODAY, ONCE A WEEK, I'M SORRY, TWICE A WEEK, NOT CARDED.

THAT'S A TYPO, BUT TWICE A WEEK NOT CARDED. IT WOULD BE $15.22 A MONTH, WHICH IS THE CURRENT RATE. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FROM YOU ALL, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE, IS DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL. DO YOU WANT US TO STAY WITH WHERE WE ARE AT $15.22 AND TAKE NO ACTION? DO YOU WANT US TO BARGAIN AND NEGOTIATE WITH WASTE CONNECTIONS FOR ONCE A WEEK? CARDED? DO YOU WANT US TO REACH OUT AND BEGIN NEGOTIATIONS WITH WASTE CONNECTIONS FOR TWICE A WEEK? CARDED, OR DO YOU WANT TO EXPLORE CANCELING THE CURRENT AGREEMENT AND GOING OUT FOR RFP AND SELECTING EITHER WASTE CONNECTIONS OR ANOTHER FIRM THAT YOU DEEM TO PROVIDE THE BEST VALUE? SO. IF WE STAY WITH THE CURRENT PROGRAM, IT'S 1522.

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YES, MAYOR, I THINK YOURS AND MY DISCUSSIONS WERE WHAT KIND OF INITIATED THIS ENTIRE REVIEW.

OUR TOWN HAS MAJOR TRASH ISSUES. WE HAVE CONSTANT COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT. PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRASH COLLECTORS THROWING THEIR CANS, BREAKING THEM, YOU KNOW, DAMAGING THEIR PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, MISSING PICKUPS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. AND IT SEEMED THAT THE BEST SOLUTION TO THIS FOR SOME BACKGROUND IS, OKAY, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET THEM TO DO THEY PROVIDE THE CARTS THE SERVICE DOES. SO IF THEY BREAK IT, IT'S THEIR PROPERTY. IF THEY'RE BREAKING TWO, YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT HAVING AN INDIVIDUAL PICK IT UP. YOU'RE HAVING THE ARM COME DOWN AND PICK UP THE THING. AND THEY PUT SO THERE'S NO THROWING OF THE CAR. THE ARM SETS IT BACK DOWN AGAIN SO THE CARTS DON'T GET THROWN. I THINK IT'S BROKEN. AND IF IT DOES GET BROKEN, IT'S THEIR PROPERTY. THEY REPLACE IT FOR US ANYWAY. IT'S A IT'S A WAY TO FIX ALL OF THE EXISTING ISSUES THAT WE HEAR ABOUT EVERY WEEK ABOUT OUR TRASH PICKUP. BUT THE PROBLEM IS, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO GO TO THE CARTS, YOU KNOW, THE THE SLIGHT INCREASE IN, IN THE FEE THERE TO GO TO 16, 18, WE ONLY GET ONCE A WEEK PICKUP. AND IN PILOTING IT, LIKE WE SAID, PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY ONLY GET THE ONCE A WEEK PICKUP BECAUSE THEY HAD TRASH SITTING OUT AND THERE WASN'T ENOUGH ROOM IN THE CONTAINER TO KEEP IT THERE FOR A FULL WEEK FOR THE PICKUP. AND THEN AS YOU SEE, IF WE DO IT TWICE A WEEK, WE HAVE NOW IT'S 2370. THE THAT'S TOO LARGE OF AN INCREASE, BUT THE HAPPY MEDIUM THERE IS. IF YOU DID GO WITH THE ONCE A WEEK PICKUP AND IF SOMEONE WANTED TO PURCHASE A A SECOND CART, THEY COULD DO THAT, RIGHT. THEY COULD PURCHASE A SECOND POLLY CART. AND IT KIND OF BE ON THE INDIVIDUAL TO PICK THE KIND OF SERVICE THEY WANT. YOU WANT TWO CARTS? COOL. YOU CAN BUY ONE YOURSELF. YOU'RE NOT GETTING A SECOND PICKUP, BUT YOU'RE GETTING A MORE CONTAINERS TO HOLD YOUR YOUR REFUSE. RIGHT. SO TO ME, THAT'S A GOOD, HAPPY MEDIUM TO SAY GO WITH THE ONCE PER WEEK POLLY CARTS AND THEN YOU. IF YOU WANT ADDITIONAL CONTAINERS YOU CAN PURCHASE THAT. BUT I UNDERSTAND KIND OF THE HESITATION THERE BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING FROM TWICE A WEEK TO ONCE A WEEK, SO ADDITIONAL CONTAINERS WOULDN'T BE PURCHASED. IT WOULD BE THROUGH WASTE CONNECTIONS, AND IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL $7.50 A MONTH. WHICH BRINGS YOU TO THE 2370.

SO YOU CAN KIND OF JUST CHOOSE TO PAY THE 2370 IF YOU'D LIKE TO. AND IF YOU WANT TO PAY THE CHEAPER JUST ONE CART ONCE A WEEK WITH A TRASH CAN, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING DESTROYED AND THAT, YOU KNOW. BUT I THINK THE ISSUE ISN'T THE ONCE A WEEK PICKUP.

THE ISSUES ARE SEVEN DAY. YEAH, LAG IN RATHER THAN A 3 OR 4 DAY LAG AND HAVING TRASH PICKED UP.

DO WE REALLY SOLVE THE ISSUE BY SAYING WITH THE SECOND CART YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO BE OKAY? I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST GOING TO HAVE THE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE BAGS IN A CONTAINER THAT'S CLOSED AS OPPOSED TO BAGS SITTING OUT. BUT DIDN'T WE, DID WE DO TWO CARTS? NO, WE DID TWICE A WEEK OR WHAT DID WHAT DID WE DO IN THAT PILOT PROGRAM? WE EVEN GAVE THEM ANOTHER CAR, DIDN'T WE? WE DID ONCE A WEEK INITIALLY, AND THEN WE EXPANDED IT TO TWICE A WEEK, BUT REMAINED ONE CART AND IT WASN'T ENOUGH. AND I THINK THERE WAS MORE POSITIVE RESULTS. BUT THEY WERE THERE WERE STILL SOME ISSUES. SO THAT WOULD BE THE SAME AS HAVING TWO INSTEAD OF ONE. THEY GOT ABOUT 95% COMPLIANCE AND IT WOULD. THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE THE THE TWO CARTS ONCE A WEEK. BUT AGAIN THERE'S ADDITIONAL COST. YOU'RE STILL NOT YOU'RE STILL HAVING THE TRUCKS. SO SORRY. WITH THE WITH THE SECOND CART BEING THE RESIDENTS OPTION, I WAS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING THAT WAS INCORRECT. THAT'S RIGHT. IN THAT CASE, I'M OKAY WITH STICKING WITH THE 1522, BUT WITH THE FULL KNOWLEDGE THE COMMUNITY HAS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S GOING TO MEAN THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TRASH BAGS SITTING OUT OUTSIDE OF. THEY WON'T PICK THEM UP. THE ANIMALS WILL TEAR INTO. NO, THEY WILL UNDER UNDER THE OUR CURRENT ONE THEY WILL. BUT NO. BUT IF WE WENT TO ONE THE CART. YES. THEN THEY WON'T. IF IT DOESN'T SHUT

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AND THE LID WON'T CLOSE. THEY WON'T PICK IT UP. THEN MAYBE THE RIGHT APPROACH IS TO GO OUT TO RFP. EXCEPT FOR I KNOW, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE CAN KEEP IT AT 1511. YEAH. UNTIL 20 WHAT, 20 1820 2822. MAYOR? 1522, 15, 22 1522 IS TERRELL. AND NO, I KNOW, BUT 2028. BUT I'M SURE THERE'LL BE AN ESCALATOR IN THERE AND A REQUEST FOR AN INCREASE. IT WON'T STAY AT 1522.

I'M I'M SORRY. I'M LOOKING AT THE CART AS A WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PROVIDER. AND SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS WE ARE. WE ARE REWARDING BAD BEHAVIOR BY DOING IT. GOING FROM. WE GOT THREE MORE YEARS. WHY DON'T WE KEEP THEM AT TWO, TWO TIMES A WEEK? AND FOR EVERY TRASH CAN THAT THEY TOSS, FOR EVERY CITIZEN WHO SAYS, LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO MY TRASH CAN, THEY GET FINED, I DON'T, I DON'T I'M NOT ON FACEBOOK A LOT, BUT PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THEIR WATER BILL. NOW, YOU WANT ME TO GIVE YOU TRASH FOR 2370? I REALLY LIKE THE COLOR OF MY CAR. I DON'T WANT IT EGGED. I DON'T WANT TOILET PAPER. I JUST THIS IS THESE PEOPLE HAVE HAVE GOT US BY THE THROAT AND. OH, LET'S GIVE THEM A CART. I'M LIKE, REALLY? WHAT'S TO STOP THE MACHINE FROM THROWING TRASH CANS? I JUST, I DON'T LET'S I'M GOING TO SAY TWO TIMES A WEEK, YOU PUT YOUR TRASH OUT THERE. WE DO HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT YOUR TRASH NEEDS TO BE IN THE TRASH CAN. WE DON'T. WELL, WE NEED TO FIX THAT BECAUSE I'M. YOU KNOW, THE THING IS, DON'T DON'T I DON'T WANT TO CHARGE OUR OUR PEOPLE ANY MORE MONEY FOR THIS. I JUST DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. AND AND THESE PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE THIS SERVICE. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M PUTTING THEM IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS THAT COMPANY THAT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TERRELL, TEARING UP THE GROUND TO PUT IN NEW GAS LINES, NAME UNMENTIONED AND DON'T WANT TO FIX WHAT THEY MESSED UP. NO. WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOU FOR MESSING WITH MY LIFE. WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOU FOR TAKING THE TRASH CAN THAT MY BROTHER GAVE ME AND THROWING IT TO MY NEIGHBOR'S YARD. I'M GOING TO TAKE A PICTURE. I DON'T KNOW. NO, WE'RE NOT GIVING. WE'RE NOT DOING THE PRETTY CARTS BECAUSE IT'S TOO MUCH MONEY AND WE'RE REWARDING BAD BEHAVIOR. THE ONLY ISSUE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE PENALTY SITUATION, IT'S NOT IN THE CURRENT AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW.

SO IF IF WE HAD WHEN THE AGREEMENT WAS SIGNED, WE COULD HAVE PUT PENALTIES OR INCENTIVES IN THE AGREEMENT WITH WASTE CONNECTIONS. BUT NOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN SORT OF HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE CURRENTLY UNTIL 2020 WHEN WE GET CONTRACTS, WE SHOULD HAVE A PENALTY CLAUSE 100%. WE SHOULD. I AGREE WITH YOU. THEY'LL KEEP THIS PRICE TO 2028. SO WHAT ARE YOU SAYING WE STAY AT THE 15, 2215? TILL WHEN IN UNTIL THERE'S A REQUEST FOR AN INCREASE. THEY THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME AND ASK YOU FOR AN INCREASE EVERY YEAR BASED ON CPO. DO WE HAVE TO GIVE IT TO THEM? NO, BUT THAT'S CONTINUE TO PICK UP OUR SERVICES, OUR TRASH WITH THIS AMOUNT. FOR THIS AMOUNT, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE REQUEST. OKAY. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW I SAID THAT OUT LOUD, BUT ANYWAY. TWO TIMES A WEEK. ROCKWALL TWO TIMES A WEEK.

THEY DON'T HAVE A CART. IS THAT CORRECT? AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY? YOU ARE CORRECT.

ROCKWALL IS TWICE CITY STAFF. PLEASE DON'T HATE ME. CODE COMPLIANCE. DOGS, ANIMALS, LOOSE DOGS. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DO A LITTLE MORE WORK FOR US, BUT IF WE CAN KEEP OUR CITIZENS WATER BILL FROM GOING UP, IT REALLY AIN'T THAT WATER BILL. BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY THINK, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT NO OTHER WAY, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE ELDERLY, SINGLE INCOME, FIXED INCOME. MY WATER BILL WENT UP $8, $9. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR. OKAY, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, KEEP WHAT WE GOT. JUST BECAUSE YOU ASKED FOR INCREASE, SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE IT TO HIM. WE CAN WORK, GET RFQS DO SOME THINGS TO SEE IF WE CAN PROVIDE SOMETHING BETTER, MORE ECONOMICAL, OR JUST BETTER FOR OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. I ASKED MY HUSBAND FOR SOME THINGS AND I DON'T GET THEM, SO IT'S OKAY.

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SO THIS IS A RECORDED. YEAH, I SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT, BUT OKAY. BUT I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. GIVE THE PEOPLE TWO WEEKS, TWO TIMES A WEEK. AND I THINK ABOUT HOLIDAYS AND I THINK ABOUT BUSY WEEKEND GRADUATION, FAMILIES THAT HAVE MORE THAN TWO PEOPLE LIVING IN THEM GOT SIX PEOPLE. THAT'S A LOT OF MORE TRASH THAN THE THOMASES PUT OUT. OKAY. SO I WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. I WANT TO BE COMPASSIONATE ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT THEIR WATER BILL GOING UP. YOU KNOW, $8. SO THAT'S MY STANCE ON IT. SO THAT PROBABLY TELLS YOU WHAT I'M GOING TO HOW I'M GOING TO VOTE. THE ONE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION I THINK WE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE WE CONSIDER IS, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN SO WASTE CONNECTIONS HAD A HAS A SMALLER TRASH CAN STANDARD THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ENFORCING. I FORGET THE WHAT'S THE SIZE OF IT MARK. DO YOU REMEMBER. IT'S A CITIZEN OWNED CAN CAN BE NO MORE THAN 35 GALLONS BECAUSE OF THE WEIGHT FOR THE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CITIZENS HAVE TO PICK IT UP.

THEY'RE NOT USING THE ARM. A PERSON'S GOT TO LIFT IT, RIGHT? CORRECT. AND CURRENTLY MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT ADHERING TO THAT STANDARD. AND THEY'VE KIND OF BEEN GIVING US A PASS ON FORCING US TO ADHERE TO THAT STANDARD, BECAUSE THEY KNEW WE WERE EVALUATING WHETHER WE MIGHT GO TO THE CARTS. RIGHT. SO I THINK THAT ONCE WE TELL THEM, HEY, NO, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT, WE'RE GOING TO STICK WITH THE THE 15, 22 OR TWICE A WEEK SERVICE WITH NO CARTS. THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO START BEING STICKLERS ABOUT THE ABOUT THE TRASH CANS AGAIN AND THE SIZES.

SO WE WE MIGHT WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ALERT THE CITIZENS TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT MOVE TO A CAN THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE SIZE. OTHERWISE THEY'RE GOING TO NOT HAVE THEIR TRASH NOT GET PICKED UP. THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS TOO. ACCOUNTABILITY. THEY SHOULD BE DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. THINK ABOUT THIS. WE PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT THEY WERE WE MIGHT CAN'T PENALIZE THEM. COUNCILMAN ROBERSON BUT THINK ABOUT THIS. WE PASSED AN ORDINANCE WHERE THEY'RE EXCLUSIVELY THE ONES THAT GET THE ADDITIONAL, LIKE FEES FOR THE DUMPSTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE MIGHT CAN'T PENALIZE THEM, BUT WE MAY NOT CONTINUE TO MAKE TO HONOR THAT. AS FAR AS WE COULD CHANGE THAT, WHERE YOU'RE NOT EXCLUSIVELY THE ONES WE CAN SEE, SOMEBODY ELSE'S DUMPSTER IN THIS GREAT CITY. IF, YOU KNOW, WRITTEN INTO THE CURRENT. SO IT'S OTHER WAYS WE CAN DO IT. SO THAT'S WRITTEN TO THIS CONTRACT. THE EXCLUSIVITY IS WRITTEN INTO THE EXISTING CONTRACT. YES. BUT AND AND THAT'S THE CURRENT CONTRACT IS NOT GOOD. NOT GOOD. BUT YOU GOTTA REMEMBER, HEY FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T HERE, THE, THE THE REASON WHY WE HAVE 1522 AND WE HAVEN'T INCREASED IS BECAUSE THOSE CONTRACTS WERE NEGOTIATED.

PART OF THAT NEGOTIATION WAS THE EXCLUSIVITY OF THE CONTRACTOR BINS. SO BUT IT IS PART OF THE CONTRACT. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, EXCEPT FOR FORNEY, WE'RE THE LOWEST ONES. SO COUNCIL, WHAT DO Y'ALL WANT TO DO? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF CHOICE. I THINK MAYBE I THINK THE RIGHT MOVE IS PROBABLY TO STAY WITH WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AND GO OUT FOR RFP NEXT TIME AROUND AND NOT STICK WITH THE SAME PROVIDER, AND THEN NEXT TIME AROUND, NEXT CONTRACT. LET'S MAKE SURE WE PUT MORE TEETH IN. IT SOUNDS GOOD. HOW MUCH TIME DO WE NEED TO START WORKING ON THAT RFQ SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE GET IT EARLY AND GET IT GET THE COMPANIES THAT WE NEED. WE WILL HAVE IT DEVELOPED WELL IN ADVANCE. WONDERFUL. WHEN IT'S NECESSARY. THERE'S ACTUALLY A FIRM THAT WE CAN CONTRACT WITH THAT WILL HELP WRITE THE RFP THAT THEY ARE SOLID WASTE. THEY ARE EXPERTS IN THE FIELD AND THAT COST THE CITY NOTHING BECAUSE THEY PUT IT ON THE BACK END AND THE ONE THAT IS AWARDED THE AGREEMENT ENDS UP PAYING THE COST. WONDERFUL. OKAY. THIS IS ADAM 7.6. IS THERE A MOTION ON 7.6? SO IT'S THE IS IT NO ACTION OR CONSIDERED? I MEANT TO CONTINUE THE CURRENT CONTRACT. YEAH. CURRENT OKAY.

MOTION TO CONTINUE WITH THE CURRENT SERVICE CONTRACT WITH WASTE CONNECTIONS. GOTCHA. I HAVE A MOTION FROM PHIL ROBERTSON, OUR MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT FIVE, A SECOND FROM STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS. DISTRICT FOUR. TO CONTINUE WITH OUR WASTE CONNECTIONS. I MEANT NO WASTE CONNECTIONS CONTRACT AS. THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. IS THERE ANY FURTHER ANY FURTHER

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MOTION CARRIED. NONE OF THOSE PRESENT. RELUCTANT. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 7.7 DISCUSSING.

CONSIDER RESOLUTION NUMBER 2280 AUTHORIZING THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A FUNDING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF TERRELL AND THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION FOR THE TEXAS PRESERVATION TRUST FUND AWARD IN THE AMOUNT OF $30,000. SO REALLY QUICKLY, THIS IS EXCITING. WE HAVE JESSICA AND AUTUMN HERE, ALSO WITH THE HERITAGE SOCIETY AS PART OF THE PADDOCK BOARD FUNDING. DURING OUR BUDGET PREP, PADDOCK BOARD RECOMMENDED TO CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY'D BE ABLE TO BUDGET THE MATCHING GRANT IF THIS WAS AWARDED. SO THIS WOULD BE A $60,000 RENOVATION PROJECT FOR THE CARNEGIE BUILDING. IT'LL BE THE MAIN WINDOWS IN THE FRONT, SO IT'S A SMALL BITE TO A BIG ELEPHANT. BUT WE ARE VERY EXCITED THAT WE HAVE BEEN AWARDED THIS GRANT. SO THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT WOULD JUST GIVE THE CITY MANAGER PERMISSION TO SIGN THE FUNDING AGREEMENTS AND OTHER DOCUMENTS WHENEVER THEY ARE RECEIVED.

OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? SOUNDS PRETTY SIMPLE. I THINK IT'S VERY EXCITING I AM TOO YEAH. VERY EXCITED, VERY SUPPORTIVE. ALRIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2280. SO MOVED. HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT TWO A SECOND FROM STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS OR DISTRICT FOUR REPRESENTATIVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH RESOLUTION NUMBER 2280 AS PRESENTED. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING I AYE. ANY OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES AND OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 7.8. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE LEASE OF WATER RIGHTS BETWEEN CITY OF TERRELL AND RUSTED RAIL GOLF, LLC. SO IT'S THE JOHN AND CHRIS SHOW HERE AGAIN. AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WE WANT TO GIVE YOU MONEY. OKAY? I'M NOT ASKING FOR MONEY THIS TIME. SO THIS IS IT. THIS IS ABOUT WATER RIGHTS. AND JOHN WAS INTEGRAL PART OF THIS. AND THIS IS RELATIVE TO THE WATER RIGHTS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE LAKE AND RUSTED RAIL GOLF COURSE DOWN SOUTH. OKAY. SO ANYTIME THE CITY ACROSS THE STATE, THE WATER RIGHTS ARE GOVERNED BY THE STATE. SO WE'RE GRANTED SOME OF THAT CONTROL AND OF THAT CONTROL. WE HAVE THE RIGHTS TO AWARD SOME OF THAT RIGHTS OFF TO DOWNSTREAM. SO PART OF THAT'S KIND OF AN OVERVIEW. HE WAS HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE RUSTED RAIL AND ALL THAT. BUT WE COMES TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET REVENUE FOR SELLING SOME OF OUR WATER RIGHTS, AND I DON'T WANT TO JEOPARDIZE OR MAKE YOU INTO ALARM THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE OUT OF WATER. I THINK THIS IS DRAINAGE WATER FROM THERE. AND I'LL LET JOHN TALK ABOUT THE DETAILS. THANK YOU. CHRIS, AGAIN, ALL THE ALL THE SURFACE WATER IN THE STATE IS OWNED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS, IS GOVERNED BY THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY. THEY CAN DESIGNATE SOME PORTIONS OF WATER FOR CITIES. IN THE CASE OF TERRELL, THERE'S WATER IN NEUTRAL LAKE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. I THINK YOU'VE GOT THE THE INFORMATION THAT THAT I GAVE TO CHRIS AND HE INSERTED IN THERE ABOUT ALL THAT STUFF. AND I BET YOU'VE READ EVERY WORD BECAUSE IT'S REALLY FASCINATING STUFF. AND AT ANY RATE, SO THIS GOLF COURSE COMES DOWN THERE. A COUPLE YEARS AGO, THEY WERE LIKE, HEY, WE WANT TO RELEASE SOME OF THAT WATER. WE'LL GIVE YOU $150 PER ACRE FOOT. AND THE CITY AGREES TO THAT. THERE'S A COUNCIL APPROVES IT, AND THEN IT HAS TO GO TO THE TCU BECAUSE AGAIN, THE TCU HAS FINAL SAY. SO ON. IT WENT TO THE TCU. TK APPROVED IT, AND THEN NOBODY EVER TOLD THE GOLF COURSE THAT WAS APPROVED. DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT NOBODY EVER NOTIFIED THEM OF ANYTHING. AND SO YEAR AND A HALF GOES BY THEY GET A LETTER FROM GREG I THINK, AND SAID, HEY, YOUR THING'S CANCELED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HEAR FROM YOU. WELL, THEY NEVER GOT IT. THEY NEVER GOT APPROVED. SO THEY'VE COME BACK AND I'VE BEEN TALKING TO A LADY NAMED AMY BARBER, AND SHE'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE COURSE, EXCUSE ME. AND SHE'S LIKE, WELL, WE REALLY DO WANT THE WATER. YOU KNOW, THE GOOD NEWS? BAD NEWS IS THEY DON'T WANT BUT HALF AS MUCH. THEY WANT 100 ACRE FEET. I THINK I SAID 5 TO 200 BEFORE I CAME UP WITH FIVE. THEY WANT 100 ACRE FEET INSTEAD OF 200. AND I SUGGESTED, SINCE IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS, THEY SHOULD PAY MORE. THEY DISAGREE WITH THAT. THEY THINK IT SHOULD BE STILL THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT I SUGGESTED 182 INSTEAD OF 150. THAT'LL THAT'LL GIVE YOU AN EXTRA $3,000 A YEAR, $3,000 A YEAR. NOT A BIG DEAL EITHER WAY. I TALKED TO AMY JUST THIS MORNING. AND SO TWO THINGS THAT I PROMISED I WOULD SAY ON HER BEHALF. ONE IS IT WASN'T THEIR FAULT, AND IT APPEARS IT WAS NOT. AND SHE SAID, SO IF THE AGREEMENT HAD BEEN HAD BEEN IF WE'D BEEN NOTIFIED WHEN IT WHEN IT HAPPENED, WHEN THE TCU APPROVED IT, WE'D ONLY BE PAYING THIS MUCH MONEY. AND SHE'S RIGHT. AND ALSO SHE'S NOT ABLE TO BE

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I HOPE YOU DON'T. DON'T THINK YOU WILL. BUT IF YOU DO, JUST IN FAIRNESS, SHE AND HER HUSBAND ARE OUT OF TOWN, OUT OF THE STATE, SO THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO BE HERE UNTIL THE JANUARY MEETING. SO IF YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL JANUARY, YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. BUT I THINK I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE DEAL. YOUR OPTIONS WOULD BE VOTE NO, PLEASE DON'T TABLE IT IF YOU NEED TO, OR APPROVE IT FOR ONE OF THESE TWO AMOUNTS, AND AN OPTION BETWEEN THOSE TWO AMOUNTS. IF YOU HAVE A IF IF YOU WORRY ABOUT THAT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, YOU CAN ALSO SAY BECAUSE IT WAS A FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT. SO THE NEXT THREE YEARS THEY WOULD HAVE HAD IT AT 150. THE LAST TWO YEARS IS A NEW NUMBER. SO THAT'S ANOTHER WAY YOU CAN SPLIT THAT BABY, SO TO SPEAK, IF YOU NEEDED TO. SO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE TALKING FAST ON PURPOSE. WHAT WAS WHAT, WHAT WOULD WHAT WAS THE TOTAL? HAD THEY BEEN THE AMOUNT THAT THEY WOULD OWE THE CITY? IT WAS A TWO. THE $200 TIMES, I'M SORRY, 200 ACRE FEET, 200 ACRE FEET TIMES THE 15. SO $30,000. AND NOW IT'S GOING TO BE 18,000. SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET LESS, BUT YOU'RE GIVING AWAY LESS WATER. SO. RIGHT. SO NOW IT'S A 100 ACRE FEET AT $182. THE STAFF HAVE A RECOMMENDATION. SO RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE ANNUAL REVENUE OF $18,200 BY THE 1ST OF MARCH UNTIL 2030. SO BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY GOT A HALF OF THE NUMBER OF ACRE FEET, SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO VERIFY ON THE GOING MARKET WHAT WATER RIGHTS ARE GOING FOR. IT'S NOT A YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING ON THE NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE.

SO IT'S NOT REALLY WHAT I DID DO SOME VERIFICATIONS WITH SOME RESOURCES. THAT'S A GOOD ONE.

WATER IS LIKE GOLD THESE DAYS. YEAH. BUT THEY THEY HAVE PAID THEY PAID ZERO IN THE LAST THREE YEARS WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN USING IT. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN USING IT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T THINK THEY HAD IT. OH OKAY. GOTCHA. OKAY. ALRIGHT. GOTCHA. OKAY. THAT'S THAT CLEARS UP A LOT. GOTCHA. NOW THEY'RE GOING TO USE IT. THE WAY IT WORKS IS IT'S JUST A PAPER THING. WATER FROM THERE WON'T GO DOWN THERE. THEY'LL JUST GET WATER FROM A LOCAL CREEK. IT JUST GOES ON THE I. GOTCHA. OKAY. IT'S JUST A PLUS AND MINUS THAT. WHAT DO YOU.

WHAT IF WE SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE? FROM WHAT? WHAT ARE THEY WANTING TO PAY? THEY WANT TO PAY THE 150. ALRIGHT. AND WE'RE WE WANT TO GET 182. YEAH. AGAIN I THINK WHAT YOU COULD DO THAT IS THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE 150 FOR THE, FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS AND THEY. AND THEN, THEN YOU COULD DO IT. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. BUT I'M NOT IN THE RECOMMENDING BUSINESS SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE. WE NOT DO THE 182 IF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS RECOMMEND. WHAT WOULD BE YOUR REASON. BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN GETTING IT FOR ONE 150 FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS IF SOMETHING HAD GONE WRONG AND IT WASN'T ON THEIR END, FROM WHAT WE CAN TELL. DO THEY KNOW EITHER, THOUGH I KNOW THAT. DO THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THE 182? ABSOLUTELY NO FUSSING, CUSSING, SPIT AND KICKING? NO, SHE SAID, I THINK YOU SHOULDN'T DO THAT. BUT NO FUSSING OR KISSING. KICKING. AND IF YOU APPROVE 182 THAT'S WHY I THAT WAS MY RECOMMENDATION. I'M THE ONE THAT CAME UP WITH 182 THEN. YEAH, THEY'LL DO IT. THEY WON'T LIKE IT, BUT THEY'LL DO IT. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO SELL IT TO THEM AT ALL. AT LEAST YOU DO IT AT ALL. SO YOU'RE FINE DOING THAT. ABSOLUTELY. WHERE DID 182 COME FROM? THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE A RANDOM NUMBER. IT KIND OF WAS A NUMBER I MADE UP, BUT IT HAD TO BE BASED ON. OKAY, WELL, THERE WE GO. BASED ON WHAT? HONESTLY, IT WAS JUST A NEGOTIATION NUMBER. I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 15% INCREASE. SO I'LL TELL YOU, HE MADE THE NUMBER UP. I CHALLENGED HIM AND GOING HIGHER NUMBER UP. SO I WENT AND CHECKED MY RESOURCES AND MY RESOURCES OUT THERE. THE NUMBERS BETWEEN 150 AND ABOUT 190. YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE LIKE SOME PLACES YOU ACTUALLY DO HAVE TO MOVE THE WATER OUT IN WEST TEXAS, FOR EXAMPLE. YEAH. HERE YOU GOT WATER SITTING THERE. IT'S NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO GO ANYWHERE, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO GET MONEY FOR IT. SO IT'S JUST IT'S JUST FREE MONEY.

THE WATER IN WEST TEXAS IS A DIFFERENT WATER RIGHT VALUE THAN IT IS HERE. WHAT IF WE WERE TO GO BACK TO HIM AND SAY, WE PREFER TO GO WITH THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT? YOU DO THE FULL AMOUNT OF WATER FOR THE ORIGINAL PRICE OR OR NO DEAL WATER. THEY DON'T NEED 200 ACRE FEET. THEY ONLY NEED 100 ACRE FEET. SO THEY'RE COMING BACK SAYING I NEED LESS WATER. WHEN IT WAS 150, WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE PAID IF THEY WOULD NEED THAT AMOUNT BACK THEN? 30,000, 30,000 AS OPPOSED TO 1802. YEAH. IT'S GOOD. NO GO WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. I'M GOOD. OKAY.

IS THERE A MOTION? WE'RE READY. WE'RE GOOD. 82 I LIKE IT 182 IS THERE A MOTION ON 7.8? I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT APPROVE RECOMMENDATION. STAFF RECOMMENDATION AT 182. ALL RIGHT. WE GOT A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION FROM STEPHANIE HOLMES.

THOMAS DISTRICT FOR SECOND FROM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM DISTRICT TWO, TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF AT 182 PER ACRE FEET OF 100. 82 ACRES FEET. ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE ANY IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT.

THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 7.9. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER TEXAS COALITION OF AFFORDABLE POWER TCAP BOARD OF DIRECTORS ELECTION MARK. THE TCAT IS AN ALLIANCE BETWEEN CITIES AND

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THEY CAP NEGOTIATES THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE ELECTRIC SERVICE. IT'S GOVERNED BY A VOLUNTARY 15 PERSON BOARD. THERE ARE CURRENTLY EIGHT VACANCIES, SEVEN VACANCIES AND ONE THAT IS BEING ONE THAT IS A UNCOMPLETED TERM THAT IS HAVING TO BE FILLED BEFORE YOU. THIS EVENING IS A BALLOT FOR YOU TO CAST VOTES. SORRY TO CAST A VOTE FOR A MEMBER OF THE. BOARD FOR TCAT. UNLIKE KAUFMAN COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT, WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN BRIEF BIOS FOR EACH OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED. YOU WILL BE CASTING. SO AFTER THE SEVEN POSITIONS ARE FILLED, THE NEXT HIGHEST LOW CONSUMPTION CANDIDATE WILL BE PLACED ON THE UNEXPIRED TERM. SO YOU WE'RE ASKING YOU THIS EVENING TO CAST A VOTE FOR THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR TCAT. IS THERE A RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU HAVE HERE? I SENT MY MY SUGGESTIONS TO DAWN. DID I SEND YOU AN EMAIL? I DIDN'T HIT SEND, DID I? TECHNOLOGY. I DO HAVE SEVEN. I HAVE EIGHT NAMES THAT I HAVE RECOMMENDED BASED ON. WHAT I READ. DO I SAY THAT NOW? WELL, ARE WE JUST PICKING ONE OR HOW MANY? NO, YOU'RE PICKING EIGHT. YOU'RE VOTING FOR EIGHT INDIVIDUALS. MAKE, MAKE AMEND A MOTION. OH, MAKE A MOTION. YEAH I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SELECT COURTNEY ALVAREZ OF KINGSVILLE, NICOLE GAGNE OF DEER PARK, CESAR GARCIA OF KEMAH. OMAR WILLIAMS OF FATE, ISAAC TAWIL OF MCALLEN. DEWEY STOFFELS OF GRAPEVINE, JACE BERRYMAN OF WILLMAR, AND BRADY OLSON OF BEDFORD. ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMAN, THAT'S A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? I MEAN, DO YOU KNOW ANY OF SECOND? YEAH, WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM DONNA RENEE ANDERSON, OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. DISTRICT TWO, A SECOND FROM STEPHANIE HOLMES THOMAS, DISTRICT FOUR, TO APPOINT EIGHT MEMBERS TO THE TCA BOARD. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? LET IT BE KNOWN BY STATING YES. JUST BASED ON YOUR RESEARCH AND THE INFORMATION WE GAVE. THAT'S HOW YOU PICK THOSE EIGHT. I'M JUST CURIOUS. IT'S NOT. YES. YES. OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ANYONE ELSE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'VE READ ABOUT. I'M ON THE LIST. OKAY? I THINK I TRUST THE COUNCILWOMAN'S JUDGMENT HERE I AM TOO, I DO TOO. THANK YOU FOR DOING THE WORK. SO THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING? NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? LET IT BE KNOWN BY

[8. CONSENT AGENDA]

[9. INFORMATION REPORTS]

ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO WISH EVERYBODY A MERRY CHRISTMAS, AND WE WILL SEE YOU

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